Who is available as 6th-7th pick

Unfortunately, I think the market will say otherwise. Obviously, the cheaper we can sign him the better. I'm just afraid we're going to be faced with the choice to fork up 4/68 to match another team's offer sheet.
4/68?!? For Tyreke? If he ever gets this kind of offer, I'd say "Thank you Reke, and good luck". We would be crazy matching that kind of offer.
 
the $44 or the $68?

You don't let him walk at $44. At $68...well $68 is just insane. There would almost have to.
Both. He's not an $11mil/year player. Just because we have owners willing to spend money doesn't mean we should be stupid with how we spend it and start dishing out huge contracts to guys who don't deserve them

Personally, I wouldn't go above 4/36.
 
Value is determined by how much people are willing to pay. Do you really think his potential suitors aren't taking into account his potential and lack of a positive environment? Of course they will, but they will also take into account what he has produced (or not produced) thus far.

A little ignorant to claim all of ESPN to be biased and having poor knowledge outside a "top few" teams. If anything, it shows you are biased. Also, what do you mean Durant had one of the worst PERs in the league? His worst was 15.81 for his rookie season, that's average, and it has climbed as he has improved as a player.
Monetary value, yes. But there'll come a time when he's overpaid, underpaid, or just about right. Value of a player doesn't always correspond to what they're paid - in fact, it rarely does. Teams may or may not take into account everything when making him an offer. Anyway, that's not really relevant.

ESPN regularly publishes poor articles. It's fine as a general entity which reports news and gives a general overview of the league, but it's not specialised and the fans of individual teams can tell you more about their teams than ESPN, which is especially true for smaller market teams. I don't really know how you can dispute this. I fail to see how pointing this out makes me biased.

As for Durant, maybe I am confused, but I'm sure he was under a lot of criticism in his first few years for having a very low PER. Can't seem to find the article but maybe I'm confusing it for something else. Was definitely Durant though.
 
4/68?!? For Tyreke? If he ever gets this kind of offer, I'd say "Thank you Reke, and good luck". We would be crazy matching that kind of offer.
Haha well thanks guys. This is comforting to know that many of you think he can be had for much less than the max.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Both. He's not an $11mil/year player. Just because we have owners willing to spend money doesn't mean we should be stupid with how we spend it and start dishing out huge contracts to guys who don't deserve them

Personally, I wouldn't go above 4/36.
He's a 4/44 player if used correctly. he might even be a 4/48 if used correctly. I'd certainly send out signals I think so so as to discourage anybody else from even making an offer.
 
Unfortunately, I think the market will say otherwise. Obviously, the cheaper we can sign him the better. I'm just afraid we're going to be faced with the choice to fork up 4/68 to match another team's offer sheet.

LOL. You sound like you went to the Kahn Academy of GMing.

"Our guys are amazing. He's gonna get max, I just know it! We'll offer him 1 million below max right now so we can get a good deal. Also, let's try Darko out. He was a 2nd overall pick, after all. Gotta have talent in this league."

In a properly built team, pay is commensurate with playing time and impact during that time. MT is overpaid for a bench chucker with no conscience. Crawford and Jack are getting ~5M. JR Smith may get more due to his role as the 2nd scorer and the fact that NY can afford to (and have little option of getting any other talent). But even then, you're looking at a Manu type 6th man (fake 6th) for that sort of money. Tyreke, per his production, is an 8-9M level player. Average starting guard that isn't a lockdown defender or knockdown shooter. Inconsistent scoring. Now before someone calls out "bad coaching bad environment," let me say that I'm just basing this hypothetical pay on his performance. If you want to account for potential or the fact that we are in a smaller market and must overpay for young talent now so we can build a base, then 10M/year is not an atrocious sum. But you throw in MT behind him and now you're paying 18M for non-elite production at the SG spot? That's bad value for production per minutes played.
 
Monetary value, yes. But there'll come a time when he's overpaid, underpaid, or just about right. Value of a player doesn't always correspond to what they're paid - in fact, it rarely does. Teams may or may not take into account everything when making him an offer. Anyway, that's not really relevant.

ESPN regularly publishes poor articles. It's fine as a general entity which reports news and gives a general overview of the league, but it's not specialised and the fans of individual teams can tell you more about their teams than ESPN, which is especially true for smaller market teams. I don't really know how you can dispute this. I fail to see how pointing this out makes me biased.

As for Durant, maybe I am confused, but I'm sure he was under a lot of criticism in his first few years for having a very low PER. Can't seem to find the article but maybe I'm confusing it for something else. Was definitely Durant though.
What teams will offer Tyreke in free agency is his current value. Yes, it will likely change as time goes on, but I don't see how you can argue that it doesn't quantify his current value.

