#1 pick

[RichieInRocklin]

I don't see anybody biting. Davis may not be a LeBron-type talent, but he's clearly the class of the draft. The higher our pick, the more likely it might happen, but the less likely we'd want to do it. I'd hold off until lotto slots are decided before thinking too hard about it.

IMHO, I'd disagree with you Capt'n. The higher our draft pick, the MORE we would want to take a shot with trading our pick and ?? for the #1 pick (Anthony Davis) as we'd have a more realistic shot at doing it. Can you imagine our front line with Davis and Boogie for the next 10-15 years? Just my humble opinion.

 

[upinsmoke]

While Davis and Cuz would be nice there is no need to break the bank for him, Cuz and JT are still okay together SF remains the #1 priority.

 

[Tetsujin]

IMHO, I'd disagree with you Capt'n. The higher our draft pick, the MORE we would want to take a shot with trading our pick and ?? for the #1 pick (Anthony Davis) as we'd have a more realistic shot at doing it. Can you imagine our front line with Davis and Boogie for the next 10-15 years? Just my humble opinion.

Depends on the team that winds up with number one though. If the Wizards wind up with the pick, I don't see them biting on an MT=pick package since the guard spots are the least of their worries. Charlotte is just talent hungry. Period, which could work in the favor of them accepting such a package. New Orleans is an interesting situation. If they get a new owner who wants to curry favor with the New Orleans public, they may be more apt to pick up a package of our pick plus the hometown hero (MT), especially if Eric Gordon winds up leaving them in free agency.

 

[spudfan]

It also would depend a lot on what pick we get.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

IMHO, I'd disagree with you Capt'n. The higher our draft pick, the MORE we would want to take a shot with trading our pick and ?? for the #1 pick (Anthony Davis) as we'd have a more realistic shot at doing it. Can you imagine our front line with Davis and Boogie for the next 10-15 years? Just my humble opinion.

I think you're conflating the idea that something is more likely to happen with the idea that we'd rather do it. Obviously we would much rather trade Thornton and the #8 pick for the #1 than trade Thornton and the #2 pick for the #1 pick.

 

[bajaden]

I take it nobody thinks that trading our #1 pick and Thornton for Davis makes any sense.

I think it depends on just where our number one pick is. For instance, if we end up with the 3rd pick in the draft, the answer would be no. I wouldn't trade Thornton to move up two spots. I still might try and make a trade, but with a different player.

 

[Rookie]

Reason, Henson will never be a superstar. Maybe never even a star.

Not that I have any knowledge of the guy but never say "never"

As for the thread...I hope the guy we pick can come in and help out right away. The last thing we need is another season to "developed" the rookies.

 

[Glenn]

I think it depends on just where our number one pick is. For instance, if we end up with the 3rd pick in the draft, the answer would be no. I wouldn't trade Thornton to move up two spots. I still might try and make a trade, but with a different player.

I don't project we will get the third pick. Given that the season gets easier from this point on, I suspect it will be around the 10th pick. It's an impossible trade to analyze and shouldn't have been posted.

 

[bajaden]

I don't project we will get the third pick. Given that the season gets easier from this point on, I suspect it will be around the 10th pick. It's an impossible trade to analyze and shouldn't have been posted.

No, I think the thread had merit, and there was some interesting discussion. Nothing wrong with that. I also think your right about our position in the draft. But I can always wish for a miracle, and its about time the Kings got one.

 

[Glenn]

No, I think the thread had merit, and there was some interesting discussion. Nothing wrong with that. I also think your right about our position in the draft. But I can always wish for a miracle, and its about time the Kings got one.

I could have stated it better and actually I assumed that we would end up in the 10th place. I didn't state that which left the whole thing a bit difficult to discuss as a trade.

My main purpose was to find out what people thought of trading Thornton because I really like the guy. A better way of stating the trade would be to say to assume we had the 10th pick. Is the 10th pick plus Thornton for Davis (another assumption) a valid deal? I don't think that works financially but that depends on who the trade partner is. Although this is horribly hypotheticaal, the discussion should expose the value of Davis and Thornton to this team knowing what we now know of them.

I actually think it gives no benefit to either trade partner so probably is a fair trade. We get one starter and the other team, who I assume sucks badly, gets two starters. The major difference is obvious. We would have a player we would want on our team for the next 15 years and the other team might end up with two players that might be traded someday in the future.

 

[Kingster]

Lets not forget about Thomas Robinson, who is Davis main competition for college player of the year. We could do a lot worse than him. He's an outstanding athlete, with comparisons to Blake Griffin. If he measures out at the 6'10" he's listed at, he would be very hard to pass on if Davis, Barnes and Drummond are gone. I'd take him over Henson at this point, and I like Henson quite a bit. Reason, Henson will never be a superstar. Maybe never even a star. Robinson has star written all over him, and maybe even superstar down the road.

