Kings trading Evans for Vasquez/Lopez
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As much as I didn't want to lose Tyreke, we at last can see there is a plan, vs just collecting pieces. The focus is going be around Cuz and Benny Mac. You need a facilitator to maximize Benny Macs game of coming off screens or catching lobs. Can see some pick and rolls/pops with Vasquez and Cuz. Not sure you get the most out of Tyreke if you ask him to fill that role here. Not sure I love the plan, but at least it is a plan.
This is all true. Unfortunately the plan piles on unproven players and B siders for its basketball 101 lineup. All fits, but all the talent pressure swings to Boogie, and it puts the rookie in a crappy place of having to be a star in waiting or Cuz has no wingman and BMac becomes the scrub who cost us Reke.
Here is the one interesting thing: Ailene just flat out stated it both on twitter and in her blog at sacbee. She is not a reporter who would normally do that unless she knew. She's got a thousand slimy ways to try to make her opinions sound like facts, but this was none of those: this was a flat statement.
And yet, that twitter handle Mass found stated the report was false, and it looks like a very dialed in source. been watching them since that time, and they have had up to the minute updates on various other contracts all over the league. So...its very likely true. But...
And yet, that twitter handle Mass found stated the report was false, and it looks like a very dialed in source. been watching them since that time, and they have had up to the minute updates on various other contracts all over the league. So...its very likely true. But...
Yes, and that's as good as J.R. Smith will ever be. He's topped out, a limited player at best, and an idiot. If he hadn't reminded everybody of that in the playoffs he would have done better. His contract is very close to the one Kyle Korver just signed, so its clear he's being underpaid.
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Question, did you actually watch any Kings games last year? So much of this is coming around from names we haven't seen much of lately, I half believe people gave up on the team when it looked like it was going to move, and have come back carrying half baked rookie year grievances.
All of which to say Tyreke was the most willing passer on the entire team last year.
If nothing else at least he can escape this fanbase.
All of which to say Tyreke was the most willing passer on the entire team last year.
If nothing else at least he can escape this fanbase.
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I think Tyreke is great as a No. 1 option on a bad team. Problem is this: 1) His production drops significantly when he's not the No. 1 option. 2) He's not good enough to be the No. 1 option on a great team - to be a great team, we would need a better cast to surround Tyreke, but then Tyreke would no longer be the No. 1 guy on the team. In conclusion, he's the sort of player who is great at making bad teams mediocre, but keeps mediocre teams from becoming good. And the way the NBA is set up right now is that it rewards teams that swing from being great to terrible to great again, rather than teams that stay mediocre over the long haul. I wish him the best of luck at NO, but I am excited about Vazquez and glad that the Kings aren't paying him 11M for the next 4 years (or however the $ is distributed over those 4 years).
I hope it's false. Through the years I've noticed how you guys are not high on voison so that's why I thought I'd ask. You just figure that they would hands down match NO offer especially after the contract they offered Iggy.
What are your thoughts on this Brick if the trade does or does not go through ?
What are your thoughts on this Brick if the trade does or does not go through ?
I hope Vasquez recovers well from the surgeries he had on both ankle this summer.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/e...vasquez-to-get-surgery-for-both-of-his-ankles
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/e...vasquez-to-get-surgery-for-both-of-his-ankles
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man, how pathetic if this rumor's true. to go from dreams of iggy/tyreke to a reality of vasquez/lopez? wow, way to think big, guys...
right now i'm seeing a lotta big talk from the new regime folding under the pressure. they look like amateurs too afraid to do what is necessary in this league: spend the money. they pulled out of negotiations with iggy, they won't commit to matching a reasonable offer for tyreke. what are they hanging their hats on, exactly? that vasquez, coming off major ankle surgery, is gonna quit turning the ball over? that some other high quality SF will want to sign here after they pulled the rug from underneath iguodala? that mclemore is gonna be an all-star in his first couple of seasons? that cousins will be able to do it all himself? what is the plan here?
this is a bad joke, a nightmare scenario. you just don't do this in the nba, trade a superior talent for two mediocre talents, unless that superior talent suffers a major injury. you DEFINITELY don't make this trade if he's only 23 years old with one helluva ceiling. if this is true, and if the kings can't bring in anyone of significant value via free agency, i'm gonna be left speechless...
right now i'm seeing a lotta big talk from the new regime folding under the pressure. they look like amateurs too afraid to do what is necessary in this league: spend the money. they pulled out of negotiations with iggy, they won't commit to matching a reasonable offer for tyreke. what are they hanging their hats on, exactly? that vasquez, coming off major ankle surgery, is gonna quit turning the ball over? that some other high quality SF will want to sign here after they pulled the rug from underneath iguodala? that mclemore is gonna be an all-star in his first couple of seasons? that cousins will be able to do it all himself? what is the plan here?
this is a bad joke, a nightmare scenario. you just don't do this in the nba, trade a superior talent for two mediocre talents, unless that superior talent suffers a major injury. you DEFINITELY don't make this trade if he's only 23 years old with one helluva ceiling. if this is true, and if the kings can't bring in anyone of significant value via free agency, i'm gonna be left speechless...
