2006 Sacramento Kings Roster

[whozit]

If Williams makes the team, does anyone know what length his contract would be?

Admunson potentially has a three year deal with team options. With Williams, I think I have read inferences of a one year deal, but I'm not sure if those were made simply on assumptions.

I could see the length of the deals having an influence on what choices are made.

 

[whozit]

Unless Amundson's FT% improves, I wouldn't want him on the court for 40 minutes.

Just don't give him the ball.



Also ignore the fact it would be four against five on that side of the court.

 

[Bricklayer]

how bout the fact that they were playing in a pre game aganst poor quality players, or the fact that brad miller likes to stand on the permiter a lot on offense, making it extremley unlikely that hell be able to get even a couple offensive boards. trust me im not comparing lines i know the differnece between getting a lot of stats in a lot of minutes and a fews stats in a few minutes, but ur calling these rooks better rebounders then a guy who averaged 10.3 in 72 games only starting 53 of them, and a guy whos averaged 9.

I'm calling them better rebounders than a 7 foot guy who averaged a feminine 7.8 in 37 min last year, and a 6'9" guy who may actually have grown female genitalia while averaging 5 in 27min. Same kids BTW who even outrebounded our esteemed girly men upfront in that same preseason game.

There are TONS of guys out there who are better rebounders than our wusses. And tons of scrubs too. Almost every "scrub" has something or multiple somethings that he does well. Being a scrub does NOT mean you are worse at everything, just not good enough at enoguh things . Ha-Se-Jin (sp?) is a better shotblocker than Brad. Kevin Pittsnoggle a better 3pt shooter than SAR. Jaosn Maxiel a better rebounder than Ron. And Lousi Admundson and Justin Williams are better rebounders than Brad Miller and SAR. Indeed, given their apparent lack of other skills, and gfiven how pathetic Brad and SAR were last year on the glass (bottom 1/3 to bottom 1/4 of their positions) if the kids were not, they would never have even made it to camp. Its what they do. Its the whole reason (shotblocking too in Williams case) they are here.

 

[Bricklayer]

Just don't give him the ball.



Also ignore the fact it would be four against five on that side of the court.

These are not major issues if the guy is good enoguh at those other things. Big Ben obviously, but even Michael Ruffin or Eduardo Najera. The question obviously being are these kids that good at it? Being a poor man's Michael Ruffin pretty mcuh means you are not an NBA player.

 

[whozit]

These are not major issues if the guy is good enoguh at those other things. Big Ben obviously, but even Michael Ruffin or Eduardo Najera. The question obviously being are these kids that good at it? Being a poor man's Michael Ruffin pretty mcuh means you are not an NBA player.

That's a big question. So far, I've had to go by what others have said. Dish isn't showing the pre-season on league pass unless it's on NBAtv.

 

[BawLa]

Amundson and Williams are rookies. We don't know what they're going to do yet. They may know how to "throw their weight around" in college, but they're in the NBA now...maybe.

Understood, but throwing your weight around is throwing your weight around. I'd like to think that athletic ability and natural size/weight are the easiest things to transfer over into the NBA. Much easier than say, college-caliber post moves. Or a college-caliber jump hook.

It seems that you are saying they may not understand how to throw their weight around at an NBA level with effeciency. Or in other words they will foul themselves out if they don't understand how to do it right. It is likely that if even one of these kids make the team, that they will see limited minutes. With that said, who cares if they give out some hard fouls. In fact, I'd encourage it. That kind of play can frustrate even the best star players.

 

[gunks]

If Williams makes the team, does anyone know what length his contract would be?

Admunson potentially has a three year deal with team options. With Williams, I think I have read inferences of a one year deal, but I'm not sure if those were made simply on assumptions.

I could see the length of the deals having an influence on what choices are made.

I still dont get why these people were so much hotter on Amundson. Williams does everything he does but better (especially rebounding and shot blocking).

..Petrie is way bumming me out this offseason.

 

[VF21]

It seems that you are saying they may not understand how to throw their weight around at an NBA level with effeciency. Or in other words they will foul themselves out if they don't understand how to do it right.

I said all that????

No, what I meant was they're rookies. They aren't lottery picks. They're little fish in a very big pond. They try and bring their college attitude to the court and they may find themselves in a wee bit of a pickle. Guys like Ben Wallace won't be impressed. You can take that to the bank.

So, I guess what I'm saying is they may have certain skills but they have to prove their value in the NBA, if they stick around long enough to get the chance.

 

[moradi420]

I'm calling them better rebounders than a 7 foot guy who averaged a feminine 7.8 in 37 min last year, and a 6'9" guy who may actually have grown female genitalia while averaging 5 in 27min. Same kids BTW who even outrebounded our esteemed girly men upfront in that same preseason game.