Thinking ESPN publishes mostly poor articles is your opinion. I don't think it's fair to hold a prejudice against their research/statistic articles... unless you were referring to an opinion-based player ranking.

Durant had a PER of 15.8 (average) his rookie year, 20.9 (very good) his sophomore year, and 26.2 (MVP-caliber) his third year. Must be a different stat you were thinking about.
 
Scott Howard Cooper intimated that Cousins could be traded. "Hard to win a game before it even starts in the lockeroom (with Cousins)", is roughly what he said. It's tough enough to win when you have everybody together, but when you have dissension in the lockeroom...? is another paraphrase. Seems to think the new owners could cut their losses. After all, per Cooper, GS has great chemistry in the lockeroom. Doesn't seem that Vivek would want something different with the Kings. Bottom line: Nobody knows. Maybe Vivek doesn't know. Vivek has to get his brain trust together soon though. Their personnel decision making process is going to begin with the premise of there being Cousins, or there not being Cousins.
Considering that Scott Howard Cooper hasn't had a good thing to say about Cousins since before he was drafted, I put little stock in what he has to say about him.
 
I don't prefer Rubio's 7 assists or 30% shooting. I prefer Rubio's COURT VISION and the ability to make others around him better. Why are we even comparing Evans and Rubio anyway? They play two different positions.

Also, while Smart isn't a good coach by NBA standards, he's still better than any of us so there had to be a reason why he cut Evans minutes which probably had to do with the glutton of SGs we had and Smart's ability to see that Evans is not a PG.
I wonder if it was the same reason he cut Curry's minutes in GS? Or maybe it is Smart's delusional idea that there are "no stars" on the team, making all the players interchangeable. That theory doesn't even work in middle school when coaches do it.
 
I don't want to argue about basketball tactics and fundamentals but I will say that no player should drive to the hoop with the intention of passing the ball. You go to the hoop with the intention to score and then judge whether or not (based on how the defense reacts) whether to pass the ball or not.

The reason the ability of a guard or wing to attack off the dribble is a valuable asset is because once you go past your man, the defense has to rotate to compensate, meaning they are now at a disadvantage somewhere. Whether a player passes or tries to score depends on what the defense does and what the offensive player's skillset is.
One of my pet peeves is when a players drives into the lane, has an uncontested shot at the basket, and passes it out for a 3pt shot.
 
I wonder if it was the same reason he cut Curry's minutes in GS? Or maybe it is Smart's delusional idea that there are "no stars" on the team, making all the players interchangeable. That theory doesn't even work in middle school when coaches do it.
People realize Curry was missed over half the year last season with injuries right?
 
People seem to think CJ McCollum is a bad fit for us. Not the case at all. The problem with Isaiah, Brooks, and Jimmer isn't that they are all scorers, which is fine, or that they're not good enough passers, which is also fine. The problem with them is that they'll all dominate a possession to get a stat. McCollum will score quickly and efficiently, unlike the aforementioned. And scoring wise, he can do it all- shooting, slashing, driving, finishing. He'd put up far better assist numbers in most cases, but really, name one other player at Lehigh. I think he'll do fine as a a PG in the NBA.
 
People seem to think CJ McCollum is a bad fit for us. Not the case at all. The problem with Isaiah, Brooks, and Jimmer isn't that they are all scorers, which is fine, or that they're not good enough passers, which is also fine. The problem with them is that they'll all dominate a possession to get a stat. McCollum will score quickly and efficiently, unlike the aforementioned. And scoring wise, he can do it all- shooting, slashing, driving, finishing. He'd put up far better assist numbers in most cases, but really, name one other player at Lehigh. I think he'll do fine as a a PG in the NBA.
IT was one of the most efficient guards in the league, especially Post-all star break
 
IT was one of the most efficient guards in the league, especially Post-all star break
44/36/88 isn't exactly being one of the most efficient in the league.And that's not even the point. The point is that he will stop the entire offense just to get a shot or an assist. McCollum won't do that, and he'll score more efficiently (50% FG, 53% 3pt, 87% FT) than Isaiah will ever dream of.
 
People realize Curry was missed over half the year last season with injuries right?
Do you realize that last season Smart was already here and Jackson was coaching Warriors?
44/36/88 isn't exactly being one of the most efficient in the league.And that's not even the point. The point is that he will stop the entire offense just to get a shot or an assist. McCollum won't do that, and he'll score more efficiently (50% FG, 53% 3pt, 87% FT) than Isaiah will ever dream of.
He played only 12 games and it was against very weak schedule. Still probably a better shooter that IT though.
 
