2015 Offseason To-Dos
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miltonap
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We need shooters and a rim protector. Draft WCS, get Middleton, trade Gay for system guys who can play D and shoot the three. High IQ players. Keep developing Nik. Keep developing Ben. Develop Moreland. Get Cousins to cool his emotions (Karl's job). Perhaps target a competent backup center
Collison/Miller/Ray Mac
Ben Mac/Stauskas
Middleton/3 and D/D Will or Casspi
WCS/Moreland
Cousins/JT or competent backup
Collison/Miller/Ray Mac
Ben Mac/Stauskas
Middleton/3 and D/D Will or Casspi
WCS/Moreland
Cousins/JT or competent backup
K
KingMilz
Guest
Even though he's coming off a knee injury next year (not sure when he will be back) I would LOVE if we got Kendall Marshall (who is probably the closest thing to a poor man's Miller clone) to be the back up PG. He has elite court vision and possess a lot of the skills Miller (crazy outlet passes, nice half court passing) has (he doesn't get into the lane as well), with the Bucks he was posting up and playing super solid as he was for the Lakers. He's also really improved his shot after seeing what Dre when he's playing well does for the "scrubs" on the team I think Marshall could do the same plus he's obviously younger and can still somewhat get better.
We badly need a PG who is a good play-maker and I'm just not sure Miller could do it next season as in this season in a lot of the games he starts off well in his first stint that fatigues and plays like crap in his 2nd stint in the game.
The last two seasons he's shot 39% from 3 point land as well.
We badly need a PG who is a good play-maker and I'm just not sure Miller could do it next season as in this season in a lot of the games he starts off well in his first stint that fatigues and plays like crap in his 2nd stint in the game.
The last two seasons he's shot 39% from 3 point land as well.
9x1x6
Bench
Ray would probably get moved to the Dleague at that point.
9x1x6
Bench
8pts/9asts pergame last year, 40% from three. Also got his FT% up from 53% last year to 89% before he tore his ACL this season.
ACL tear was in January, so he will not be ready to go, when training camp starts. And his relative success this season is still spread only over 420 minutes. Not really attached to Ray, but Marshall, coming off of injury, is not clearly ahead of him: 420 minutes of post-ASG Ray is (per 36 minutes) 14points on .522TS%, 4 rebounds, 6 assists on 2.7 A/TO ratio.
Gary
All-Star
1. Get rid of McLemore via trade, or move him to the bench
2. Get a PF that can block a shot or two and give us a good 25-30 mins a game then move JT to the bench or trade him.
3. Total makeover of the bench keeping only veterans that have proven they could win AND KNOW THEIR ROLES.
2. Get a PF that can block a shot or two and give us a good 25-30 mins a game then move JT to the bench or trade him.
3. Total makeover of the bench keeping only veterans that have proven they could win AND KNOW THEIR ROLES.
Gary
All-Star
Marshall > McCallum by a mile.. But if we keep Miller here next year then I would like to see what we can do with Collison for the whole year starting with a guy like Miller backing him up. No need to change anything there.
9x1x6
Bench
Well if your gonna use per 36 to compare to per game stats...ok
Kendall jumps up to 10 pts/11asts per36, 3 for 1 AtTO.
Also has alot more upside, even with an ACL tear, then Ray.
I'm not arguing, that Ray is a superior offensive player. I also don't want this team to rely on Ray as a backup PG next season. I just don't see Marshall as being a superior player, given that there's two sides of the floor, and he just plain sucks at one of them.
captain bill
All-Star
Point guard should be a very low priority, outside of maybe looking for a backup. Collison fits very well with our current squad, and is also by all accounts a great locker room presence and leader.
What was the last team relying on an all-star point guard to make noise in the playoffs? Iverson in the worst Eastern Conference in memory? Suns with Steve Nash (who could never make it over the hump)? Best PG is obviously Paul right now, and even with that stacked roster they haven't been able to go very far. I think size and individual performances tend to win out in deep playoff runs, all else being equal, making a traditional PG less of a priority.
DC fits the mold for what a playoff PG is - does a lot of things well, helps the team keep composure, generally let's the stars do work, and can step into a bigger role when called upon to do so.
What was the last team relying on an all-star point guard to make noise in the playoffs? Iverson in the worst Eastern Conference in memory? Suns with Steve Nash (who could never make it over the hump)? Best PG is obviously Paul right now, and even with that stacked roster they haven't been able to go very far. I think size and individual performances tend to win out in deep playoff runs, all else being equal, making a traditional PG less of a priority.
DC fits the mold for what a playoff PG is - does a lot of things well, helps the team keep composure, generally let's the stars do work, and can step into a bigger role when called upon to do so.
SwishKing
G-League
Tony Parker?
