Grades v. Thunder 03/10

What surprised you most tonight?

  • Kevin, benched for the 4th

    Votes: 30 44.1%
  • Nocioni, airballing the wide open shot to send it to OT

    Votes: 22 32.4%
  • Getting our butt handed to us by Malik Rose

    Votes: 5 7.4%
  • Jason, ineffective again

    Votes: 11 16.2%

  • Total voters
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Bricklayer

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Whew!

Okay...now if the Clippers can just somehow pull out the miracle against the Cavs, we will have largely made up for the embarrasing Denver gaffe, and can look forward to the showdown vs. the Wizards next week as an opportunity to really seize control again.

Theme theme theme theme...have three in the hopper that require some research before I break them out, need something that does not....hmmm...got it (piggybakcing on some independent research I did recently): Fun With Astronomy (Things You Maybe Didn't Know About Our Solar Neighborhood)

Nocioni ( B ) -- was fairly quiet to start this one again at SF. Got worked over by Malik Rose in the latter part of the first after moving to PF, but his hustle plays down the stretch of the first half brought us back. Played some bad defense on the not quite offensive juggernaught Kyle Weaver in the third, but after being popped over to PF again when Jason left began to really get into Jeff Green on defense where Thompson could not and took away the Thunder's #1 weapon on the night. Thoroughly flustered Green and caused him to all of a sudden turn into a turnover machine -- looked like an All Star against Jason, a flustered kid against Noc. But Noc got a little wild down the stretch trying to win the game for us, and it hurt us. Amazingly had the chance to pay the hero at the end and ended up the goat -- got himself a wide open side pop to tie the game up and send it to OT with 3 seconds to go (his man had fallen down, this was WIDE open) and damn near airballed it. How you like that for tanking OKC? Ha!

Pluto -- (the above picture showing an artist's conception of what a bitterly cold little ball it must be with the sun so far distant) Wasn't quite sure how to start this theme, because its all interrelated, so I decided to start with what is already fairly well known. Pluto, the erstwhile 9th planet, famously demoted a few years ago (yes for all you not so kids who grew up with 9 planets, your kids will tell you there are only 8). Pluto sits 50 AU away from the sun (an AU means "astronomical unit" and = the distance from the Earth to the sun, so 50 AU = 50x as far from the sun) and takes nearly 250 years to complete its orbit (so a Pluto "year" is 250 years long.

Thompson ( D ) -- continued his late fade here with a sloppy game where he also got lit up. In the early going was bouncing around inside on the glass but getting little done. The only hoop was an open dunk the result of a nice behind the back feed by Spencer. Largely got his *** handed to him again by Jeff Green (who lit him up last time they met too) in the first half and threw in a batch of sloppy turnovers down the stretch of the half as well. Was unable to turn things in the third, and with Noc so effective pestering Green, Jason was given the opportunity to go sit down and keep Kevin company for the entire 4th quarter.

So what happened to Pluto as a planet? Well this was part of it. Pluto is really small. Its smaller than our moon in fact. In fact its smaller than most of the big moons in the known solar system. The picture above shows Pluto as the pink/orange ball at the bottom right, compared to and smaller than Ganymede, Titan, Calisto (across the top -- moons of Jupiter and Saturn), Io, the moon, Europa, and Triton (across the bottom -- moons of Jupiter, Earth and Neptune).

Hawes ( A- ) -- Spencer's 2nd 20pt game in a row, and his first ever 20-10 game. A good sign for us even as our other young big struggled and raises questions. And unlike last game, when he flukily hit three threes to start the game to power the 20pts, this one was much more solid. Got of to the quick start againstr Krstic -- just too big and too long for him. Was a major factor early, but then was kind of forgotten about, and Robert Swift of all peope held him down for a while. Took a hard fall in the second quarter when he went paratrooping on Jeff Green and upended himself. Came down out of the air face first and tried to catch himself -- good way to break a wrist. I know. I've done it. Rather stupidly gunned a long shot next time down the floor for an airball. Immediately after a big fall that must leave you sore? Duh. In fact one fo the few duhs for Spencer tongiht was the unfortunate encouragement his three point spree from the Denver game gave him -- shot 10-19 on the night, but it would have been 10-16 had he not chosen to chuck up three bricked threes as well. I halfway expected him to stiffen up at halftime and maybe even have to sit out the 2nd half, but he was back out and showing no ill effects. Immediately caused more problems for the Thunder with the jumper, which was just on. But after a long night of dominating the matchup with Krstic all game, he got a little sloppy, got into foul trouble, and lost control of Krstic down the stretch as Nenad set a career high for rebounding and just waded inside for key finishes to hold us off. That., combined with generally sloppy ballhandling, and illegal screen, and several other mental errors for turnovers amke the minus here. Otherwise this was one fo the stronger games we have seen from Spencer.