There are TONS of guys out there who are better rebounders than our wusses. And tons of scrubs too. Almost every "scrub" has something or multiple somethings that he does well. Being a scrub does NOT mean you are worse at everything, just not good enough at enoguh things . Ha-Se-Jin (sp?) is a better shotblocker than Brad. Kevin Pittsnoggle a better 3pt shooter than SAR. Jaosn Maxiel a better rebounder than Ron. And Lousi Admundson and Justin Williams are better rebounders than Brad Miller and SAR. Indeed, given their apparent lack of other skills, and gfiven how pathetic Brad and SAR were last year on the glass (bottom 1/3 to bottom 1/4 of their positions) if the kids were not, they would never have even made it to camp. Its what they do. Its the whole reason (shotblocking too in Williams case) they are here.

really female genetalia, well then what kind of female gentelia does ben wallace grow when he misses all his free throws or what about cmaby when he misses half the season, i dont think u can say brad grew any female parts when in the last 2 years hes in the top amongst guys with triple doubles, hes easily a top 3 offensive center, so how much female gentalia did admundsun grow the other day when he missed his free throws?

 

[SacTownKid]

I'm calling them better rebounders than a 7 foot guy who averaged a feminine 7.8 in 37 min last year, and a 6'9" guy who may actually have grown female genitalia while averaging 5 in 27min. Same kids BTW who even outrebounded our esteemed girly men upfront in that same preseason game.

There are TONS of guys out there who are better rebounders than our wusses. And tons of scrubs too. Almost every "scrub" has something or multiple somethings that he does well. Being a scrub does NOT mean you are worse at everything, just not good enough at enoguh things . Ha-Se-Jin (sp?) is a better shotblocker than Brad. Kevin Pittsnoggle a better 3pt shooter than SAR. Jaosn Maxiel a better rebounder than Ron. And Lousi Admundson and Justin Williams are better rebounders than Brad Miller and SAR. Indeed, given their apparent lack of other skills, and gfiven how pathetic Brad and SAR were last year on the glass (bottom 1/3 to bottom 1/4 of their positions) if the kids were not, they would never have even made it to camp. Its what they do. Its the whole reason (shotblocking too in Williams case) they are here.

I think this post goes way overboard and far beyond trying to prove any point. Most posters would be banned for such comments.

 

[Bricklayer]

I think this post goes way overboard and far beyond trying to prove any point. Most posters would be banned for such comments.

Not by me, and you turned down your chance to make policy. Sorry if you are easily bruised. Feel free to mentally read in the word "mammaries" if you feel "female genitalia" is just too graphic.

 

[Bricklayer]

really female genetalia, well then what kind of female gentelia does ben wallace grow when he misses all his free throws or what about cmaby when he misses half the season, i dont think u can say brad grew any female parts when in the last 2 years hes in the top amongst guys with triple doubles, hes easily a top 3 offensive center, so how much female gentalia did admundsun grow the other day when he missed his free throws?

There is some tubby 5'6" 50 yr old in Iowa right now who can shoot FTs better than anybody currently on the Kings. Outside of hitting them in clutch situations its got roughly as much to do with toughness as does being able to hit a 9 iron or knit a mean throw rug.

 

[Kings113]

SAR I think will rebound better this season, even in his non-starter minutes. He wasn't at full strength or condition for the whole season sans two months. Bonzi was also a factor.

Thing is though, SAR isn't and hasn't been a stand-out rebounder for most of his career. People just have to accept that with the 6-7 RPG he'll get this season (like in Portland when he had non-starter minutes).

Williams/Amundson are both better leapers than SAR. They're the most athletic bigs on our roster right now next to KT. SAR is an average athlete, on a level or two below the aforementioned three. Simple as that. Tougher? I don't really think so, and if so, not by too much.

 

[Bricklayer]

Tougher? I don't really think so, and if so, not by too much.

SAR demonstrated some excellent toughness last year playing through the broken jaw. Unfortunately its toughness that has never really translated over onto the court. He's just not a fighter.

 

[Kings113]

Indeed about the jaw situation. But, that goes back to the aforementioned about SAR specifically, in my previous post.

So, we agree to disagree there.

 

[Bricklayer]

Indeed about the jaw situation. But, that goes back to the aforementioned about SAR specifically, in my previous post.

So, we agree to disagree there.

Perhaps the easiest thing to do is simply come up with another term to split off of toughness. SAR showed toughness with the jaw thing -- played through pain. But he's not a "battler" (new term). Some guys fight for every inch, chase after every ball, refuse to back down from anyone ever, try to block every shot, and will trade elbows with anyone anytime to win the battle down low. They are tough, physical warriors. SAR is as far from that mentality as you can get. SAR is like the pretty QB the cheerleaders fawn over. Williams and Admundson are the linemen in front of him doing all the grunt work that doesn't get the glory.