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I totally agree with you. For one thing, Marshall is the type of PG that has to have the ball in his hands to be effective. Not that I don't like Marshall, I just don't see him as, number one, a need, and number two, a good fit. Karl is the coach. Karl likes a PG that can get the ball up the court quickly, and get the team into it's offensive set quickly. Collison fits that description perfectly. I definitely think that Miller will be resigned for next season, and it wouldn't surprise me to see Karl hire him as an assistant coach once Miller retires. That would move McCallum back to the 3rd spot in the pecking order and give him another year to learn the position. We have a giant hole at backup center, and a giant hole at PF. Why the hell are talking about PG's when it's not a position of great need?
captain bill
All-Star
Well you're right. I suppose what I'm saying isn't that it's bad to have a PG who plays at an all-star level, but that it's not the best idea to look for a superstar at the PG position.
I'd also say that Parker's role is one that is NOT ball dominant, like Paul, Nash, or Iverson, despite Parker's ability to take over games.
I may just be misunderstanding why people are asking for a new PG. If we could get Tony Parker 2.0, I'd obviously take it. But I would also take adding 2-3 rotation players who can shoot, play D, and have plenty of size before I'd give up on DC for a pass-first facilitator, since I think our offense will function best when it moves heavily through the front court.
I caught a bit of Grant's show yesterday (I think it was yesterday) as I was leaving work and he was talking about the possibility of trading DeMarcus Cousins and about what a huge, mega, super important summer this was for the Kings. That the team needed a major shake up etc etc. And I had to laugh.
Last summer was supposedly a huge, mega, super important summer for the Kings.
And we drafted Stauskas, signed Collison, let Thomas walk, signed Casspi, Sessions and Moreland, traded Quincy Acy and Travis Outlaw to the Knicks for Wayne Ellington and Jeremy Tyler and traded Jason Terry and two future 2nd round picks for Alonzo Gee and Scotty Hopson.
I wasn't fully on board with the Nik pick and I wish the Kings didn't give away 2nd rounders like party favors, especially just to gift Jason Terry to Houston but otherwise I don't really have any issues with any of those moves. In fact I liked swapping Collison for Thomas and bringing Omri back but I didn't expect them to pay dividends to the degree they have. But really none of them were big moves. What evidence is there that this summer will be any different? The Kings don't have the ammunition (picks, cap room, talent) to pull off big trades. Unlike the Petrie years we hear that the Kings are in the mix for pretty much any possible rumor and yet have not landed any of those players outside of Gay who Toronto was offering at firesale prices. My takeaway from that (reinforced by what PDA said that morning at 1140) is that D'Alessandro thinks he has more talent on this roster than he does and makes trade offers that overvalue his assets which is why the Kings haven't pulled off a big trade and why they are nearly at the luxury tax threshold despite being a 25 win team.
Absolutely I'd love to see a "big" summer that revamps this team. But I'm not holding my breath.
Last summer was supposedly a huge, mega, super important summer for the Kings.
And we drafted Stauskas, signed Collison, let Thomas walk, signed Casspi, Sessions and Moreland, traded Quincy Acy and Travis Outlaw to the Knicks for Wayne Ellington and Jeremy Tyler and traded Jason Terry and two future 2nd round picks for Alonzo Gee and Scotty Hopson.
I wasn't fully on board with the Nik pick and I wish the Kings didn't give away 2nd rounders like party favors, especially just to gift Jason Terry to Houston but otherwise I don't really have any issues with any of those moves. In fact I liked swapping Collison for Thomas and bringing Omri back but I didn't expect them to pay dividends to the degree they have. But really none of them were big moves. What evidence is there that this summer will be any different? The Kings don't have the ammunition (picks, cap room, talent) to pull off big trades. Unlike the Petrie years we hear that the Kings are in the mix for pretty much any possible rumor and yet have not landed any of those players outside of Gay who Toronto was offering at firesale prices. My takeaway from that (reinforced by what PDA said that morning at 1140) is that D'Alessandro thinks he has more talent on this roster than he does and makes trade offers that overvalue his assets which is why the Kings haven't pulled off a big trade and why they are nearly at the luxury tax threshold despite being a 25 win team.
Absolutely I'd love to see a "big" summer that revamps this team. But I'm not holding my breath.
Larry David
Starter
I agree Funky. Unless we move up in to the top 3, they've got a decent pick they will probably try to move to get one piece and 8-9 million pf cap which could get you another impact piece but neither should land a guy that will save the day.
I think they will chase Rondo and offer him a 4 year max hoping that he's been so bad in Dallas that nobody else will do a 4 year max (I think at least one other team will be that dumb and Rondo will sign with that team).
Based upon what this team wants to become, what we value, and the Warriors needing to shed salary, I have the sinking feeling that we are going to make a 3+ team trade were we agree to take on the last year of David Lee's contract, with the player(s) we'd send out going to a third team with big cap space to rent (which we would spin off an asset to help facilitate). I hope I'm wrong on this one.