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My shy and retiring nature making me hard to read huh?
But actually I am doing what I always do and holding back a tad. Is it stupid? Yes. Did my respect for the front office just plummet? Yes. I have already referred to PDA as a basement rodent in this thread, and I came this close to insulting his sad excuse for a law school.
But here's the thing: weak and shortsighted as it is, the players returning are the style of players we should be looking at...just not at the expense of Reke. AFTER you resign Reke, you want to go out and swap around lesser players and end up with Vasquez and Lopez on the team, that's fine by me. Vasquez would help with ball movement and has size if not quickness or 1/10 of Reke's gift. Lopez does not rebound, but he is a shotblcoker. Or at least a guy who tried hard and blocks some shots. Not the same thing as an intimidator, but he helps. Works for me as a 3rd/4th big type. I do think it must be noted for all the "but Tyreke didn't make us win!" peeps that Vasquez and Lopez were 2/5 of the starting lineup of big time losing team last year themselves, and that neither guy had ever averaged double figure points until they were given all those minutes. So not only could we be trading Reke for unproven starters, we could be trading him for 2 blown up bench guys who only start on lottery teams.
But actually I am doing what I always do and holding back a tad. Is it stupid? Yes. Did my respect for the front office just plummet? Yes. I have already referred to PDA as a basement rodent in this thread, and I came this close to insulting his sad excuse for a law school.
But here's the thing: weak and shortsighted as it is, the players returning are the style of players we should be looking at...just not at the expense of Reke. AFTER you resign Reke, you want to go out and swap around lesser players and end up with Vasquez and Lopez on the team, that's fine by me. Vasquez would help with ball movement and has size if not quickness or 1/10 of Reke's gift. Lopez does not rebound, but he is a shotblcoker. Or at least a guy who tried hard and blocks some shots. Not the same thing as an intimidator, but he helps. Works for me as a 3rd/4th big type. I do think it must be noted for all the "but Tyreke didn't make us win!" peeps that Vasquez and Lopez were 2/5 of the starting lineup of big time losing team last year themselves, and that neither guy had ever averaged double figure points until they were given all those minutes. So not only could we be trading Reke for unproven starters, we could be trading him for 2 blown up bench guys who only start on lottery teams.
With this trade we are still 8.5 mil under the cap. we could amnesty Salmons (unlikly) and be 16 mil under the cap. I look for there to be a trade for a SF (Granger, Deng, maybe go after iggy again via sign and trade) Chicago rumors Deng may be shipped out. Thornton + filler for deng maybe Jimmer?
Vasquez/IT/Mccallum
Maclemore/Salmons
Deng/Salmons/Outlaw
Jt/Ppat
cuz/Lopez
Vasquez/IT/Mccallum
Maclemore/Salmons
Deng/Salmons/Outlaw
Jt/Ppat
cuz/Lopez
man, how pathetic if this rumor's true. to go from dreams of iggy/tyreke to a reality of vasquez/lopez? wow, way to think big, guys...
right now i'm seeing a lotta big talk from the new regime folding under the pressure. they look like amateurs too afraid to do what is necessary in this league: spend the money. they pulled out of negotiations with iggy, they won't commit to matching a reasonable offer for tyreke. what are they hanging their hats on, exactly? that vasquez, coming off major ankle surgery, is gonna quit turning the ball over? that some other high quality SF will want to sign here after they pulled the rug from underneath iguodala? that mclemore is gonna be an all-star in his first couple of seasons? that cousins will be able to do it all himself? what is the plan here?
this is a bad joke, a nightmare scenario. you just don't do this in the nba, trade a superior talent for two mediocre talents, unless that superior talent suffers a major injury. you DEFINITELY don't make this trade if he's only 23 years old with one helluva ceiling. if this is true, and if the kings can't bring in anyone of significant value via free agency, i'm gonna be left speechless...
right now i'm seeing a lotta big talk from the new regime folding under the pressure. they look like amateurs too afraid to do what is necessary in this league: spend the money. they pulled out of negotiations with iggy, they won't commit to matching a reasonable offer for tyreke. what are they hanging their hats on, exactly? that vasquez, coming off major ankle surgery, is gonna quit turning the ball over? that some other high quality SF will want to sign here after they pulled the rug from underneath iguodala? that mclemore is gonna be an all-star in his first couple of seasons? that cousins will be able to do it all himself? what is the plan here?
this is a bad joke, a nightmare scenario. you just don't do this in the nba, trade a superior talent for two mediocre talents, unless that superior talent suffers a major injury. you DEFINITELY don't make this trade if he's only 23 years old with one helluva ceiling. if this is true, and if the kings can't bring in anyone of significant value via free agency, i'm gonna be left speechless...