 

[BigSong]

Perhaps the easiest thing to do is simply come up with another term to split off of toughness. SAR showed toughness with the jaw thing -- played through pain. But he's not a "battler" (new term). Some guys fight for every inch, chase after every ball, refuse to back down from anyone ever, try to block every shot, and will trade elbows with anyone anytime to win the battle down low. They are tough, physical warriors. SAR is as far from that mentality as you can get. SAR is like the pretty QB the cheerleaders fawn over. Williams and Admundson are the linemen in front of him doing all the grunt work that doesn't get the glory.

still holding unto some issues from your high school football days arent ya.

 

[Bricklayer]

still holding unto some issues from your high school football days arent ya.

More going for the universal cultural reference -- in high school I was too far gone into machismo to worry about silly things like cheerleaders. I just liked to hit things.

SPEAKING of which though -- did anybody else catch the Raiders/Broncos game yesterday? I saw a piece of QB wussiness that was so over the top in that one that the only appropriate thing for the Raiders to do would have been to right there on the sideline force their QB to swap uniforms with one of the cheerleaders (hopefully on camera ) and send her into the game next possession while he waved cute little pompoms. Rather than take a hit, throw it away, etc. the bleeping wuss, faced with a big pass rush, took a sack with a giveup slide in his own backfield! I don't think I've ever seen that before. Am damn sure I don't ever want to see it again. And to think the Raiders used to be the toughest team in cleats.

P.S. sorry about the apparent edit BigSong, I accidentally hit the wrong button when trying to quote you

 

[GoGoGadget]

Rather than take a hit, throw it away, etc. the bleeping wuss, faced with a big pass rush, took a sack with a giveup slide in his own backfield!

As much as I would hate to so perfectly illustrate a female stereotype in a thread that already equates women with inherent weakness...



is that even English??

 

[Warhawk]

As much as I would hate to so perfectly illustrate a female stereotype in a thread that already equates women with inherent weakness...



is that even English??

Not necessarily grammatically correct, but yes, it's English.

 

[mcsluggo]

More going for the universal cultural reference -- in high school I was too far gone into machismo to worry about silly things like cheerleaders. I just liked to hit things.

clearly a different definition of "machismo" in your <uhm> neck of the woods.

not that there is a problem with that <uhm> lifestyle.

 

[quick dog]

As a QB I once sent an aggressive rusher to the hospital with cracked ribs. I guess that I was just to slow to get out of his way.

 

[Bricklayer]

clearly a different definition of "machismo" in your <uhm> neck of the woods.

not that there is a problem with that <uhm> lifestyle.

well, I was going to go for "testosterone poisoning" but got lazy.

 

[Kingsgurl]

Not by me, and you turned down your chance to make policy. Sorry if you are easily bruised. Feel free to mentally read in the word "mammaries" if you feel "female genitalia" is just too graphic.

"Mammaries" aren't any better. and being 'graphic' is hardly the issue, as you very well know. I think maybe you should bear in mind the fact that a large portion of posters here, myself included, of course, ARE female and really don't appreciate the childish inference that women are somehow 'less than' a man. Like it's the ultimate insult or something. It's demeaning.

 

[kennadog]

"Mammaries" aren't any better. and being 'graphic' is hardly the issue, as you very well know. I think maybe you should bear in mind the fact that a large portion of posters here, myself included, of course, ARE female and really don't appreciate the childish inference that women are somehow 'less than' a man. Like it's the ultimate insult or something. It's demeaning.

Ditto for me. I don't like to make a scene about it, but I find such remarks demeaning and insulting to an entire group of human beings. I have no idea why that's more acceptable than demeaning and insulting people of a certain race or religion.

 

[Prophetess]

I do have to say I think the point could have been made another way without equating being a women to being weak.

 

[GoGoGadget]

And here I thought the choice to equate weakness with something other than homosexuality was a refreshing change of pace.

 

[kennadog]

And here I thought the choice to equate weakness with something other than homosexuality was a refreshing change of pace.

Now you are messing with my other nerve.

 

[hoopsfan]

I'll pipe in and agree with Kingsgurl, kennadog and prophetess.

In case you've forgotten...the Monarchs are the only Sac. team to win a championship..and what teams won gold in the past olympics?? The women's softball, soccer and basketball teams. I don't think the men's baseball team even qualified, the soccer team was knocked out and we all know about the basketball team..who would certainly win a gold medal for arrogance and whining.

The comments were insulting and out of line IMHO.

 

[VF21]

"Mammaries" aren't any better. and being 'graphic' is hardly the issue, as you very well know. I think maybe you should bear in mind the fact that a large portion of posters here, myself included, of course, ARE female and really don't appreciate the childish inference that women are somehow 'less than' a man. Like it's the ultimate insult or something. It's demeaning.

That's my thought, too. We have a good number of people of both genders as productive members of this forum. It just seemed to me we could do without the comment that equates our gender with weakness, inadequacy or failure.