Eris -- a bigger problem for Pluto's planethood emerged in 2005, with the discovery of a big ole rock named Eris. Eris is way out. WAY out. Pluto is 50 AU out -- Eris is nearly 100 AU out. And its bigger than Pluto. Quite a bit bigger -- closer to the size of our moon. When it was discovered there was initially some thought of calling it the 10th planet, but because we now realize there could be a lot more things of that size out there (see below) we decided to just strip all the objects fo that size of planet status instead. Eris has a hugel elliptical orbit BTW (a big oval rather than a circle). Its so far out it takes it nearly 600 years for a single orbit, but at its closest it will actually get in closer than Pluto. If any of you happen to be awake some night in 2257 you will probably be able to spot it with a backyard telescope.

Martin ( C+ ) -- well this was an odd one -- started promisingly, but ended in controversy. Got off to the slow start on offense, but was once again more active on defense putting to rest any of the 'he can't" school of thought on his defense (he was just being lazy and/or selfish). Good work on the defensive glass too, coming back to help. This was again entirely an effort/attitude change, nothing more. It was game 2 of Kevin as a good teammate ratehr than a prima donna. Came on in the second quarter to get his customary 12pts in a half, but it too was different than the nromal routine. The points were more timely, more what the team needed, and less of the one man "oh there goes Kevin chucking/flopping again" routine. So it was all going well, and then...everything just pretty much dried up in the third -- he had 12pts and 6rebs at half. He had 12pts 6rebs and one really not smart turnover leading to a dunk by the end of the third. Shot 0-3 in the quarter, and Thabo Sefalosha, despite being bigger/slower, really began to get the better of him. Which all led up to the controversial part -- kevin did not play int he 4th. Not one minute. He was playing poorly after half, McCants and Garcia were playing well, we were makign a run (Kevin ended up once again with the lowest +/- on the team) and he just never returned. Natt said it was because Kevin told him the ankle stiffened up. Kevin did not talk to the media, but sent a text emssage instead saying he would support the decisions but wish he had played. The conspiracy theorists will all no doubt say "tanking!". But in any case....there it was. My biggest thing is just that for a half, Kevin was where we need him to be going into the future. So whatever else this meant, you just hope he does not draw the wrong lesson from this and drift back to the soft, selfish flopaholic all offensive ways as a way to guarantee his minutes.

Kuiper Belt -- once upon a time when Pluto was first discovered (circa 1930) the Solar System was thought of as a relatively tidy place. There were 9 planets, an asteroid belt, some random comets, and that was it. Well, its nto. And our increasing ability to see out into space was the final nail for Pluto as planet. Hence, the Kuiper Belt. The Kuiper Belt, named after a 1950's astronomer who hypothesized its existence (actually he thought it had once existed in the past but had been dispersed by today, but they still gave his name to it), is a huge scattered ring of smaller objects, kind of like the rings aroudn Saturn, except way out there around the sun. Pluto is part of the Kuiper Belt -- the Belt generally lies from 30 AU to 55 AU out there (remember, Pluto is 50 AU), but one of the things that lost it its plannthood is that there are a lot of objects out there nearly as big. The computer model above shws all the ones they have mapped since the belt was discovered in 1992 (over 1000) and many many more are expected to be found. No huge ones are postulated, and they seem to be mostly great balls of ice rather than rock, but its a vast stable system of little planetoids out there beyond Neptune. We now have a space explorere headed out there named New Horizons, due to reach Pluto in 2015, and then to hopefully move on to another obejct out there afterwards (target undecided yet). Here's another thing -- not only do other stars have planets...they probably all have Kuiper Belts too. Billions of stars in billions of galaxies with dozens if not hundreds of planetoids apiece...we small.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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BJax ( C+ ) -- quiet early minutes aside from one good defensive stand on Westbrook that led to a turnover. Obviously a Westbrook wipeout for most of the half, with Bobby just passing the ball off for the occasional assist But he set a few people up, including Cisco for the game tying shot at the first half buzzer. Hit back to back shots in the early third, one a three, the other a layup, to bring us back close again as the Thunder fell asleep on him. Did not lead anywhere though, and he lost a long stretch of minutes to a surprisingly effective Will Solomon in the late 3rd and through most of the 4th. Finally got back in with 3 minutes to go only to get passed some of the goathorns himself. Beaten by Westborook for the game icer with 38 seconds to go, and then caught Noc's airballed game tying attempt underneath the hoop with 3 seconds to go and mysteriously decided to pull the Kevin, flailing his arms upward and looking for the foul bailout. Did not get it, and resulted in a turnover instead as the ball flew out of bounds.

