2006 Sacramento Kings Roster

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For convenience, here's the roster as it stands right now. I'll try and keep it updated.

Name................. # .....Pos ....Ht ....Wt ....DOB ...........Col
Mike Bibby ..........10 .....G .....6-2 ...190 ..5/13/1978 ....Arizona
John Salmons ......15 .....G .....6-8 ...207 ..12/12/1979 ..Miami-Florida
Vitaly Potapenko ..20 .....C .....6-10 .285 ..3/21/1975 ...Wright State
Louis Amundson ...22 ....SF .....6-9 ..225 ..12/7/1982 ...U-N-L-V
Kevin Martin ........23 .....F .....6-7 ...185 ..2/1/1983 ..Western Carolina
Shareef Abdur-Rahim ..3 ..C ....6-9 ...245 ..12/11/1976 ..California
Justin Williams .....30 ....PF .....6-10 ..225 ..05/12/1984 ..Wyoming
Francisco Garcia ..32 .....F .....6-7 ...195 ..12/31/1981 ...Louisville
Loren Woods .......33 .....C .....7-1 ...260 ..6/21/1978 ....Arizona
Corliss Williamson .34 .....F .....6-7 ...245 ..12/4/1973 .....Arkansas
Jason Hart ...........5 .....G .....6-3 ...185 ..4/29/1978 .....Syracuse
Brad Miller ...........52 ....C .....7-0 ...261 ..4/12/1976 .....Purdue
Ronnie Price .........7 .....G .....6-2 ...190 ..6/21/1983 .....Utah Valley St.
Quincy Douby .......8 ....SG ....6-3 ...175 ..05/16/1984 ...Rutgers
Kenny Thomas ......9 .....F .....6-7 ...245 ..7/25/1977 ....New Mexico
Ron Artest ..........93 .....F .....6-7 ...260 ..11/13/1979 ...St. John`s
Maurice Taylor .....24 .....F .....6-9 ...265 ..10/30/1976 ...Michigan
 
He is not guaranteed a spot on the final roster. If he is cut only a portion, granted a large portion, of his salary is guaranteed. I believe it is around $600K that is guaranteed. I'm not sure what the cut off date is for his contract becoming fully guaranteed.
 
Forget Woods,

Why did Petrie have to give Taylor a guaranteed contract?

At least Woods brings something of what we need, rebounding and shot blocking.

Taylor is a guy who USED to have a good offensive game, but recently has been waived by the Knicks....Petrie needs to realize we got cheap and young prospects on the roster and stop signing scrubs.

I think he's trying to get himself fired cause the Kings are all about defense now and we all know he has that offense fetish.
 
Yes, but if they're expendable why get them in the first place? (I know, I know, parts for trades..)

I have a feeling one of the bigs (probably Justin) will make him regret his impulse signing of a player not even good enough to get pt on the knicks.
 
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The only reason I posted this was so people who had been asking things like who's still on the roster, how tall is so-and-so, etc. would have a reference.
 
gunks said:
Forget Woods,

Why did Petrie have to give Taylor a guaranteed contract?

At least Woods brings something of what we need, rebounding and shot blocking.

Taylor is a guy who USED to have a good offensive game, but recently has been waived by the Knicks....Petrie needs to realize we got cheap and young prospects on the roster and stop signing scrubs.

I think he's trying to get himself fired cause the Kings are all about defense now and we all know he has that offense fetish.
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i think petrie knows a lot more than you on the current status of a certain player
that would be the most ignorant statement i have ever heard
" I think he's trying to get himself fired cause the Kings are all about defense now and we all know he has that offense fetish."

please point me to the direction of our bench and show me who has offensive capability...someone who gives a spark off the bench
other than shareef of course

we can eat woods 600K and pretend that williams is making that portion because i have a really good feeling about this kid
he seems to have so much potential
 
I kind of understand Taylor. Its like this our offense right now is built around Brad Miller starting and able to hit outside shot. Now if we didn't have Taylor and Brad got hurt we would all of a sudden have no outside shot from the center position and no scoring at all unless you start SAR then you have no backup PF/C. So the aqisition of Taylor is to not havd to change the whole offensive scheme in case of a Miller injury.
 
Mo makes sense in two ways:

1) as a "just kind of had to do it" sort of way -- a formerly talented player unexpectedly hits the market for free, you grab him just to add to your talent pool; or

2) as some sort of insurance, maybe trade insurance, for the Kenny/Reef platoon, letting us clean that up by moving somebody and still have a veteran reserve behind the surviving guy.