I get why fans want a better SG and we need one, but if your GM spends back to back top 8 lottery picks on shooting guards and then spends 8-9 million on a third shooting guard because neither of the guys he drafted can start ... he has to be fired at the press conference to announce the signing of the shooting guard.
I think they will chase Rondo and offer him a 4 year max hoping that he's been so bad in Dallas that nobody else will do a 4 year max (I think at least one other team will be that dumb and Rondo will sign with that team).
Based upon what this team wants to become, what we value, and the Warriors needing to shed salary, I have the sinking feeling that we are going to make a 3+ team trade were we agree to take on the last year of David Lee's contract, with the player(s) we'd send out going to a third team with big cap space to rent (which we would spin off an asset to help facilitate). I hope I'm wrong on this one.
I get why fans want a better SG and we need one, but if your GM spends back to back top 8 lottery picks on shooting guards and then spends 8-9 million on a third shooting guard because neither of the guys he drafted can start ... he has to be fired at the press conference to announce the signing of the shooting guard.
Rondo on a max deal? F no. Barely defends any more and is such an offensive liability that it neuters some of his playmaking ability.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Yeah, but that's the type of **** that when Grant says it, I wonder if there's any truth to that thinking behind the scenes. Grant does have insider knowledge and has given little hints here and there about what the team might do, then they later do it and he's talked about trading Cousins a few times now.
I can see the FO thinking they do need a huge shakeup this summer as it's the last season before the new arena and with the train wreck this season has been, on top of putting their eggs in the Karl basket who has yet to show he knows how to use Cuz or any dominant big, just have to wonder are they dumb enough to use Cuz to make the shakeup they're looking for.
You'd almost always say no, no FO and owner is that dumb.....but if there was one FO and owner who's proven they can do the unthinkable against all common sense, it's ours. And the corner they've pushed themselves into increases the risk of doing something drastic on a whim.
I agree. The fact that it would be stupid is what scares me. Get ready for cousins/JT for Lawson/faried/chandler.
One and Done
Bench
*drops mic*
Excellent post (and unfortunately) have to agree with you on all fronts here. Of course, a lot of us are holding out hope here, but it's going to take some serious creativity to turn our current set of assets into something that gets us better.
Nikolizzle
G-League
That's got a certain ring to it like a lot of the things said about Rudy Gay before we got him.
For the record, I disagree with a max deal for Rondo, but he's still worthy of a decent payday.
Second transaction requires more luck, than the first: at $40 million over 4 years, that Kings can offer, Bucks are matching instantly.
twslam07
All-Star
Agreed. They will probably even match a max offer considering the salary cap will go up drastically in a year. I think our best chance at signing a wing player might be Afflalo. Not sure Portland would be willing to resign both Matthews and Afflalo if both are offered decently big contracts.
Danny Green is another option and would probably be my second option after Middleton (Middleton, Green, Matthews, & Afflalo would be my order). However, I know a lot of the spurs success is based on Green and Leonard locking down the perimeter so I'm not sure how high they would be willing to pay to bring him back (or how much more we would have to offer him to lure him away). On the other hand, Leonard is up for a contract extension and they are rumored to be interested in Gasol so they might not have much to spend in order to keep him.
Regardless, I think Afflalo will have the least demand out of all of them making him easier for us to pursue. Not to mention he played 3 years under Karl, so perhaps that can work in our favor.
Well, Afflalo is meh at this point. He's not producing more than Ben. And for anyone pointing at McBen's inconsistency Afflalo's splits are just as up and down, might be even more. At least Ben can claim, he's a raw sophomore with his 3rd coach this season. And for next season I'm taking Ben's defense over Arron's. The only clear upgrade is Danny Green and maybe Carroll, but he looks like a clear SF, whenever I see him, and might struggle with quicker guys, though he shares the floor with Kyle Korver, so, I assume, Kyle is always hidden on the opposing swingman with worse offense.
I worry afflalo is going to be Karl's version of Landry. A former player he is comfortable with that we'll overpay even though he isn't needed.
Hadlowe
Starter
My rule of thumb for Spurs players is DON'T. Popovich runs a tight ship, so you don't play unless you keep your personal issues squared away. Some people learn discipline this way and will take it away with them when they leave. Some people put up with it then go to hell when they are out from under the disciplinarian's thumb. There is no guarantee that you get the former and not the latter, especially with a guy like Green who couldn't stick in the league until landing with the Spurs. If you can get Green for MLE money, great. If not, be wary of the deal.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
no kidding. we are headed the way of cleveland's 1st lebron go around. they ended up wasting capspace, accumulated worthless players just to appease him. only for him to see that they weren't going anywhere, no assets and capped the F out. what happened? the infamous words.. i'm taking my talents to south beach be aches *deuces*!!!!!