The Scattered Disk -- Neptune is a bully (the picture above is of Neptune's moon, Triton). That basically explains the enxt phenomenon, the scattered disk. Neptune is about 15x as massive as Earth, and in the early days of the solar system after it started moving outward (it now sits about 30 AUs out) it really screwed with the orbits of anything it encountered on its journey. Anything that big flings around the Plutos of the universe like toys. And so it is Neptune that defines both the Kuiper Belt (which is all the objects scattered out beyond Neptune in a stable orbit) as well as the scattered disk, which is a vast number of objects that were probably once part of the Kuiper Belt that got flung into bizaarre highly elliptical orbits once the big bully arrived on the block. This scattered disk includes the would be 10th planet Eris, stretches form about 30-100 AU way out into space, and is thought to be the source of many of the shorter term comets we see. Its an unstable place of disrupted orbits, and given time, things out there will run into each other. Neptune's moon Titan, itself bigger than Pluto, is thought to be one of the scattered disk objects that Neptune captured with its gravity and made into a moon.

Cisco ( B+ ) -- had another quiet first half, although did come up with a couple of deflections inside. Also launched a Cisco special brainfart three from 30 feet with lots of time on the shotclock. But after the whole lot of nothing for most of the first half Bobby set him up for a game tying three pointer just before the halftime buzzer. Set the tone for another one of his dangerous second halves -- Cisco is not very bright, and he likes to hit big shots. And pose. And drama queen it, and all that sort of stuff. In general, he's not one to miss a chance to inject some drama into any situation. And so coming on strong down the stretch of a must lose game for us is right up his ally. Began to get it rolling at the end of the third after he entered for an ineffective Jason. Hit a shot, made a turnover, beagn to favor the hand, but with Cicso you never know -- predictably the hand was magically better when he hit a three a minute later in the early 4th. Was a major part of the 4th quarter bench crew that kept Kevin Jason and Bobby pinned to the bench while we threatened to win it. Missed almost nothing, and shot 4-5 from 4pt land. Then almost did the unforgiveable as he hit the three with 35 seconds to go to bring us back within 2 and keep us alive. Fortunately the saavy veteran Noc turned back the push with his timely airball, otherwise...

Oort Cloud -- (note Sedna in the diagram is the most distant Pluto-class planetoid we know about at this point, being used for reference to show distance). And now we get to the still speculative fringe. Earth is 95 million miles from the Sun. Neptune is 30 times that far. Pluto is 50 times that far. Eris is 100 times that far. Vast unimaginable distances all. Adn then there is the Oort cloud. We're pretty sure its out there. We just can't see it. Yet. Remember the Kuiper Belt? 30 to 55 AU out there? The Oort Cloud stretches from maybe 1000 (Inner Oort Cloud) to 50,000 AU out there. 50,000 AU = almost a light year. And yet objects come visiting us from way out there. Haley's Comet was once thought to have been an Oort cloud object. And we think there are literally BILLIONS of objects scattered way out there, loosely attached to the sun. Remember what I said about the solar system not being tidy? Its the furthest reaches of the furthest reaches of the solar system. Nearly 1/4 of the way to the nearest star. Distant debris, cometoids...and there may be bigger things as well...

Solomon ( B- ) -- Played a solid if unspectacular game. Better than the numbers probably. Looked steady after entering for Bobby in the first half. And then took over for Bobby in the 4th and did not let him return until the game was almost over, playing mostly solid ball, hittting a few shots, setting a few guys up (including one nice drive and dish along the baseline to Hawes I think it was. Not sure how much he was really bothering Westbrook, but he (Westbrook) was decidedly pedestrian during most of the 4th, turning the ball over and not much of a factor with his offense.

