I was just updated, and I'm shocked, depressed, felling terrible, even nauseous.

#1
Yeah, I know, I haven't posted here a while and barely visited the site during the last month.
I only now saw a few articles about what is happening with Arco and all that. I was updated by some Israeli sports sites. I have tears in my eyes while posting this... Seattle?? Relocation?? A new name? A new beginning? Even new fans? Lets make this clear, I am not a "Omri fan" (Israeli dude that supports Sac because of Omri).
I am a fan around 8-10 years. I have so many memories from this team. Sacramento kings is something that is very very very deep in my heart.
I know the team will still have the same roster and coach, but it just won't be the same.
I don't even know if we're still gonna be named "Kings".


Is there anything u guys can say to cheer me up? Is there something that u can fill me in on?

SK Till I Die <3
 

CruzDude

Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
#2
What articles are you seeing? I live here and haven't seen such stuff. Quite the opposite. More season tickets than in years. Another Rookie of the Year candidate drafted. Great excitement we haven't seen in years. All positive feedback from coaches and players and staff. What more do you want?
 

Capt. Factorial

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What articles are you seeing? I live here and haven't seen such stuff. Quite the opposite. More season tickets than in years. Another Rookie of the Year candidate drafted. Great excitement we haven't seen in years. All positive feedback from coaches and players and staff. What more do you want?
It sounds as if the original poster has gotten most of their information from Israeli sports sites, and who knows what is being said in those.

As of now, the facts on the ground are these:

1) There is no current plan for the relocation of the Kings, not to Seattle, not to anywhere. Neither the NBA nor Kings ownership have suggested that any relocation is being planned or considered. The Kings have not filed for relocation for the 2011-2012 season, though the deadline to do so will be in March 2011.
The bad news:
2) Arco Arena is an old venue, and needs to be replaced in the short term.
3) The Sacramento Kings do not have the financial ability to build an arena on their own, but the city of Sacramento has been completely unwilling to publicly finance an arena.
4) A recent, complicated land swap plan to finance an arena has recently been shot down by the Cal Expo board, one of the governmental parties to the plan. This is not the first arena proposal that has been killed by Cal Expo.
5) The NBA has essentially announced that it will no longer be actively involved in facilitating the development of an arena in Sacramento (though it may be debatable what role they have played since the first Cal Expo proposal, and whether their influence is even necessary).
The good news:
6) Developers are continuing to look for solutions that will allow for a privately financed arena, and there are at least two sites (the original site in Natomas and the Downtown Railyard complex) that are available for an arena if funding to build one can be secured.
7) The Kings ownership has consistently reiterated a desire to not move the team, and to get an arena built in Sacramento.
8) There are several obstacles to any suggested move. The NBA's relocation fee and a large debt that the Kings organization currently owes the city of Sacramento would amount to about $100 million dollars. The viability of all hotly-rumored relocation destinations is also in question. Seattle's Key Arena is older than Arco, has not been renovated in 15 years, and is one of the reasons the Supersonics left town. Both San Jose and Anaheim have modern arenas but lie in the exclusive rights zones of other franchises (two, in the case of Anaheim) - the Warriors, Lakers, and Clippers are unlikely to allow a move to either. Kansas City has a modern arena but is an even smaller media market than Sacramento, with two current professional sports franchises that the Kings would have to compete with. And the NBA is unlikely to approve a move to Las Vegas (which does not, at the current time, have a new arena under construction, though there are plans) due to gambling concerns.

The bottom line is that the Kings are in Sacramento for now. If an arena deal can be made, they will stay. If an arena deal cannot be made, they will eventually leave. There is no set deadline for when a deal must be in place to keep the Kings in Sacramento. The pessismistic belief is that the Kings will certainly file for relocation in March. The optimistic belief is that Kings ownership will work for two-three more years to get an arena deal done before giving up. But nobody really knows.
 
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#5
Don't know what he saw, but Bill Simmons had this to say about the Bee story today.

