Darth Divac
Bench
I like Aminu better than Korver. Sure, Korver can shoot. So can Patty Mills.
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DesertFox
Starter
There's about a 7 inch and 30 pound difference there.
Aminu is certainly younger and a better defender. With Pat at the 4 Aminu might work here at SF, but only if Reke continues to improve his 3.
I'd definitely take Korver at what will be a lesser commitment, and develop a younger player behind him. Singing Aminu means he is the guy at the 3, and he doesn't match well enough for that.
Darth Divac
Bench
Players I would add:
PG: Jarret Jack, Jose Calderon, Will Bynum
SG: Leandro Barbosa
SF: Al-Farouq Aminu
PF: Emeka Okafor, Samuel Dalembert
C: none (Cole Aldrich and DMFC sounds like a good c rotation to me)
Players to get rid of: Amnesty John Salmons , trade Chuck Hayes and Jason Thompson (really hate having to type that last one, but it's gotta be done.)
Draft: (Trade down with Jazz, 14th and 20th picks) SF Jamaal Franklin, PF/C Gorgui Dieng
PG: Jarret Jack, Jose Calderon, Will Bynum
SG: Leandro Barbosa
SF: Al-Farouq Aminu
PF: Emeka Okafor, Samuel Dalembert
C: none (Cole Aldrich and DMFC sounds like a good c rotation to me)
Players to get rid of: Amnesty John Salmons , trade Chuck Hayes and Jason Thompson (really hate having to type that last one, but it's gotta be done.)
Draft: (Trade down with Jazz, 14th and 20th picks) SF Jamaal Franklin, PF/C Gorgui Dieng
Darth Divac
Bench
Those are some excellent points. But if Korver is our best option at the 3, then we may as well pack it in right now.
KingsFanGER
Starter
What do you guys think about trying to sign O.J. Mayo? He can handle the ball like a PG, create his own shot or create for his teammates and is a really good 3-point-shooter. Would Mayo be able to play alongside Evans in the Kings Backcourt, if the Kings focus on drafting a SF or a PF?
2 Combo-guards with a strong NBA-body, able to get to the rim and to hit the outside jumper consistently sounds like a idea to think about, especially because Evans doesnt seem like the ideal SG for me. He seems to be more of a PG/SG mixture, so why dont we take advantage of his unique skillset and surround him with another Combo-Guard instead of focusing on the classic PG?
2 Combo-guards with a strong NBA-body, able to get to the rim and to hit the outside jumper consistently sounds like a idea to think about, especially because Evans doesnt seem like the ideal SG for me. He seems to be more of a PG/SG mixture, so why dont we take advantage of his unique skillset and surround him with another Combo-Guard instead of focusing on the classic PG?
KingsCitizen
Starter
The only thing that would make me happy with Mayo on this team is that DMC can punch O.J.'s balls all the time in practice and not get a technical.
Darth Divac
Bench
I agree. Let Minnesota have him, he'd fit like heaven there.
DesertFox
Starter
Overpaying for 2nd tier players is what sinks teams. OJ Mayo IS a decent fit, but he is looking for a long term deal. His current short-term deal is perfect, but in that case he would sign with a contender.
Mayo is right at that age where someone might think he can take the next step, when in reality he needs to settle into role player status, as your 4th or 5th best player.
For example, as fair as the MT and JT deals were, they are never going to be great bargains, and require the Kings to hit big with their next pick/signing.
Mayo is right at that age where someone might think he can take the next step, when in reality he needs to settle into role player status, as your 4th or 5th best player.
For example, as fair as the MT and JT deals were, they are never going to be great bargains, and require the Kings to hit big with their next pick/signing.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Korver is 6'7", and Mills isn't. As a matter of fact, I like Patty Mills, but thats beside the point. Aminu is an inconsistent shooter, and thats part of my point. Korver is deadly from the outside. Teams have to respect that, and he'll help spread the floor, which will help open up the middle for Tyreke and Cuz. But more than that, Korver is an experienced wiley veteran that knows how to play the game. One of our biggest problems is that were too dammed young, and Aminu won't help that, but will add to it. We need some veteran players like Korver.