Nemesis -- spooky name for what was a spooky concept. Back in 1984 a couple of scientists examining the fossil record made an interesting discovery -- its a bad day for life on this planet about ever 26 million years. Semi-regularly we get splatted, and on at least a couple of occassions we're pretty sure its big ole rocks from space raining on our head. Almost everything dies. The survivors move on to repopulate the planet. But why does it happen on that regular interval (don't worry BTW, the last time was maybe only 6 million years ago, so we've got a bit of a wait before this is a problem again)? Well their possible explanation was Nemesis -- we've got this great Oort cloud of debris and planetoids and cometoids and everythign else lazily drifting out there in the distant reaches of our expanded solar system...what if something big, heavy, and unfriendly happened to pass on by? Wouldn't that grab a bunch fo those objects, send them flying out of their normal orbits, and careening willy nilly through our solar system? Be a real good way to get the inner planets bombed by big rocks. And so if it keeps on happening again and again and again at regular intervals...well that begins to look like a regular visitor doesn't it? The theory is maybe a red or brown dwarf (very dim stars) ever so loosely circling us, and ever 25 million years or so it swings in close, disrupts large heavy rocky things floating out there, and a few years later its bombs away down here as we have a really bad day. They have not yet found it though, and it may not exist. But its maybe the most famous of the next set of theories to follow.

McCants ( B- ) -- into the game and immediately turned it over on a miuscommunication, aggressive, but very sloppy, tried to turn it over again, quickly picked up 3 fouls, and sat out the rest of the half with 6 points in 3 minutes of action. But was back for the 4th, and it went considerbaly better. Followed Cisco's three in the early 4th with a two point jumper of his own to draw us back to within 2, and was part of a defensively scrappy screw of benchers who kept us in a scrum until the final whistle. Finished it off by hitting what should have been a meaningless three to pull us back within 1 with only 1 second to go..until the Thunder made a last ditch effort to give us the game and turned over their inbounds pass. Fortunately not quite enough time for us to do anything though.

Planet X -- Planet X has been around for a long time as a theory. Powered many an old school scifi epic. What it sprang from originally was a mismeasurement -- basically the orbit of Uranus could not quite be explained by the mass of Neptune. Something was missing. Calculations suggested that that something was another big planet somewhere out in the dark. In fact the search for and discovery of Pluto was originally a search for "Planet X", and they were disappointed when they realized it was not larger. The search went on and on until finally in the early 90s they got better data on Neptune, realized that it was slightly smaller than they had thought, and that slight difference made the numbers work out and explained Uranus's orbit. But now, as we have begun to see all the hundreds and thousands of new objects out there, the theory has sprung back to life. Remember Sedna? The distant Pluto-type planetoid used in the diagram for the Oort cloud? Well, its orbit, 12,000 years long BTW, does not make sense unless there is something else out there. Something big. And when you have some of these objects with 12,000 year orbits, we've come to realize that there are a LOT of them that are probably a long long way out right now that have yet to be discovered. There is also a rather abrupt and mysterious "Kuiper cliff" where the Kuiper belt ends that might be explainable if there is another planet out there that basically cleans out anything beyond that point -- soemthing Neptune expelled perhaps. The Nemesis theory has new life as the suggestion that some of the long period comets we see can best be explained by a gaint Jupiter class planet, or maybe a brown dwarf hidden deep in our Oort cloud. And one of the popular theories on the solar system's early days, the oligarch theory, suggests that there might once have been hundreds of planets -- current models suggesting that the ones that did not get captured might have been thrown out into distant orbits 1000s of AUs into the Oort cloud, and taking millions of years per orbit. Anyway, we are just getting started knowing this stuff, and the mystery of what if is half the fun.
 
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Warhawk

Give blood and save a life!
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Theme theme theme theme...have three in the hopper that require some research before I break them out, need something that does not....hmmm...got it (piggybakcing on some independent research I did recently): Fun With Astronomy (Things You Maybe Didn't Know About Our Solar Neighborhood)

grades will come...
That you have rings around Uranus?

I know, I know, I'm sorry. Really. But it had to be said. :D
 

6th

Homer Fan Since 1985
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Sweet! Don't get me wrong, I like the pretty girls editions, but I'm happy to geek out on some science for a change. Thanks, Brick...

Dear Science Teacher...errrrr D Mass, if you want anything to be even a little serious about the aforementioned "science," you may want to help Brick out a little. :p ;)
 

Warhawk

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:eek:

I'm sure there are a couple of fascinating stories explaining both how the rings got there and how you found out about them...