Tyreke's value isn't just diminished by his failure to progress, but by how many games he's missed in his career. Derozan salary levels is about where he's at.
 
My whole issue is that Evans is not a PG. No matter how much you want him at PG won't make him a good PG. He's never been a good PG in college, or in the NBA. Sometimes you should just stop forcing something and move him to his natural position. i.e SG.
He has got better at seeing the floor in the last year or two but I still only want him as a part time PG rather than being penciled in as the starter going forward.
Lol.
 
Full time PG.. Should have put that in there like I had in other posts.

If you do read my other posts rather than trying to amuse yourself at my expense you would see that I have been saying that I don't want him as a full time PG but if he was to fill in part time when someone is on the bench then I wouldn't care. I do NOT think he's a PG in the sense that PGs are thought of, but I do not mind Evans filling in as a part timer. Was that enough explanation for you or do you need me to spell it out for you again?

Again, you are bolding stuff just to make me look bad and it's making you look like an idiot because if you did read the other posts you would have known what I meant. Shame on you little guy.
 
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Full time PG.. Should have put that in there like I had in other posts.

If you do read my other posts rather than trying to amuse yourself at my expense you would see that I have been saying that I don't want him as a full time PG but if he was to fill in part time when someone is on the bench then I wouldn't care. I do NOT think he's a PG in the sense that PGs are thought of, but I do not mind Evans filling in as a part timer. Was that enough explanation for you or do you need me to spell it out for you again?

Again, you are bolding stuff just to make me look bad and it's making you look like an idiot because if you did read the other posts you would have known what I meant. Shame on you little guy.
Don't get mad at me because you're a hypocrite. I'm not the one who said he's not a PG, doesn't have PG instincts and no matter how much you want he won't be a good PG, then follow it up by saying he can play PG part time.

Really not my fault you have zero idea what a PG is or isn't in the modern NBA, and calling myself or others names in an attempt to shift your incompetence really isn't a good look, buddy. Lol.
 
Don't get mad at me because you're a hypocrite. I'm not the one who said he's not a PG, doesn't have PG instincts and no matter how much you want he won't be a good PG, then follow it up by saying he can play PG part time.

Really not my fault you have zero idea what a PG is or isn't in the modern NBA, and calling myself or others names in an attempt to shift your incompetence really isn't a good look, buddy. Lol.
It's not my fault if you look like an idiot by trying to put words in my mouth, and it's not my fault that YOU, good sir, have no idea what a PG is. But continue to look dumb if you like. Your basketball knowledge is pretty damn elite lol.

Love you buttercup. Continue to make me laugh please.
 
It's not my fault if you look like an idiot by trying to put words in my mouth, and it's not my fault that YOU, good sir, have no idea what a PG is. But continue to look dumb if you like. Your basketball knowledge is pretty damn elite lol.

Love you buttercup. Continue to make me laugh please.
Actually a lot of us know what a PG is but we also know that there are different types of PG something that is a very difficult concept for you to grasp but carry on!
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
If Burke is gone, Dario Saric. We can finally fill the hole in SF spot with an european player who knows the game.
I'm going to second your motion about a european player, but I'm going to change players and go with Kasasev. The main reason being, number one, I've seen him play and I haven't seen Saric play, and number two, he's a better shooter and the Kings need good perimeter shooting from their SF. Both players have similar traits. Both are very good passers, and both have excellent court vision. Both have the same question mark, and thats whether they can play defense in the NBA. All I have to go on is that I saw Kasasev keep Wiggins in front of him on one occasion, and I saw him keep Julius Randle in front of him. Not much, but its something to go on.

After Porter, there's no one at the SF position I'm interested in until you get to Kasasev. I only saw him in one game, but he really impressed me with his court presence, his passing, and his ability to hit the open shot. His BBIQ looks excellent.
 
I'm going to second your motion about a european player, but I'm going to change players and go with Kasasev. The main reason being, number one, I've seen him play and I haven't seen Saric play, and number two, he's a better shooter and the Kings need good perimeter shooting from their SF. Both players have similar traits. Both are very good passers, and both have excellent court vision. Both have the same question mark, and thats whether they can play defense in the NBA. All I have to go on is that I saw Kasasev keep Wiggins in front of him on one occasion, and I saw him keep Julius Randle in front of him. Not much, but its something to go on.

After Porter, there's no one at the SF position I'm interested in until you get to Kasasev. I only saw him in one game, but he really impressed me with his court presence, his passing, and his ability to hit the open shot. His BBIQ looks excellent.
I am also leaning towards this route and i have heard good things about Karasev. Who would you liken his game to?
 
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