Darth Divac
Bench
Don't like his attitude. Too arrogant. Toney Douglas would be better.
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Agent23
Starter
Whats wrong with his attitude? He's one of the best perimeter defenders in the league and he's proven to understand his role on a championship team. Norris Cole can barely get any playing time because of Chalmers.
Darth Divac
Bench
What do you guys think about going after Tiago Splitter?
upinsmoke
All-Star
Would you care to expand on your comment? Is it because you feel he is arrogant ect ect.
Sac.1989
Starter
Dwight howard here we come. Seriously with our potential cap space, we could make a serious play at CP3 & Dwight howard. It is a pipedream but if we can sell them on a new start with a great up and coming team we have a chance. If not one or the other isn't a bad way to make waves
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Mass
Starter
Of course I would love to get Paul, Dwight, Iggy or even Josh Smith, but if I have to think about some realistic names I would like to see in a Kings jersey next year, these are my picks:
- Jerret Jack: I think I read somewhere he's not so sure to stay with the Warriors. I think he would be a great fit next to Reke. Good ball handler, but he can also play off the ball. Tough, good defender, he's a veteran and he has some leadership. He can hit the 3 and he is proving to be able to play well without being the first, second or third option. He can also guard some 2s, so he would be able to play with Jimmer or IT.
- Kyle Korver: already been discussed here, so no reason to explain why. Great shooter, good defender, veteran, playoff experience. In my best scenario he would come off the bench replacing our starting SF we get from Thornton and/or JT.
- Sammy Dalembert: he can play with DMC, when he was here our defense looked decent, and we were one of the best rebounding team in the league. He's the shot blocking presence this team desperately needs.
- Nazr Mohammed: I'm pretty sure he's not interested in a rebuilding project and he will sign with a contender, but he would be a great presence in the locker room, and he's also proving to be able to help the team on the court when he's needed. His presence wouldn't hurt.
Then, of course, we need to re-sign Tyreke, and maybe even Aldrich to fill the bench. I like Toney, but we already have Jimmer and IT, so if we go after a starting PG, there's no room for him. Amnesty Salmons, or keep him as a backup for Reke (10/12 mins per game). Trade Hayes for anything you can get, a 2nd rounder would be ok. I just don't see any reason to keep him, considering the money he demands. Sure he could be a great low post defender, but I'm not willing to spend so much for a 4th big. Finally, like I said, trade Thornton and JT for a starting SF. I would want to keep JT, but if we want a shot blocker we need to make a decision between him and Patterson. Right now I would go with Patterson because he looks like a role player with higher IQ, and could give us different options on the floor with his shooting. What can we get for MT and JT? I don't know... Jeff Green? Maybe Boston goes in full rebuilding mode and can use two players like MT and JT, maybe with a pick. It's the only reasonable name I can think about right now.
So, in this scenario we would go into next season with this roster:
Jack - Evans - Green - Cousins - Dalembert
Thomas - Salmons - Korver - Patterson - Mohammed
Fredette - Outlaw - Aldrich
Then we have 2 rookies, and we could go with long term project. Maybe Len. In this case we don't need to keep Aldrich. We would have a 13/14 players roster (it depends if we amnesty Salmons) and with a good coach it doesn't look too bad to me. I can see playoff potential here. And reaching the post season in year 1 of the new era, would be good enough for me.
- Jerret Jack: I think I read somewhere he's not so sure to stay with the Warriors. I think he would be a great fit next to Reke. Good ball handler, but he can also play off the ball. Tough, good defender, he's a veteran and he has some leadership. He can hit the 3 and he is proving to be able to play well without being the first, second or third option. He can also guard some 2s, so he would be able to play with Jimmer or IT.