But its just too many bodies. We've had that problem for the last few years. Just too many mediocre, midrange, add roughly zero wins to your total, bodies sitting around. We've become like a rest home for veteran mediocrity. Clogs you up. Blocks the roster out and deprives young guys of spots so 10 yr vets can waive towels.
 
Bricklayer said:
Mo makes sense in two ways:

1) as a "just kind of had to do it" sort of way -- a formerly talented player unexpectedly hits the market for free, you grab him just to add to your talent pool; or

2) as some sort of insurance, maybe trade insurance, for the Kenny/Reef platoon, letting us clean that up by moving somebody and still have a veteran reserve behind the surviving guy.


But its just too many bodies. We've had that problem for the last few years. Just too many mediocre, midrange, add roughly zero wins to your total, bodies sitting around. We've become like a rest home for veteran mediocrity. Clogs you up. Blocks the roster out and deprives young guys of spots so 10 yr vets can waive towels.
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Yeah, it looks like we are really adding to the veteran scrubs already on the team from last year in Hart, Potatoe, and Williamson. Corliss looked good in his 1st game and is in a contract year so he might be our Bonzi this year. He has the body to be a real basher and fighter around the basket.

I just really hope we keep the young guys, by waiving some older guys with contracts around $1M or so is not bad when a young will be signed for way less than this and be the future...this really offsets eating $1M or so, Hart is at 1.6M which would hurt, but Price is a good young, athletic guy that we don't have to pay much now. We are gettign very good utility in KMart and Cisco for what they bring and how little we pay them. I know this is only a 2-3 year deal before they make the big bucks, but all in all besides Bibby and Brad we don't have too many bad contracts that are costing us a lot each year, maybe K9 with having such a long contract but if him and SAR can coexist I'm fine with him and his new attitude with Muss.

Thanks for the current roster VF21!!! ;)
 
Bricklayer said:
Mo makes sense in two ways:

1) as a "just kind of had to do it" sort of way -- a formerly talented player unexpectedly hits the market for free, you grab him just to add to your talent pool; or

2) as some sort of insurance, maybe trade insurance, for the Kenny/Reef platoon, letting us clean that up by moving somebody and still have a veteran reserve behind the surviving guy.


But its just too many bodies. We've had that problem for the last few years. Just too many mediocre, midrange, add roughly zero wins to your total, bodies sitting around. We've become like a rest home for veteran mediocrity. Clogs you up. Blocks the roster out and deprives young guys of spots so 10 yr vets can waive towels.
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Just to play a lil devil's advocate...which (marginal) young guys have we had either on our roster or in a previous training camp (that we've lost between then and now) that has actually amounted to being even a ROTATIONAL player in the NBA.
 
Smills91 said:
Just to play a lil devil's advocate...which (marginal) young guys have we had either on our roster or in a previous training camp (that we've lost between then and now) that has actually amounted to being even a ROTATIONAL player in the NBA.
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That's always the rub with that level of kid, but depends how far you want to extend it. I would say Mo Evans for instance would qualify, although he wasn't a straight out of college kid technically. Gerald might qualify, as a late round kid who got squished behind our depth at the time, and is obviously now blossoming into a real force. Jerome James became a low level starter (now back to overpaid scrub). We'll see what happens to Matty Barnes -- had a strange career so far. You could even say Scot Pollard started out that way for us, and might never have had a shot to become an important piece if we had had a stack of useless Potapenkos and Taylors clogging the roster at the time.

But the point woould be more about the uselessness of having sucky vets filling out those spots. Don't play, eat up chunks of your cap, and aren't going to improve. I'll take a kid with a cheaper contract who only has a 1/10 chance of becoming a significant contributor over a useless vet chewing up the cap and wasting space every time UNLESS I am actually at a contending level and looking for a little low level injury insurance. It was ok running the ship that way back in the day, because 1 or 2 games could have been the difference between a title or not (also why title teams fade off eventualy -- get old, and have little chance to get good youth with top picks, and little time to develop those kids when they get them). But now when you are pseudo-rebuilding and hoping for a brighter tommorow, a bunch of middling pros in their mid to late careers aren't part of the future or the solution. Just about the reason to have them around is for their ending contracts.
 
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Gerald Wallace was a 1st round pick in no way do I consider him relevant in this instance(the expansion draft played a huge role there too)....Jerome James is GARBAGE he happened to have 1 week of basketball where he remembered he's 7'2. Mo Evans DID play here. Matt Barnes has YET to stick anywhere.