@sportsguy33 Most secretly fascinating NBA preseason story: http://tinyurl.com/2ayzts9 Beginning of the end for Kings in Sacramento. KC? Anaheim? Vegas? about 4 hours ago
So? Nothing new there. I hope they do build a year-round theme park in Sacramento. Then dumpy the Cal Expo Board will be sorry they didn't get opn board. A theme park would almost assuredly put them out of business. No vision there at all.

dvirc218: Nothing is final until the team files a request to move with the league. That could happen anytime now, but has to happen by 03/01/11, if they want to move next year. Considering that Anaheim or Kansas City are the only current places I'm aware of with NBA ready arenas, who knows? It won't be easy to get an arena anywhere either, not just in Sacramento. And I'm not sure that the Lakers and Clippers wouldn't fight a move to Anaheim. The owners have to approve the move and I can't see the league liking 3 teams in essentially the same market. The Maloofs would be renters there, with no control over arena revenues. They'd be renters in KC, too, but the city might make it very attractive. Not sure that the Maloofs want to go to the midwest, though. Vegas isn't having an eay time getting an arena built either.

Edit: I should add that the outlook is not good right now. However, there's nothing I can do to help it, so I've tried to let go of most of the feelings you describe. After 10 years, it was just too much worry over something I can't control. When and if the Kings leave, I'll be really upset about it, but at least it will be over something awful that has actually occurred.
 
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Bricklayer

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#6
Well one new thing if you follow the links -- you can hear the NBA getting ready to close the door, if you had any doubts before. Kamilos had better come up with a save.

One slightly positive thing at least is that it was Kevin Johnson having to take that call from Stern, rather than a random local politican.
 
#9
You are sadistically enjoying this. Sad.
I wondered for a while if Larry David is a Laker's fan getting his kicks in such a cruel manner. Then I had to concede that he just might be an even more relentless pessimist than either me or piksi. That's saying a lot! I'm pretty good at seeing that dark lining thing, even in full sun. ;)
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
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I wondered for a while if Larry David is a Laker's fan getting his kicks in such a cruel manner. Then I had to concede that he just might be an even more relentless pessimist than either me or piksi. That's saying a lot! I'm pretty good at seeing that dark lining thing, even in full sun. ;)
Is that why you wore a rain suit to the Clipper game? ;)
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#11
I personally feel the inevitable will eventually happen, when it will happen, well that's the interesting part. It's been coming for years, now whether we stay in the state of California or not is the other question, regardless, I am looking forward to hearing some more news about this in a couple of weeks/months.
 
#12
Am I the only one who wouldn't be sad about a move to Vegas?

I mean sure I would love for my Kings to stay in Sacramento (or the immediate surrounding area) But Vegas would be much better than SoCal IMO.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#13
@Mega: I too would not mind a move to Las Vegas, because one, it's pretty close to me. Besides that, it would be pretty neat to have a city all to our selves and be the only talk of the town sport wise, because they don't have any.
 
#14
Mega and Kingsboi: I also agree. After the crushing blow of the Cal Expo vote, I was surprised the next morning, I'd stopped worrying about whether they would stay in Sacramento and started hoping that, if they move, (still holding a slim enough hope to keep the "if" in) at least they move to a city I like. Vegas, to me, seems to be the top of the list. So if a move is inevitable, I'm hoping it's to there.
 
#15
Vegas is fine by me. I think it would really put some fire in to the Lakers/Kings rivalry and give the team a little more national respectability. A good rivalry makes it so much more fun. San Jose would be OK too. I just know that if the team leaves, I have no pitty for Sacramento. They will have gotten what they deserve.
 
#16
This type of stuff are just unheard of here in Europe.. I mean a team packing thier bags and leave? thats just so wierd.

I hope it doesn't happen just for all the nice longtime kings fans in Sac.. it's just heartbreaking.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#17
@Lowen: Absolutely, what better city than Vegas. I know it's a tourist and party city but I am sure that people from all over the states could stop by and watch a Kings game while in town, it gives good entertainment at night before people all head out to the clubs/bars etc. I like the idea, I wouldn't be mad at all if it happens, I would make frequent trips to Vegas for sure.
 