Ugh. Well, you can't say this didn't feel like the direction we were heading. Very unfortunate.
And I actually like Vasquez and Lopez as players. This was obviously not a talent swap, though. This was PDA deciding against Evans salary, and after that he decided he was going to get something for him. Again, I don't agree at all, but don't try and make sense of the deal from a talent perspective. We got the weak end, but it wasn't about that.
Not a good day for the Kings. We still have cap room and too many guards. I wonder what's next.
And I actually like Vasquez and Lopez as players. This was obviously not a talent swap, though. This was PDA deciding against Evans salary, and after that he decided he was going to get something for him. Again, I don't agree at all, but don't try and make sense of the deal from a talent perspective. We got the weak end, but it wasn't about that.
Not a good day for the Kings. We still have cap room and too many guards. I wonder what's next.
Yes, the fans' typical retort. I bought tickets, I can be as big of a jerk as I want to! Yeah, well if you buy dinner you can belittle the waitress who brings it to you too. Doesn't mean I'm not going to call you on it. Fact is Tyreke was more loyal to you than you were to him, and he put up with a tremendous amount of **** without complaint. That's good on him. Not so good on the fans.
WOW! I guess the honeymoon is really over and the new team has not played one single game yet. LOL!!!
I was all on board in matching the Evans offer, and putting the ball in his hands for years to come. I love Tyreke Evans. I love his game, I love his potential......but I love winning more!!!!! This team has done absolutely nothing with Tyreke Evans as a cornerstone player. And if he becomes an All Star in NOLA, nobody will be happier than me.
But this Front Office has shown more balls in 36 hours, than the previous front office showed in the last four plus years. Geoff Petrie would have matched this offer and settled for potential mediocrity. The Maloofs would have never, ever, ever, EVER entertained the thought of signing a big money deal for Andre Iguodala. I am thrilled that we are even having this conversation. And D'Alessandro is holding up his end of the bargain and is being aggressive. Now, it is time for Pete to really be aggressive; make this trade for Vasquez and Lopez. Then go out and make the trade of the season by getting us the SF that we have so needed.
Congrats to Ranadive and Staff for vision. All you Twitter and Forum GM's who think they know more than these guys, RELAX AND HAVE A SEAT PLEASE!!!! And I wish Tyreke Evans nothing but success, he is a fine young man.
I was all on board in matching the Evans offer, and putting the ball in his hands for years to come. I love Tyreke Evans. I love his game, I love his potential......but I love winning more!!!!! This team has done absolutely nothing with Tyreke Evans as a cornerstone player. And if he becomes an All Star in NOLA, nobody will be happier than me.
But this Front Office has shown more balls in 36 hours, than the previous front office showed in the last four plus years. Geoff Petrie would have matched this offer and settled for potential mediocrity. The Maloofs would have never, ever, ever, EVER entertained the thought of signing a big money deal for Andre Iguodala. I am thrilled that we are even having this conversation. And D'Alessandro is holding up his end of the bargain and is being aggressive. Now, it is time for Pete to really be aggressive; make this trade for Vasquez and Lopez. Then go out and make the trade of the season by getting us the SF that we have so needed.
Congrats to Ranadive and Staff for vision. All you Twitter and Forum GM's who think they know more than these guys, RELAX AND HAVE A SEAT PLEASE!!!! And I wish Tyreke Evans nothing but success, he is a fine young man.
If you think Tyreke is a superstar waiting in the wings, it's a bad deal. I don't think that. Heck, even the team that got him is thinking he's going to come off the bench as a 2/3. That doesn't portend greatness. Vivek and DA valued Tyreke, they just didn't value him at $11+ mill/year. NO was the outlier. There wasn't another team that thought he was worth it. My guess is that they didn't think he was close to being worth it. I don't blame Vivek & DA for having cap discipline; I applaud it. Many more changes ahead. This is just the beginning. It's way too early to make judgements when they are just getting started. Give it a couple of years.
This new front office has been aggressive in losing my trust. In two days I've gone from ecstatic to absolutely furious. We went from Iggy and Reke being our two rather public "top priorities" to getting neither and wimping out on the losing end of a deal for our own restricted free agent. I better simply be too dense and old fashioned to understand NBA 2.0 because otherwise you can mark Independence Day as the end of the honeymoon for me with Vivek and Co.
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