I'm referring to the Justin Williams, the Louis Amundson, the Ronnie Price's, the Mike Peplowski's, Jamal Sampson's, Jabari Smith's etc etc etc. All our young and marginal NBA players.

I guess we may be arguing different things. But I think Mo Taylor was a solid signing at the price and timing. I just don't see the value of adding a young kid who really doesn't have the talent to play much in the NBA. Do I hope the Kings keep Justin Williams....YES. Will I be heartbroken if they don't, NO. There are VERY few big men that go undrafted and become relevant in the NBA. Brad Miller and Ben Wallace are about the only two exceptions that come to mind lately.

I just wouldn't pick Amundson OR Williams over what Taylor can bring even if they are different skill sets. Taylor is just THAT much more talented even in the twilight of his career.
 
You are making assumptions that are not necessarily true that dictate your conclusion.

Yes, if Louis and Justin are scrubs of Peplowski caliber, then they will indeed be scrubs and never acheive rotation status. However the entire point of giving guys like that a shot is precisely that NOT all of them are scrubs of Peplowski level. Most, but not all. Furthermore, right here, now, today, both of those kids are better rebounders than Mo Taylor, Reef, Peplowski, Corliss, or Brad. Today. Likely Woods too (who is tall, but soft). Jusin is a better shotblocker than any of the above (and throw in Thomas as well), again with the possible exception of Woods. And so when you are talking about a team with terrible deficiencies in both those areas (rebounding/shotblocking) there is an obvious use for the kids even if they aren't that great in a way there might not be for yet another swingman for instance.
 
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Bricklayer said:
You are making assumptions that are not necessarily true that dictate your conclusion.

Yes, if Louis and Justin are scrubs of Peplowski caliber, then they will indeed be scrubs and never acheive rotation status. However the entire point of giving guys like that a shot is precisely that NOT all of them are scrubs of Peplowski level. Most, but not all. Furthermore, right here, now, today, both of those kids are better rebounders than Mo Taylor, Reef, Peplowski, Corliss, or Brad. Today. Likely Woods too (who is tall, but soft). Jusin is a better shotblocker than any of the above (and throw in Thomas as well), again with the possible exception of Woods. And so when you are talking about a team with terrible deficiencies in both those areas (rebounding/shotblocking) there is an obvious use for the kids even if they aren't that great in a way there might not be for yet another swingman for instance.
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I am not making assumptions...I'm just not using ALL young players to dictate things. I am using young marginally talented players(by NBA draft standards). Sampson, Jabari, Peoplowski, Amundson, Price and Williams were all roughly late 2nd rounders to undrafted free agents. Comparing them to a Gerald Wallace in this instance is absurd who gets a guaranteed contract.

For the record, I LIKE both Amundson and Williams and hope we find a way to keep both. But to say that we've kept crappy vets in place of the young kids for many years now is where I have issue. I totally disagree. In nearly EVERY instance, the better player is on the roster. Now I understand if Pot is on over JW or Amund then Pot styed for contractual reasons. A player that's been in the NBA for multiple seasons and produced at a decent level is usually better counting the odds against undrafted free agents and 2nd rounders.

My point is...WHICH MARGINALLY talented young player have we let out to dry in favor a washed up vet that has actually turned into anything in the NBA. I jsut have a hard time looking back and seeing this. In fact, when we have kept the young guys, they just rot on the bench for a season or two and then don't end up doing anything in the league aftewards(Sampson, Jabari, Garbageman etc).
Mo Evans is a poor example because he wasn't brought back for financial reasons not because he couldn't play. He DID play here. But the Kings couldn't afford him after signing Shareef. And I'd MUCH rather sign Shareef than Mo Evans.

Also they may be better rebounders, but they are NOT better all-around and complete basketball players and that is why they went undrafted. I'm not hating on them, I'm just being realistic. It takes BIGS YEARS to develop into effective players in the NBA usually. I just don't see the releveance of your statement when you said that we waste roster spots on washed up vets in favor of young promising players like Amundson and Williams. That's inaccurate.
 
Well again though, look at your grouping -- all MARGINALLY TALENTED players. There is your assumption. Once you come into the thing already having decided on their talent level, all your conclusions are inevitable. You're basically asking "which scrubs have ever been anything but scrubs". Well, that's pretty obvious.