But I think I'm okay never hearing them.
No, you misunderstood - see the question mark? It is an inquisitive statement, not a declarative one. ;)
 

rainmaker

Hall of Famer
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About time we became seriously concerned, too. He might need to sit a couple of weeks, for safety reasons, of course.
Natt said Kevin's ankle was stiff after he rolled it in the 2nd quarter. But Kevin said he was good to go and wanted to play in the 4th. Anything brewing here?
 
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GAME OF THE YEAR! The Kings get the important L and the Thunder get a W (also benefits the Kings lotto odds)... and the Kings lost by 1 point! It is the best kind of loss possible.
 
#15
Honestly, Kevin's ankle hasn't been good most of the season. He may want to play, but I see no point in his playing now. I'd rather see him shut it down and get a start on doing whatever is necessary to get that ankle right for next year. I can't help wondering if it's ultimately going to take surgery. If so, then do it now.
 

CruzDude

Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
#18
Think maybe you should have put Eris info for JT's review: big elliptical orbit, really far away........ poor kid, has hit the real rookie wall.
 
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Natt hasn't sat anyone that has been injured. He has been single minded in his desire to get wins & secure his future. No he plays Martin 31mins. but can't get him into the 4th quarter. And, Bobby has been saying he only wanted limited mins. since preseason. But, Natt plays him 35+ mins, since Beno went out,and he cant get PT in the 4th quarter. BULL

Call me a conspiracy theorists if you like, this was a francise wide tank. The coach, the players, & even the announcers and analysists were in on it. Why else would no one question why Martin wasn't in the game, or check with the trainer on Martin's condition prior to Natt's statement after the game that Martin stiffened up.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#20
I actually hope it is a franchise-wide conspiracy, a wink-wink, nudge-nudge if you will. And I'm perfectly fine with them not announcing it as such...

It is, if true, just another indication that they finally get it, and that the light at the end of the tunnel might NOT be a locomotive coming at us at full speed.

Sherman on, brave Kings!

:)
 
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This kind of stuff is cool. Do you just copy what web sites say and put them in your own words or do you really have knowledge and most of these subjects?
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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This kind of stuff is cool. Do you just copy what web sites say and put them in your own words or do you really have knowledge and most of these subjects?

Oh...probably somehwere in between I suppose. I think the best way to put it is that for most of the stuff I use as themes, I am an interested layman. I am not an astronomer but I have an interest, read the stories when things pop up, in this case had just got done doing some research on the outer solar system a few weeks back, and so have a pretty good feel for it. I get many of the details from various sites, but generally I know where to look and what I am looking for.

Just taking Eris for example -- I knew that Eris had been discovered a few years back (not sure I would have guessed 2005, might have said 2003), knew it had briefly been hailed as a 10th planet. Knew it was part of the reason Pluto got demoted. Knew it was bigger than Pluto, but not by how much exactly. Knew it was further out than Pluto, but again not how far exactly. Think I knew it had an elliptical orbit, but I had kind of forgotten that, and also wasn't sure whether it was part of the Kuiper Belt (which I knew about) or the scattered disk (which the elliptical orbit would have indicated). Knew that it must have a long orbit being so far out, but did not know it was 600 years, or that it would be closest in 2257. So...a combination of my knowledge, and what I quickly pick up looking to fill it out.
 
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Entity

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a few differences in this theme and the girls theme. For 1 I actually read info under the picture of this theme. 2nd I don't feel as perverted staring at the planet pictures as I do just staring at the girls.
 
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That you have rings around Uranus?

I know, I know, I'm sorry. Really. But it had to be said. :D
Since Brick is a B movie buff, I'll take this opportunity to point out one of the most hilariously bad lines in the realm of sci-fi. In Hercules vs The Moon Men, we are given forewarning of invading aliens by the presence of "an aura of evil emanating from Uranus." I'm sure it sounded better in the original Italian.
 

6th

Homer Fan Since 1985
#30
Not necessary at all! Brick posted some great stuff!
Lol...when Brick said, "Fun With Astronomy (Things You Maybe Didn't Know About Our Solar Neighborhood)," I was sure he was gonna do some goofy stuff, kinda like what Warhawk came up with. I was very pleasantly surprised that he really gave us a scientific, rather than goofy, theme. You never know his mood. :p

Brick, it was such a good job, I had to go back later to read the grades. I was totally immersed in the theme this time.
 
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