Now if he measures out at 6'7", I retract everything I just said. As for Gilchrist, as most know, he's one of my favorite players, but I seriously doubt he'll go top 5. Too many other good big men in the draft, and that along with his poor outside shot will drop him down. Which could be a good thing for us if we end up picking somewhere between 7 and 12. He's probably the best defensive SF in the draft. Although Taylor is pretty damm good as well.

I'd take Robinson over Barnes and I haven't even seen Barnes play this year. Unless Barnes has transformed himself from last year I have no interest in him.

 

[Hadlowe]

In response to the original post, yes I would trade Thornton and our pick for Davis. Assuming IT keeps up his level of play, we have depth at the guard to be able to lose Thornton. Trading him would also free up cash to overpay Batum or Kirilenko AND resign Jason Thompson to be a rotation big-man.

Regarding Kidd-Gilchrist, I like the kid, but I think we either draft him straight-up or we give up something we wouldn't mind losing, like Hayes or Honeycutt. Anything more and we'd probably be better served by going for a next-best option in the draft.

 

[Uk kings fan]

stupid question i know but is there an nba scouting combine, if so what do they do (is it similar to the nfl one) and can you go to watch it (that applies to nfl or nba)??

 

[bajaden]

stupid question i know but is there an nba scouting combine, if so what do they do (is it similar to the nfl one) and can you go to watch it (that applies to nfl or nba)??

Yes, there's the NBA combine which is held before the draft, and usually carried on ESPN. Its very similar to the NFL combine in that they do similar tests, except of course when it comes to skill testing. But they measure heights, jumping ability, court speed, and lateral agility etc. The most interest is usually with the measurements. Its always disappointing when you find out that the player you like, listed at 6'10" is actually only 6'7".

 

[asakkings]

With a whole new arena thing finally happening maybe we'll actually get lucky for once in the lottery and move up.

 

[upinsmoke]

Yea real lucky just like Chicago got "lucky".

 

[MANoICE]

I noticed some people here asking about Mock Drafts. Here is a link the Hoop Doctors Mock Draft Database. They have 30 or 40 links to mock drafts. Some of these are just some over zealous fans and the drafts make no sense what-so-ever. But it is a pretty good collection. As usual for this time of year, they are all over the place as far as order.

http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/2009/02/mock-draft/

p.s. The updated date on the database is often incorrect. I am guess the staff who run the site don't check each site all that often. Also, some borderline work-safe adds and links in the sidebar and footer of the page. PG-13 stuff, not NC-17.

 

[Boogie-havoc]

AD would be a dream come true.

To call this kids shotblocking ability elite would be the insult of the century.. his ability to block shots without fouling is just phenomenal.. his instincts and feel of how njot to fall for pumpfakes and when to extend himself and go for the block is out of this world good, we're talking GOAT shotblocker potential type of good.

His only problem is his wieght. it's a major problem early on cause he'll get eaten alive in the NBA trying to boxout, continueing through contact, getting position etc.. but this kid got a wide frame and will fill up very nicely imo(look at his shoulders) - so I don't hold much regard to that... and on top of that this kid does not back down.. he will go head-on and take the beating if he has to, but he'll try and be there even if he looses out... thats speciel.

he's a massively underrated passer, and offensively he's so held back to show what he really got - that only if you really watch him game by game you could catch glimpses of his true talent popping out on broken plays etc.

His raw instincts and feel for the game, and his relentless work-ethic and effort on the court is just remarkable - and the fact that he managed to become such an absolutely dominating big-men in only 2 years time since he was a 6'2 PG back then - shows he's an amazingly quick learner that just wants to get better.

Again, the wieght is the only reason I can't see him atleast early on having the impact some might expect from him coming in - but over time that won't be a real issue.. this kid is just an amazing prospect.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

If AD isn't an option, and I don't think he will be ...

My guy is John Henson. I know I've said it before, but I still think he is just about perfect next to Cousins, and is averaging 3 blocks a game playing GOOD teams almost every night.

 

[bajaden]

If AD isn't an option, and I don't think he will be ...

My guy is John Henson. I know I've said it before, but I still think he is just about perfect next to Cousins, and is averaging 3 blocks a game playing GOOD teams almost every night.

Depends on where we're picking, and who else is on the board at the time. Sorry, but I'd take Thomas Robinson over Henson. But I do like Henson a lot.

 

[Boogie-havoc]

I think our realistic range will be 8th-9th in the draft - I honestly cannot see us in a position to draft either AD or T-Rob unless we pull a Chicago, Henson is a very good pick there and fits a need... i'd consider Terrence Ross too.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

i hope the kings throw away the rest of the season and play the rooks. aint going no where and surely pissing away a good opportunity at a better pick. we could be in that spencer hawes position missing on noah.