- Kyle Korver: already been discussed here, so no reason to explain why. Great shooter, good defender, veteran, playoff experience. In my best scenario he would come off the bench replacing our starting SF we get from Thornton and/or JT.
- Sammy Dalembert: he can play with DMC, when he was here our defense looked decent, and we were one of the best rebounding team in the league. He's the shot blocking presence this team desperately needs.
- Nazr Mohammed: I'm pretty sure he's not interested in a rebuilding project and he will sign with a contender, but he would be a great presence in the locker room, and he's also proving to be able to help the team on the court when he's needed. His presence wouldn't hurt.
Then, of course, we need to re-sign Tyreke, and maybe even Aldrich to fill the bench. I like Toney, but we already have Jimmer and IT, so if we go after a starting PG, there's no room for him. Amnesty Salmons, or keep him as a backup for Reke (10/12 mins per game). Trade Hayes for anything you can get, a 2nd rounder would be ok. I just don't see any reason to keep him, considering the money he demands. Sure he could be a great low post defender, but I'm not willing to spend so much for a 4th big. Finally, like I said, trade Thornton and JT for a starting SF. I would want to keep JT, but if we want a shot blocker we need to make a decision between him and Patterson. Right now I would go with Patterson because he looks like a role player with higher IQ, and could give us different options on the floor with his shooting. What can we get for MT and JT? I don't know... Jeff Green? Maybe Boston goes in full rebuilding mode and can use two players like MT and JT, maybe with a pick. It's the only reasonable name I can think about right now.
So, in this scenario we would go into next season with this roster:
Jack - Evans - Green - Cousins - Dalembert
Thomas - Salmons - Korver - Patterson - Mohammed
Fredette - Outlaw - Aldrich
Then we have 2 rookies, and we could go with long term project. Maybe Len. In this case we don't need to keep Aldrich. We would have a 13/14 players roster (it depends if we amnesty Salmons) and with a good coach it doesn't look too bad to me. I can see playoff potential here. And reaching the post season in year 1 of the new era, would be good enough for me.
Section 101
All-Star
So if we could sign CP3, but it meant losing Evans what would you do?
To begin with I don't see why we would lose Evans, but it depends what we do with our other guards. You lose Evans and you end up with not a single decent SG defender. If we sign Paul we need to get rid of Jimmer or IT, and whichever of the two is left will have to accept a much smaller role (at least in IT's case). I would much rather resign Evans and get rid of Thornton.
Splitter is hardly a playoff veteran. And I'm pretty sure he'll opt to stay with the Spurs. I also think that he will not be as valuable without Tim Duncan on the floor. Simply put, Splitter has shown that he excels in the Spurs system. You take him out of it and you don't have a good idea of what kind of player you're getting.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
David West, Al Jefferson, or Paul Millsap on the front line with DeMarcus would be great.
dont see anyone intriguing to fill our Small Forward void. gonna have to make a trade for that one
dont see anyone intriguing to fill our Small Forward void. gonna have to make a trade for that one
ParniValjak
All-Star
Substitute Splitter with a defensive minded rebounder and shot blocker and I agree. Dalembert would fit nicely
But I suspect Dalembert will sign with Miami Heat for very little money!
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
actually all 3 of those guys would be wasted as they are all offensive players and not defenders.
Its the same thing as pairing an offensive player with Reke in the backcourt. Cousins and those guys both make their primary contributions on offense, and from the same parts of the floor. If you play them together, then one or the other or both is not going to be getting the shots he need to make the contribution he normally makes. And since none of them, Cousins included, has an impact on defense, its not like the Duncan/Admiral pairing where they could both make huge contributions in other areas. One of the reasons that defense > offense is because defensive players are ALWAYS useful, whereas offensive players are only useful if they get to be the guy who gets the ball.
