Potential Free agent/trade/sign tracker

[SacTownKid]

Man these rumors suck. Please dont trade Carter for Cam Johnson.

The only thing I can think is how? On draft night, the rumors were 13 for either Kuz or Cam. Almost like it was a done deal. Then Carter dropped and both deals were sunk. There's no way with less incentive than ever to gamble on a decent but not a great player like Cam would that deal make sense now.

Also, considering the source of the rumor we'll see. He also said the Grizz were sending a 1st for DFS and then bang, not nearly close to the value he reported, lol.

 

[The_Jamal]

The only thing I can think is how? On draft night, the rumors were 13 for either Kuz or Cam. Almost like it was a done deal. Then Carter dropped and both deals were sunk. There's no way with less incentive than ever to gamble on a decent but not a great player like Cam would that deal make sense now.

Also, considering the source of the rumor we'll see. He also said the Grizz were sending a 1st for DFS and then bang, not nearly close to the value he reported, lol.

Yeah context is everything. If the Kings were 19-14, the current 6 seed, we hadn't heard all these rumblings about Fox and his future... maybe that's when you take the shot and deal Carter for a Cam Johnson. Because you've shown that 1. The team is good NOW and has a real shot to win a playoff series and 2. You're not worried your franchise player may or may not be looking for greener pastures.

As is though, we've dug ourselves a 4.5 foot hole to start the season. Not quite 6 feet under, but we're pretty dang close and one more 2 week slip-up and this season is done. I also think Carter's skill-set just flat out fixes a bunch of problems we currently have and fills a tremendous need on the defensive end.

Basically, Kings got 18 more games to "prove" they're worthy of further investment. Can't do anything until that happens.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1874920433541316610

Sharpe is a nice young big and if fox leaves we would get picks from his deal regardless. But if Cam and Carter help spark us Fox would probably resign

 

[Joshyjosh31]

For the a trade to happen, the other team has to agree to it. Do you think Kuzma is enough to sway Fox? I sure don't.

I'd rather a fresh start, than to mortgage the future with a group of core players that is not a contender

Fox wants to win nba players aren’t like fans I doubt fox thinks Kuzma is terrible. We get Kuzma for Huerter and second round picks you take the deal and take a chance on Kuzma being more productive here

 

[The_Jamal]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1874920433541316610

Sharpe is a nice young big and if fox leaves we would get picks from his deal regardless. But if Cam and Carter help spark us Fox would probably resign

I like Sharpe and I love Cam Johnson, but you just cannot make a deal like this (too much value from our end anyway) with our current team scenario. This is mortgaging the rest of our future

 

[SacTownKid]

Yeah context is everything. If the Kings were 19-14, the current 6 seed, we hadn't heard all these rumblings about Fox and his future... maybe that's when you take the shot and deal Carter for a Cam Johnson. Because you've shown that 1. The team is good NOW and has a real shot to win a playoff series and 2. You're not worried your franchise player may or may not be looking for greener pastures.

As is though, we've dug ourselves a 4.5 foot hole to start the season. Not quite 6 feet under, but we're pretty dang close and one more 2 week slip-up and this season is done. I also think Carter's skill-set just flat out fixes a bunch of problems we currently have and fills a tremendous need on the defensive end.

Basically, Kings got 18 more games to "prove" they're worthy of further investment. Can't do anything until that happens.

Maybe, but I'm firmly in the camp of Carters upside and rookie contract control over any nearing 30 higher level role player. Which Cam is. I don't think Cam puts this team over the top whatsoever at any point if you're taking steps back to make a deal. Kevin/filler/Picks? I can kind of see since you're not necessarily bleeding talent right away. If Cam comes to the Kings he's moving back down to being a 12-14 PPG player, bank on it. Then if wins aren't at contender level then Monte is done because that's his last move to make. Cam's pull up numbers are a bit higher than Keegans but he's usually right in that same range. I don't think having another system guy is the answer unless they bring elite defense or elite athletic ability which Cam doesn't. He's like a better version of Keegan offensively at this point.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1874920433541316610

Sharpe is a nice young big and if fox leaves we would get picks from his deal regardless. But if Cam and Carter help spark us Fox would probably resign

Our 2026 FRP is encumbered and our 2028 SRP is already gone. So the people who devised this trade were clearly looking into the situation carefully before making their proposal.

 

[SacTownKid]

Fox wants to win nba players aren’t like fans I doubt fox thinks Kuzma is terrible. We get Kuzma for Huerter and second round picks you take the deal and take a chance on Kuzma being more productive here

If Fox wants to win? He might want to wait and see what Carter brings. His "tools" are winning tools. Cams? He can help, but totally different potential molds. That deal would be ridiculous. If you take Carter out it might be close. MIGHT be close. I've seen ridiculous things like Carter and 2 first rounders for Cam. Any team that gives that up for him is stupid and they better at least be a Cam away from actual contending.

