Hoopsworld says Monroe to the Kings
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While there's logic in your reasoning, there's also a distinct difference between scenarios. Last year Petrie made a statement that everyone chose to ignore. He said the Kings wouldn't draft any Player that couldn't play for the Kings in the upcoming season. That all but guaranteed that the Kings wouldn't pick Rubio. Also in Rubio's one workout, apparently he didn't impress the Kings staff very much. The opposite is true with Cousins. I'm not saying that your wrong, but I'm betting that the Kings go for the best talent.
True but that doesn't have any effect on the decision making process. So I don't think its much use in predicting what will actually happen.
I think Capt Fact's main point is that those who are going to throw up need to relax a little and make some peace with the idea. Because based off speculation (Kings like him maybe more than Cousins) and the facts (two workouts) Monroe is obviously a real possibility.
I think Capt Fact's main point is that those who are going to throw up need to relax a little and make some peace with the idea. Because based off speculation (Kings like him maybe more than Cousins) and the facts (two workouts) Monroe is obviously a real possibility.
I keep seeing that, too. Has me scratching my head. 
In my opinion, I don't think that you NOT draft Wesley Johnson because you have the triumverate of Garcia/Casspi/Greene there right now.
Whiteside had two workouts as well and no body is worrying about us picking him.
Petrie said he liked 6 guys if i remember rightly i assume thats spread over the 2 picks.
I fear Monroe is the pick; If we improve next season i think it'll be down to the impact of Dalembert rather than Monroe.
he doesn't dominate and he'll probably be stepping out throwing up long mid rangers.
Petrie said he liked 6 guys if i remember rightly i assume thats spread over the 2 picks.
I fear Monroe is the pick; If we improve next season i think it'll be down to the impact of Dalembert rather than Monroe.
he doesn't dominate and he'll probably be stepping out throwing up long mid rangers.
Tyreke Evans is already on record as endorsing DeMarcus Cousins. He hasn't endorsed anyone else in this draft. Since drafting Evans we've already got rid of Hawes, Nocioni, and Martin for Landry and Dalembert. Considering how highly everyone related to the Kings front office or coaching staff talk about Tyreke Evans, I have to believe his opinion on the matter will be weighed heavily. If Monroe and Cousins are both there, we're not going to risk pissing off our franchise player by taking Monroe. I don't see it happening. And if it does happen, oh boy, it's not just going to be the fans who are upset this year.
Of course if Cousins is off the board already than all bets are off. And so we hope and pray...
Of course if Cousins is off the board already than all bets are off. And so we hope and pray...
According to Chad Ford's twitter:
"Another strong workout for Cousins in NJ today vs. Favors. He shot the lights out again. From what I gather it's now a toss-up in NJ @ 3"
ugh, this draft is going to be a tough one to watch...
Heres a write up about the workout-
http://www.thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=515
"Another strong workout for Cousins in NJ today vs. Favors. He shot the lights out again. From what I gather it's now a toss-up in NJ @ 3"
ugh, this draft is going to be a tough one to watch...
Heres a write up about the workout-
http://www.thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=515
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Let's try not to exaggerate here. Your statement, taken literally (using 1/3 instead of the actual value of 68.7%), says that per minute Cousins was over three times as productive as Monroe. Not remotely.
Per-40, pace-adjusted, Cousins: 24.5 pts, 15.9 reb, 2.9 blk, 1.6 ast
Per-40, pace-adjusted, Monroe: 19.0 pts, 11.3 reb, 1.8 blk, 4.4 ast
Cousins had better numbers, but try to be in the right ballpark when comparing the two.
Per-40, pace-adjusted, Cousins: 24.5 pts, 15.9 reb, 2.9 blk, 1.6 ast
Per-40, pace-adjusted, Monroe: 19.0 pts, 11.3 reb, 1.8 blk, 4.4 ast
Cousins had better numbers, but try to be in the right ballpark when comparing the two.
Well, we could hope that the 76ers take Favors, letting Turner fall to the Nets.
Anyways...we just traded a top 10 pick, still on his rookie deal, for a backup C/expiring contract. The worst part? It was a good deal for us. Even worse yet? He was more physically gifted and skilled than Monroe. We just got rid of a big softy...one that we hoped would 'get it' year after year. He didn't 'get it', because he's soft. I don't want to go through that experience again, especially with a player that has less potential than Hawes.
Anyways...we just traded a top 10 pick, still on his rookie deal, for a backup C/expiring contract. The worst part? It was a good deal for us. Even worse yet? He was more physically gifted and skilled than Monroe. We just got rid of a big softy...one that we hoped would 'get it' year after year. He didn't 'get it', because he's soft. I don't want to go through that experience again, especially with a player that has less potential than Hawes.