Cousins should be ready now, with a serious coach, to come out next season and be that 20+ppg center the league needs. So its incumbent upon us to get him the guy that 20ppg center has always had next to him. We need to find him his Oakley, Haslem, PJ Brown, Horace Grant etc. Except of course his guy needs to block shots like Nance or Dale Davis.
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Mass
Starter
If this was the case, I'd go with Paul and thank you very much Tyreke. Chris Paul is the best PG in the league right now, you can't pass on him. Get him and Tony Allen, and our backcourt is set for years. Very little chances this happens though...
jalfa
Starter
already discussed elsewhere, but whatever: Green might be the perfect player for our team. however, the emphasis is on 'might'. he's had a strong 2 months to close out the season, but the sample size is too small and everything he has put up before indicates it might be a fluke. still intriguing, due to the circumstances in which it happened, but not quite worth throwing a high lottery pick (we can only use this year's pick and only after we've already drafted someone with it) at the Celtics. the other side of it is that if the Celtics go into rebuild mode Rondo and Green are the two guys they are going to hang on to for dear life. so it'll be very difficult to pry them away and the package you suggest, while already to steep for us, might be too little for them.
apart from that, the names you mention are pretty much the ones I'd have in mind as well, with the possible exception of Mohammed. that spot shouldn't matter too much, since DMC is hopefully going to eat most minutes anyway and a three man rotation with Cuz, JT/Patterson from the bench and another defensive PF/C (yet to be acquired) shouldn't yield too many minutes for a fourth guy anyway. maybe Cole should just get that shot.
Big Al and Cuz on the same team would make for one of the most horrible defensive frontlines in the history of the NBA, seriously. Cuz is already pretty bad, but Jefferson is an absolute disaster, the guy has yet to start on a team that's even average on defense and that's what the Kings really need to focus on.
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Darth Divac
Bench
Paul Millsap, though.....(David West has already stated he's resigning with Indy) I think that a Paul Millsap would be just the splashy signing that we need to show that this new orginization is the real deal. Not only that, but he's a PERFECT fit for this team: Shotblocking, defensive PF who hustles and gets rebounds. If we amnesty or trade Salmons, and trade Thornton and Chuck, that'll leave us with roughly 30M in cap space. We can fit Millsap and Reke in that figure, and, if we move another bad contract (JT, Outlaw) we should have enough to extend Cousins the following year.
kingjatt
Starter
I dont think this is the year to make a big splash in free agency, one thing this team needs badly is floor spacing for reke and cuz to operate, i think a serviceable SF like korver who is a knockdown shooter would fit perfectly into the 3 spot with Ppat at the 4, that way, at times, you have reke, cuz and 3 3 point shooters that defenses must respect.
Mass
Starter
Well, I wouldn't call a 6-8 PF who averages 1.0 BPG in his career a perfect fit for this team and a shotblocking presence. And if you look at his PER36 stats, you can see he's actually a worst rebounder than JT. The fact is he's another undersized, below the rim PF. Sure he is a great player, but I don't think he is what this team needs. We need a big guy in the paint who can protect the rim and doesn't demands too many shots. Remember Dalembert a couple of years ago? Something like that (even if Dally was shooting too much). Defense, rebounding, shotblocking. That's all I want from a big to play with Cuz.
Millsap needs his shots, and we already have enough players who need their shots.
I don't even think JT is on a bad contract, actually I think he is on a great contract. Big men cost a lot on the market, JT gets 5/6 millions, and that's cheap. I believe Millsap will get more than 10.
Millsap needs his shots, and we already have enough players who need their shots.
I don't even think JT is on a bad contract, actually I think he is on a great contract. Big men cost a lot on the market, JT gets 5/6 millions, and that's cheap. I believe Millsap will get more than 10.
I don't know the stats, but I have never in my life have "Shotblocking" and "Defensive PF" come to my mind when someone mentioned Paul Millsap. Hustle and rebounding yes, but if that was all we were after we could have kept Thomas Robinson.