If Monte is being forced to make a move for Fox, he better be slinging Carter, Keegan, and 3 picks for a legit star. Everything else is just playing games of inches. The better game of inches to play is wait until the summer. See how things went and look at the MLE market. There are legit options potentially where you can either use your MLE or a non super valuable sign and trade.

This Sidery guy is clearly tied into the Nets FO somehow, or getting fed things to drum up a better market. Let someone else bite on that one again, haha.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Yeah context is everything. If the Kings were 19-14, the current 6 seed, we hadn't heard all these rumblings about Fox and his future... maybe that's when you take the shot and deal Carter for a Cam Johnson. Because you've shown that 1. The team is good NOW and has a real shot to win a playoff series and 2. You're not worried your franchise player may or may not be looking for greener pastures.

As is though, we've dug ourselves a 4.5 foot hole to start the season. Not quite 6 feet under, but we're pretty dang close and one more 2 week slip-up and this season is done. I also think Carter's skill-set just flat out fixes a bunch of problems we currently have and fills a tremendous need on the defensive end.

Basically, Kings got 18 more games to "prove" they're worthy of further investment. Can't do anything until that happens.

If the objective is to retain Fox, what will it take for us to get him to re-sign? Is it first round appearance? Advance to the second round? Or is it show that we are heading in the right direction with play style, coach and improve on our record from now. Let’s say we finish 42-40 and miss the play-in. That would mean we finished the last stretch of the season 6 games over .500. Is that enough? Hopefully the meeting with Paul gave some clarity. The reality is if Fox wants to be here, he might be willing to sign even if we don’t don’t make the playoffs as long as we are trying to improve because he can still ask to be traded once he signs an extension. If he expects a playoff run this year, then you probably see how the next 3 weeks go and if it’s not looking good you move him now.

I’m a yes for moving one first round pick and a no on multiple picks or Carter

 

[iowamcnabb]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1873520424145007065

 

[Hoovtrain]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1874920433541316610

Sharpe is a nice young big and if fox leaves we would get picks from his deal regardless. But if Cam and Carter help spark us Fox would probably resign

Absolutely not. Cam is a fine player, but that’s absurd for a guy who may not even move the needle

 

[iowamcnabb]

This Sidery guy is clearly tied into the Nets FO somehow, or getting fed things to drum up a better market. Let someone else bite on that one again, haha.

Evan does a nice job with his posts but I’m not a 100 percent sure he is an insider or if he is just posting second hand info. He often sights the Athletic in his tweets. Maybe he is reading the same things we are but just presenting them in his own way? He works for Forbes which is based out of Indy and has covered the Suns recently. I’m not saying he doesn’t know anything but it’s also a possibility haha

 

[iowamcnabb]

If the Nets don’t view Kev as an asset is like to find a third team that does. If we give up a first and one second and a third team chips in another second rounder that’s more than enough for Cam imo.

 

[SacTownKid]

Evan does a nice job with his posts but I’m not a 100 percent sure he is an insider or if he is just posting second hand info. He often sights the Athletic in his tweets. Maybe he is reading the same things we are but just presenting them in his own way? He works for Forbes which is based out of Indy and has covered the Suns recently. I’m not saying he doesn’t know anything but it’s also a possibility haha

Yeah, he might have no sources considering the Grizz/DFS stuff was from Stein I think. However, his add on's are always the prime value the Nets will get which seems a little odd. First it was a first round pick from the Grizz and now it's Carter from the Kings. I would be flabbergasted if that trade went down now. If Monte was that high on Cam he needed to make that move on draft night. Not now. I still have faith that Monte knows why he didn't make that move then and still has a plan. I would figure that Monte sees Carter as worth more than a future 1st at this point because he had deals on the table for 13. The chances of Monte getting a player to drop like Hali and Carter did isn't an every year thing, and if the Kings are in the running for a top pick then this not only costs him his job but prohibits a lot of potential replacements since the Kings pushed in youth and pick chips to still not win big.

 

[twslam07]

Sticking with my theme of trying to trade for players without giving up our young guys or 1st round picks (e.g., Dorian Finney-Smith, Larry Nance, Zach Collins, John Collins, Robert Williams, etc.), let me offer up another option…Tobias Harris.