No player stacks up well to Cousins because Cousins was one of the most productive per minute players in recent college basketball history. However Monroe did foul less in more minutes, and of course the minutes. You can't do anything from the bench and its a good thing Monroe played 34 mpg, and a minus that Cousins played 23 mpg.
Monroe was mere fractions away from leading his team in every single counting stat: points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks. This was a very good team in a very tough league and he carried them as a 19 year old. I still think Cousins will be better, but anyone saying Monroe's performance "wasn't up to par" doesn't know what they are talking about.
Monroe was mere fractions away from leading his team in every single counting stat: points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks. This was a very good team in a very tough league and he carried them as a 19 year old. I still think Cousins will be better, but anyone saying Monroe's performance "wasn't up to par" doesn't know what they are talking about.
I just curious where the speculation comes from. I've heard nothing from Petrie or any Kings official that they're in love with Monroe. I hear most of that from pundits on the east coast, or from other teams pr dept. Petrie was almost asked point blank on Grants show, what was the deciding factor when a player is very talented and is known to have other issues. Petrie sort of danced around the isssue by saying that sometimes you can get an entirely different impression of a player when you go out into a relaxed atmosphere of a resturant and sit around an just chat about things over dinner.
Jerry Reynolds on the rise guys show said that every team would love to draft nice guys, but if a player is talented enough you can live with a some immaturity problems. As I've said before, I'm not a big Monroe fan. But if the Kings pick him then I'll live with it and hope like hell that I'm wrong and they're right.
Jerry Reynolds on the rise guys show said that every team would love to draft nice guys, but if a player is talented enough you can live with a some immaturity problems. As I've said before, I'm not a big Monroe fan. But if the Kings pick him then I'll live with it and hope like hell that I'm wrong and they're right.
Well with Cousins you're looking at a guy who might be the most talented player in this draft. He has the talent to be a franchise center. If he somehow falls to us, that would be a godsend. With Monroe you're looking at a typical lottery big -- very good at some things, questionable at others and lacking in either size or athleticism (in his case, the latter). It's really hard to get excited about Monroe with Cousins right over there dominating.
But giving Monroe his due, his talent at passing the ball is something you can't teach. Georgetown players don't usually put up numbers that compare favorably to other prospects because of the way they play. They're slow and deliberate and they like to get a lot of players involved. I don't have any problem saying that he's a better player than Hawes, now and in the future. And he will be a valuable part of an NBA team as long as that team is willing to get him the ball and let him make decisions. It's an interesting option for us because it basically means there'd be another play maker out there for the offense to work around.
At best he's a complimentary piece on a good team though, not a franchise cornerstone. For example, Lamar Odom was basically an afterthought on this year's Lakers team. That's the tradeoff when you get a player like that who's key strength is "versatility". He can help your team in a lot of ways, but he's not good enough at any one thing to be a guy you're going to gameplan around. So we're only getting marginally better at a time when we really need to be acquiring that #2 option. If Tyreke and company continue to improve, we may not get another top 5 pick for a long time.
What bothers me the most about the Greg Monroe at 5 rumor though is that it really sets us up as the suckers in this draft. What it looks like right now is that Minnesota and New Jersey are both in a position to make big moves and we're left out in the cold because we've shown our hand too early. That may not be the case, but that's how it appears. Favors, Cousins, and Johnson should all be in play for 3 through 5 and we might have a shot at Favors or Cousins if we're willing to deal. Settling for Monroe and seeing Golden State or Detroit make the deal we wouldn't make would be incredibly depressing.
But giving Monroe his due, his talent at passing the ball is something you can't teach. Georgetown players don't usually put up numbers that compare favorably to other prospects because of the way they play. They're slow and deliberate and they like to get a lot of players involved. I don't have any problem saying that he's a better player than Hawes, now and in the future. And he will be a valuable part of an NBA team as long as that team is willing to get him the ball and let him make decisions. It's an interesting option for us because it basically means there'd be another play maker out there for the offense to work around.
At best he's a complimentary piece on a good team though, not a franchise cornerstone. For example, Lamar Odom was basically an afterthought on this year's Lakers team. That's the tradeoff when you get a player like that who's key strength is "versatility". He can help your team in a lot of ways, but he's not good enough at any one thing to be a guy you're going to gameplan around. So we're only getting marginally better at a time when we really need to be acquiring that #2 option. If Tyreke and company continue to improve, we may not get another top 5 pick for a long time.