#18
Personally, I loathe Vegas. It's a blighted, blasted wasteland, unfit for human occupation, and the only reason anyone's there is because it was a safe haven for organized crime. Survival there means you're stealing all your water from somewhere else, and leaving an enormous carbon footprint. **** that town and the horse it rode in on.

If they move out of NorCal, I'll probably wash my hands of the NBA.
 
#19
It's a HORRIBLE move to let the Kings go from Sac.. People are worried about the costs of the stadium, but what about the 42 home games where 10-17k people are making a night of it and putting money back in the local economy and small businesses before/after the game. My Brother manages a restaurant in Natomas and game nights the restaurant is packed, and non game nights it's normal business.

It would be terrible for Sac to lose the Kings. I would probably leave Sac with them.. I wouldn't want to live in a town with retards for politicians.
 
#21
I've been wanting to ask this for awhile now, what's the big deal with the ARCO site??? I remember hearing about how far off in cow country it is, and blah, blah blah, but it's like 5 minutes down the freeway from downtown! I don't get it. I live in Fresno where everything seems to be 15 hours away from each other so I was shocked when I found out that ARCO really isn't out in the "boonies" like I was led to believe. And if that's the "boonies" you all Sac people don't even know the meaning of the word. ;) Anyway, what's the problem with the site where ARCO is now? Whether that be for a new fairgrounds/entertainment district, or home of a new sports arena.
 
#22
@Lowen: Absolutely, what better city than Vegas. I know it's a tourist and party city but I am sure that people from all over the states could stop by and watch a Kings game while in town, it gives good entertainment at night before people all head out to the clubs/bars etc. I like the idea, I wouldn't be mad at all if it happens, I would make frequent trips to Vegas for sure.
The only problem I see is that a good portion of the money NBA teams make is off of season ticket holders. Vegas has too many other entertainment options out there so I can see many reasons why it would be hard to maintain a franchise. Franchises are built with hardcore and dedicated fan bases and a fairly frivolous town like Vegas might not be able to provide something even remotely close to that. I could see luxury suites as an easy sell but filling out the arena on a nightly basis might be hard. Not even to mention the way Vegas has changed the last couple of years back into satan town USA and the kind of economic horrors their facing out there these days.
 
#23
About 70-80% of the mortgages in Vegas are underwater. If you're looking for a local population with pocket money; it ain't there.

The only problem I see is that a good portion of the money NBA teams make is off of season ticket holders. Vegas has too many other entertainment options out there so I can see many reasons why it would be hard to maintain a franchise. Franchises are built with hardcore and dedicated fan bases and a fairly frivolous town like Vegas might not be able to provide something even remotely close to that. I could see luxury suites as an easy sell but filling out the arena on a nightly basis might be hard. Not even to mention the way Vegas has changed the last couple of years back into satan town USA and the kind of economic horrors their facing out there these days.
 
#24
This type of stuff are just unheard of here in Europe.. I mean a team packing thier bags and leave? thats just so wierd.

I hope it doesn't happen just for all the nice longtime kings fans in Sac.. it's just heartbreaking.
It's actually supposed to happen next year with Efes Pilsen, after the Turkish government banned companies that sell alcohol from sponsoring sports teams. If I recall correctly, they are leaving for Slovenia or Serbia.
 

Warhawk

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#25
About 70-80% of the mortgages in Vegas are underwater. If you're looking for a local population with pocket money; it ain't there.
Um, being underwater has no bearing on pocket money. I can live in a house I bought on a 30-year loan for $100,000 and make $2 million a year. If the house value drops to $90,000 and I owe $95,000, did I suddenly lose my spending $$$? It's only a problem if you are trying to sell.
 

CruzDude

Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
#26
Sacramento is the state capitol situated in Northern California but the vast majority of politicians there are from southern California, home of the big-time Lakers and their winning ways. The Kings, Warriors and Clips are the poorer step children of the Lakers in the biggest state (population wise) loaded/overloaded with pro sports. So no support from politicians (fan or team supportwise) can really be expected. Fan wise, my guess is that more than half of season ticket holders and the overall fan base is from outside of Sacramento city and county. Heck, we lived in Nevada County whe we had season tickets!