He’s obviously not my 1st choice, but he would…

• Help balance the roster since we’d be swapping Huerter+ for a SF/PF
• Help our floor spacing since he’s been a good shooter throughout his career
• Give us another player who can give us some scoring & creation in case the offense stalls or he has a mismatch he can exploit
• Gives us another decent defender at the forward spot. He’s no Keegan on that end of the floor but he’s around average defensively (similar to Cam Johnson)
• Bring another excellent locker room presence as he has a great reputation as a high character guy.

As far as the specifics of the trade, we could make the salary work by doing one of the following…

1. Huerter and any 2 man combination from the following players: Jordan McLaughlin, Colby Jones, Doug McDermott, Orlando Robinson, & Alex Len
2. Huerter and Lyles

I’m sure we’d need to add at least one 2nd to get them to bite, but if we go with the first option and send out Huerter, Robinson, and McDermott, we would have a roster of…

PG - Fox / Monk / McLaughlin
SG - Ellis / Carter / Jones
SF - DeRozan / Harris
PF - Murray / Lyles / Crowder
C - Sabonis / Len / Jones

And Harris has 1 more year on his deal which allows us to use his salary in a bigger trade (e.g., Markkanen) during the 2025 off-season if we so choose.

 

[macadocious]

Have you watched Tobias Harris play recently?

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Have you watched Tobias Harris play recently?

and every other team will say "have you seen Huerter play recently"

 

[twslam07]

Have you watched Tobias Harris play recently?

I think I’ve seen him play 3 times this year so I’m not going to pretend like I have been following him super closely. However, his advanced impact stats are not bad. We could do much worse for a backup forward…like Huerter

 

[Jdbraver137]

Derozan for butler?

 

[SacTownKid]

Derozan for butler?

Seems awfully lateral at this point. Mid 30's isn't what it used to be but at the end of the day Butler has to realize his best years are behind him.

 

[iowamcnabb]

He would whine and moan is way out of Sac in a year haha

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Derozan for butler?

I’ll never support ***** behavior and he should be getting fined isn’t what he’s doing point shaving anyways

 

[iowamcnabb]

Another 3 team deal. Atlanta gets a chance to resurrect Kevs career and a replacement for Nance Jr who is hurt. They want to get something for Capela’s expiring deal. Nets clear even more money off the books and get a first rounder from us, a second rounder from us and a second rounder from Atlanta.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Another 3 team deal. Atlanta gets a chance to resurrect Kevs career and a replacement for Nance Jr who is hurt. They want to get something for Capela’s expiring deal. Nets clear even more money off the books and get a first rounder from us, a second rounder from us and a second rounder from Atlanta.

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If Hunter is available I’d rather cut out the middle man and just grab him he can defender bigger wings better than Cam. We could make this years pick too three protected and send Atlanta a couple of seconds

 

[iowamcnabb]

If Hunter is available I’d rather cut out the middle man and just grab him he can defender bigger wings better than Cam. We could make this years pick too three protected and send Atlanta a couple of seconds

I don’t think Atlanta would do that since they are unexpectedly competing for the playoffs and he has been their third or fourth best player. They need to find something useful for that Capela contract.

 

[coolhandluke]

Derozan for butler?

Imagine Fox and Butler together -- two guys who can't always find joy in playing basketball.

 

[Stan.Helsing]

Trying to think up something out of the box, is there a 4-team trade that could be made which sends...

• Josh Giddey, Deni Avdija and Cam Johnson to the Kings.
• Fox to the Bulls.
• Someone and/or something to the Trailblazers.
• Someone and/or something to the Nets?

The goal is to create an over-sized starting/closing 5 with Forwards.

G: Giddey....... Monk
F: Murray........ Ellis
F: Cam........... DDR
F: Avdija......... Lyles
C: Sabonis..... Len, Robinson

I'm wondering if this squad could be a Top 4 team in the NBA. There are options to defend the best players on every team. For ex:

vs Warriors... Monk instead of Giddey
vs OKC or Minny... Ellis instead of either Cam or Murray.
vs Dallas... Cam, Murray and Avdija switching on Luka.
vs Bucks... Avdija takes on Giannis.
vs Celtics... Avdija, Cam and Murray switching on Tatum and Brown.

And so on and so forth. The question will be if they can score enough points.

If this team gets to the WC Semis, then anything could happen from there onward.

 

[serbiangoat]

Miami get Brooks/Adams/Sheppard + pick
Kings get Jabari Smith
Rockets get Butler and Keegan Murray

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1875067431267520979

yessss, drive that value down!

 

[Tetsujin]

Brett Siegel says we’re in on Bruce Brown if we don’t get a Cam Johnson deal done which is interesting because Bruce Brown is really good when healthy but the Kings literally drafted a younger potentially better version of him this summer.