What bothers me the most about the Greg Monroe at 5 rumor though is that it really sets us up as the suckers in this draft. What it looks like right now is that Minnesota and New Jersey are both in a position to make big moves and we're left out in the cold because we've shown our hand too early. That may not be the case, but that's how it appears. Favors, Cousins, and Johnson should all be in play for 3 through 5 and we might have a shot at Favors or Cousins if we're willing to deal. Settling for Monroe and seeing Golden State or Detroit make the deal we wouldn't make would be incredibly depressing.
If we draft Monroe with Cousins on the board I'm going to explode on draft day.
So far I've heard nothing from the Kings about the last Monroe workout. But it didn't sound good that the Warriors reported that Samhan out played Monroe in their meeting the next day. Its not like the Kings to say anything bad about a player, but they have been known to say good things. They certainly pointed out that Cousins had a good workout. So read into it what you want, by the Kings saying nothing about Monroe's last workout.
As an aside, I hope they invite Samham to play on the summer league team. I really like the kid and he's breath of fresh air when interviewed.
As an aside, I hope they invite Samham to play on the summer league team. I really like the kid and he's breath of fresh air when interviewed.
Ehhh I wouldn't call him Brad Miller.. He is a mix between a few players and Brad Miller might be one of them though. He's probably a role player at best though. I can see a 15ppg 8rpg 3apg 0.5bpg career. Just good enough to stay in the starting lineup on a fringe playoff team. He's not tough enough to make it as a star in the league. He lacks the killer instinct, and the attitude that goes with it. Monroe is soft..
But that being said if Cousins is gone he is the player I want because there is that small chance he could be a decent player and prove all the haters wrong. So I am kind of torn..
Bottom line for me though, the more I like Cousins the less I like Monroe..
Hmmm, lets see now:
Cousins is best Big but has some buts....
Detroit wants Cousins but he won't be there at 7
Monroe is a 4 not a 5
Kings really need a dedicated center
Kings/Petrie might prefer Aldrich or Orton or Whiteside to backup Dalembert
Kings could trade down to DET at 7, get Prince (scorer) and #7 for their #5
Kings need some shooter/scorers particularly from 3pt range (2nd rounders)
somehow a draft day trade goes down involving the Kings getting a scorer and a center they like to backup Dalembert in first round. After that, bring on summer league.
Cousins is best Big but has some buts....
Detroit wants Cousins but he won't be there at 7
Monroe is a 4 not a 5
Kings really need a dedicated center
Kings/Petrie might prefer Aldrich or Orton or Whiteside to backup Dalembert
Kings could trade down to DET at 7, get Prince (scorer) and #7 for their #5
Kings need some shooter/scorers particularly from 3pt range (2nd rounders)
somehow a draft day trade goes down involving the Kings getting a scorer and a center they like to backup Dalembert in first round. After that, bring on summer league.
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Not to be a wiseass, but the speculation comes from the people who are speculating like the title of this thread ....
...I just meant there are numerous outlets who've reported that sources have told them the Kings might like Monroe over Cousins. The Hoopsworld guy says he "has it on good authority", Ford said "Sources say Kings had Monroe ranked higher, but Cousins workout might give them pause"...Maybe their sources are bogus, but that's why I said its speculation and not fact like the two workouts he's had.
Either way, the point is that Monroe is clearly in contention whether you and others like it or not. Could be first, second, or third, who really knows?...But if you had to bet your house in Baja on who the Kings will get and you could say two names, wouldn't Monroe be one of them?
.......I just meant there are numerous outlets who've reported that sources have told them the Kings might like Monroe over Cousins. The Hoopsworld guy says he "has it on good authority", Ford said "Sources say Kings had Monroe ranked higher, but Cousins workout might give them pause"...Maybe their sources are bogus, but that's why I said its speculation and not fact like the two workouts he's had.
Either way, the point is that Monroe is clearly in contention whether you and others like it or not. Could be first, second, or third, who really knows?...But if you had to bet your house in Baja on who the Kings will get and you could say two names, wouldn't Monroe be one of them?
I had meant in 2/3 the time - just FYI.
Either way, Cousins is MUCH more productive in the right categories (rebounds and blocks).
Pick the most dominant big men in the NBA right now or over the past 15 years. Go back and look at their college production and compare against the above. You tell me whose numbers translate out to better NBA production.
Either way, Cousins is MUCH more productive in the right categories (rebounds and blocks).
Pick the most dominant big men in the NBA right now or over the past 15 years. Go back and look at their college production and compare against the above. You tell me whose numbers translate out to better NBA production.