The point here is that the Kings suffer from a factually small local (Sacramento city/county) fan, business and political support base in the very city where they play. Fan support over the years has come from a very wide geographical base (Placer, Yolo and El Dorado counties) as the only game in town. And with few big corporations headquarteed here the luxury box draw wasn't there. When the economy went in the tank starting in 2007/08 the major worker base of Kings fans were hit hardest across the spectrum of area businesses. No politicians lost their jobs from the economy meltdown, other than those voted out of office by disgruntled voters.

The Maloof's are the single best things ever to happen to the Kings. They have gone to every height, every corner and every possible source of money to try to keep the Kings in Sacramento. They are small town folk originally from Las Vegas, New Mexico and then Albuquerque and have an appreciation for Sacramento and the unique problems they face compounded by the large population of politicians and lobbyists who dont't care one bit about our Kings.

If funding is found, the Kings stay. If not, the Kings can go to the finals yet still have to move. The NBA is first and foremost a business and a business has to make money. The Sacramento environs, in the current economy make that more difficult than we all would want. I hope the Kings stay in Sacramento forever and begin winning championships.
 
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kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#27
The only problem I see is that a good portion of the money NBA teams make is off of season ticket holders. Vegas has too many other entertainment options out there so I can see many reasons why it would be hard to maintain a franchise. Franchises are built with hardcore and dedicated fan bases and a fairly frivolous town like Vegas might not be able to provide something even remotely close to that. I could see luxury suites as an easy sell but filling out the arena on a nightly basis might be hard. Not even to mention the way Vegas has changed the last couple of years back into satan town USA and the kind of economic horrors their facing out there these days.
Good point, I didn't think of it that way. People come and go in that city, and the people that do live there, well who knows how big they are on having a franchise, it might do the city some good, who knows. I also would not mind Kansas City, it's another small market as well, but like I said earlier...I think if this team absolutely HAS to move, I'd rather it be out of the state of California so we can have our own city and not worry about it being Laker Nation or what not.
 
#28
1 thing i noticed in the kings website and in the nba website is that they really post only good news and not
bad news like this one i was suprised to find it on a israeli website but nothing in the kings site
 
#30
I've been wanting to ask this for awhile now, what's the big deal with the ARCO site??? I remember hearing about how far off in cow country it is, and blah, blah blah, but it's like 5 minutes down the freeway from downtown! I don't get it. I live in Fresno where everything seems to be 15 hours away from each other so I was shocked when I found out that ARCO really isn't out in the "boonies" like I was led to believe. And if that's the "boonies" you all Sac people don't even know the meaning of the word. ;) Anyway, what's the problem with the site where ARCO is now? Whether that be for a new fairgrounds/entertainment district, or home of a new sports arena.
Actually, when Arco was first built, it was pretty empty out there. Development has been stalled more than once for flood/levee issues in that part of the county. But it is only minutes from downtown and there is a LOT more development near it now.

Nothing is wrong with the location of the land actually. The problem is there is no way to raise money to finance a new arena on that site, without a huge government subsidy of some source. like municipal bonds, hotel/rental car tax, restaurant tax, sales tax increase, etc. Those have all been porposed with resounding noes in Sacramento. What they are trying to do with the last proposals (with Cal Expo, the convergence plan and now with viosionquest/others) is lure in a developer who will build an arena in exchange for be able to development some land and make there money from the development, e.g., housing, retail, commercial, theme park.

The whole thing might have been easier and certainly less costly, if Arco Arena could have been remodeled. However, consultants, including sopme for the city, have all concluded that the foundation will not support the upgrades that would be need. Arco was built on the super-cheap. The Palace of Auburn Hills, which has been renovated, was built the same year as Arco. Arco's cost was half that of the Palace. That is a ginormous difference in cost for projects of that size.

Does that answer your question?

Edit: Vegas is pretty much an extension of the LA market. They're pretty much Laker fans down there and only a relatively short drive from the LA area. Anyway, they don't seem to be getting an arena built either, at least not right now.
 
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