I was merely opening it up to other guys who have come in relatively unheralded + fought for spots. Of all the people I mentioend, only Gerald had a guaranteed deal as a first roung pick, and he was barely first round -- 25th -- and unready to play out of the box.

P.S. As an aside, Gerald's year (2001) = what had to be just about the best end of the 1st rnd/early 2nd round set of draft picks in NBA history, no exaggeration. This is who was drafted from #25 on that year:

25 -- Gerald Wallace
26 -- Samuel Dalembert
27 -- Jamaal Tinsely
28 -- Tony Parker
29 -- Trenton Hassel
30 -- Gilbert Arenas

I mean, that's stronger than a lot of lottery runs in many years. And then there was also:

34 -- Brian Scalabrine
37 -- Mehmet Okur
39 -- Earl Watson
41 -- Bobby Simmons
52 -- Jarron Collins
 
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Smills91 said:
For the record, I LIKE both Amundson and Williams and hope we find a way to keep both. But to say that we've kept crappy vets in place of the young kids for many years now is where I have issue. I totally disagree. In nearly EVERY instance, the better player is on the roster. Now I understand if Pot is on over JW or Amund then Pot styed for contractual reasons. A player that's been in the NBA for multiple seasons and produced at a decent level is usually better counting the odds against undrafted free agents and 2nd rounders.
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From what standpoint? All around player? The last thing we need is a bunch of soft oldies that have a few post moves and can barely run the floor. Especially ones that aren't tough in the paint and can't rebound a lick, no matter what price you get them at.

We need rebounding and shotblocking. The only way to get rebounding and shotblocking and get someone who is offensively talented and experienced is to trade for them. No such vets were available/wanted to come to Sac.

I'm not saying that Amundson or Williams will be rotational players. For all we know there is a good chance they won't even make the team. But at least with the kids you are starting fresh. These kids can be taught basketball. The vets cannot be taught youth. Plus, we have plenty of offensive players to make up for any inadequicies. The best teams in NBA history have had depth and roleplayers with respect to every aspect of the game. Not just offense.
 
One guess might be they release Pot and Hart, eat that salary and put Douby and /or Williams on NBDL T-Birds. I think both make too much to just get a 2nd rounder in return and don't think either is worth anyones first rounder.
 
Bricklayer said:
You are making assumptions that are not necessarily true that dictate your conclusion.

Yes, if Louis and Justin are scrubs of Peplowski caliber, then they will indeed be scrubs and never acheive rotation status. However the entire point of giving guys like that a shot is precisely that NOT all of them are scrubs of Peplowski level. Most, but not all. Furthermore, right here, now, today, both of those kids are better rebounders than Mo Taylor, Reef, Peplowski, Corliss, or Brad. Today. Likely Woods too (who is tall, but soft). Jusin is a better shotblocker than any of the above (and throw in Thomas as well), again with the possible exception of Woods. And so when you are talking about a team with terrible deficiencies in both those areas (rebounding/shotblocking) there is an obvious use for the kids even if they aren't that great in a way there might not be for yet another swingman f
or instance.
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there not even close to sar or brad at rebounding, saying there better is ridiculous
 
Amundson and Williams are rookies. We don't know what they're going to do yet. They may know how to "throw their weight around" in college, but they're in the NBA now...maybe.
 
moradi420 said:
there not even close to sar or brad at rebounding, saying there better is ridiculous
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Wanna make a bet?

What always amazes me is that somehow there are people who will actually compare stats straight across with no regards to minutes. Hence a guy who grabs 8rebs in 40 is somehow a "better" rebounder than a guy who grabs 7 in 25.

If you played Justin Williams and Lousi Admunson the same number of minutes as Brad Miller and SAR, I almost guarantee you that they would outrebound the bigger name duo 3 times in 4. Better athletes, better hustlers, better noses for the ball. The question of course just being can they do anything else well enough to deserve those kinds of minutes.
 
Unless Amundson's FT% improves, I wouldn't want him on the court for 40 minutes.
 
how bout the fact that they were playing in a pre game aganst poor quality players, or the fact that brad miller likes to stand on the permiter a lot on offense, making it extremley unlikely that hell be able to get even a couple offensive boards. trust me im not comparing lines i know the differnece between getting a lot of stats in a lot of minutes and a fews stats in a few minutes, but ur calling these rooks better rebounders then a guy who averaged 10.3 in 72 games only starting 53 of them, and a guy whos averaged 9.
 
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