 

[twslam07]

As of now there are 3 teams that are a decent amount of games below our record (Charlotte, Washington, and New Orleans). Landing a top 5 pick is not out of the question. Obvioulsy the lower the pick the more value it would have if we try to trade up so we need as much help from the lottery as possible.

As for the trade, I would trade Thornton and our first for Davis. I would go as far as saying that I would do it for Drummond as well. Once these types of players (Davis/Drummond) are drafted they are increasingly difficult to pry away from their teams in a trade. Ibaka, Jordan, and Favors would be great examples of that. And I know Favors was traded but Deron Williams was in the deal and now that Utah has him. They have made it known that he is apart of their future.

Considering we would be getting that athletic shotblocker and rebounder by trading for the first or second pick, I would even be willing to throw in Whiteside to make the deal sweeter.

 

[ElRey]

i hope the kings throw away the rest of the season and play the rooks. aint going no where and surely pissing away a good opportunity at a better pick. we could be in that spencer hawes position missing on noah.

But the last time we had the worse record, we STILL ended up at the worse pick possible at #4! It takes divine intervention (ahem Stern) for us to have any luck whatsoever in the draft lottery.

 

[Tetsujin]

As of now there are 3 teams that are a decent amount of games below our record (Charlotte, Washington, and New Orleans). Landing a top 5 pick is not out of the question. Obvioulsy the lower the pick the more value it would have if we try to trade up so we need as much help from the lottery as possible.

As for the trade, I would trade Thornton and our first for Davis. I would go as far as saying that I would do it for Drummond as well. Once these types of players (Davis/Drummond) are drafted they are increasingly difficult to pry away from their teams in a trade. Ibaka, Jordan, and Favors would be great examples of that. And I know Favors was traded but Deron Williams was in the deal and now that Utah has him. They have made it known that he is apart of their future.

Considering we would be getting that athletic shotblocker and rebounder by trading for the first or second pick, I would even be willing to throw in Whiteside to make the deal sweeter.

Or we could magically win the lottery like Portland the Oden year (hopefully without the crippling leg injuries)

 

[Anthony1]

I don't like the idea of trading away Thornton. Certainly, Cuz is our only untouchable player, but I think Thornton is a guy that should stay on our team. I'd rather trade away Tyreke. Not that I think Thornton is better than Tyreke, I just think Thornton better fits a team concept than Tyreke. Also, Tyreke "should" bring back more value in a trade.

The other thing is, that I don't think it's totally out of the realm of possibility for us to end up with say the 5th or 6th pick, and Gilchrist falls to us anyways... So, it might be better to stay in our shoes so to speak...

 

[bajaden]

I don't like the idea of trading away Thornton. Certainly, Cuz is our only untouchable player, but I think Thornton is a guy that should stay on our team. I'd rather trade away Tyreke. Not that I think Thornton is better than Tyreke, I just think Thornton better fits a team concept than Tyreke. Also, Tyreke "should" bring back more value in a trade.

The other thing is, that I don't think it's totally out of the realm of possibility for us to end up with say the 5th or 6th pick, and Gilchrist falls to us anyways... So, it might be better to stay in our shoes so to speak...

The way the season is going, we could well end up being the fourth pick in the draft, and who knows, maybe we get lucky in the lottery. If we make any deals at the trade deadling, it would be nice to get another 1st round pick. We should have a better idea where we're drafting by the end of march.

 

[Kings4life23]

I don't like the idea of trading away Thornton. Certainly, Cuz is our only untouchable player, but I think Thornton is a guy that should stay on our team. I'd rather trade away Tyreke. Not that I think Thornton is better than Tyreke, I just think Thornton better fits a team concept than Tyreke. Also, Tyreke "should" bring back more value in a trade.

The other thing is, that I don't think it's totally out of the realm of possibility for us to end up with say the 5th or 6th pick, and Gilchrist falls to us anyways... So, it might be better to stay in our shoes so to speak...

Why is everyone ready to dump tyreke like hes some overpaid scrub. Tyreke and Demarcus should both be untouchable. Tyreke will be a future All-star and lead us to are first championship in are new building mark my words.

 

[Spike]

Why is everyone ready to dump tyreke like hes some overpaid scrub. Tyreke and Demarcus should both be untouchable. Tyreke will be a future All-star and lead us to are first championship in are new building mark my words.

our, dude.

 

[The Hammer]

Why is everyone ready to dump tyreke like hes some overpaid scrub. Tyreke and Demarcus should both be untouchable. Tyreke will be a future All-star and lead us to are first championship in are new building mark my words.

Maybe Kim Sloan was right after all. Btw, I did mark your words, just there.