Potential Free agent/trade/sign tracker
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I find myself going back and forth in regards to adding Cam Johnson. In order for a trade to work financially it likely has to be Kev/Trey or Kev/Devin. Would we start Cam? If so, you still don’t have any bench wing depth and you now have Keon, Devin and Monk fighting for minutes off the bench. If you trade Devin you are risking him turning into a game changing defensive culture changer. It also leaves us thin at back up center.
If the trade is Lyle’s, Huerter, and two firsts for
Cam and Sharpe I would start Cam over Derozan and even monk but I doubt we go either route and have Cam off the bench which is fine. Cam has the size to play back up PF in this era so a bench of Ellis, Carter, Cam, and Sharpe is very good very good defense and shooting. Ellis and Carter probably play 15-18 mpg untill Derozan is moved to the bench next year.
The best move to me is a starting lineup of Fox, Monk, Cam, Keegan, and Sabonis. The offense would almost be unstoppable plugging in Cam’s 40% elite shooting and we would surround monk and Sabonis with another capable wing defender. Derozan would be an elite scorer vs second units and get the benefits of ellis/carter defensively
Cam and Sharpe I would start Cam over Derozan and even monk but I doubt we go either route and have Cam off the bench which is fine. Cam has the size to play back up PF in this era so a bench of Ellis, Carter, Cam, and Sharpe is very good very good defense and shooting. Ellis and Carter probably play 15-18 mpg untill Derozan is moved to the bench next year.
The best move to me is a starting lineup of Fox, Monk, Cam, Keegan, and Sabonis. The offense would almost be unstoppable plugging in Cam’s 40% elite shooting and we would surround monk and Sabonis with another capable wing defender. Derozan would be an elite scorer vs second units and get the benefits of ellis/carter defensively
Oh interesting. The sites I checked may just account for salary matching, while spotrac’s seems to flag an issue with the tax here. Are the Kings hard capped because they did a sign and trade? I don’t think they used the full non taxpayer MLE, is that right? I used to enjoy geeking out over the cap rules, but they’ve gotten so complicated, and arguably counterproductive (the Warriors somehow can keep adding guys) that it’s not fun anymore.
I think something might be wrong with Spotrac’s trade machine.
We are hard capped at the 1st apron due to the S&T for DeRozan, but we are not quite at the 1st apron yet. I believe we’re $5.9 mil under the 1st apron which would allow us to take back $5.9 mil more in salary than we’re sending out.
In fact, I think a Huerter for Johnson swap is legal without including any other players as Johnson’s salary is only $5.6 mil more than Huerter (and we have $5.9 mil to work with). I just tried a Huerter for Johnson trade on Fanspo’s trade machine (which I really like personally) and it says it’s legal.
I tried executing the same trade in Spotrac’s trade machine and it says it is not legal because we can’t take back any more salary than we are sending out (which I disagree with based on my understanding of the CBA). I also just tested Lyles for Nance in Spotrac’s trade machine (which has us taking back $3+ mil more than what we’re sending out) and it says it’s legal. How can Spotrac’s trade machine be okay with us taking back more money in a trade for Nance but then say we can’t take back more money when trading for Johnson? Doesn’t make sense to me.
I think Spotrac’s trade machine is still working out the kinks.
We are hard capped at the 1st apron due to the S&T for DeRozan, but we are not quite at the 1st apron yet. I believe we’re $5.9 mil under the 1st apron which would allow us to take back $5.9 mil more in salary than we’re sending out.
In fact, I think a Huerter for Johnson swap is legal without including any other players as Johnson’s salary is only $5.6 mil more than Huerter (and we have $5.9 mil to work with). I just tried a Huerter for Johnson trade on Fanspo’s trade machine (which I really like personally) and it says it’s legal.
I tried executing the same trade in Spotrac’s trade machine and it says it is not legal because we can’t take back any more salary than we are sending out (which I disagree with based on my understanding of the CBA). I also just tested Lyles for Nance in Spotrac’s trade machine (which has us taking back $3+ mil more than what we’re sending out) and it says it’s legal. How can Spotrac’s trade machine be okay with us taking back more money in a trade for Nance but then say we can’t take back more money when trading for Johnson? Doesn’t make sense to me.
I think Spotrac’s trade machine is still working out the kinks.
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The quote was including Carter, not picks + Carter.
They're likely going to have to sweeten the deal for Brooklyn to want in. Otherwise, why would a rebuilding Nets team want Huerter and Lyles for Cam Johnson?
I'm not in favor of this proposed trade with Carter, because I think he will be better than Johnson.....and like Murray, Johnson's best spot is the 3. Wait till you can you find someone who fits and their best spot is at the 4. Otherwise keep your best young talent for now and look to move Huerter in another deal
They're likely going to have to sweeten the deal for Brooklyn to want in. Otherwise, why would a rebuilding Nets team want Huerter and Lyles for Cam Johnson?
I'm not in favor of this proposed trade with Carter, because I think he will be better than Johnson.....and like Murray, Johnson's best spot is the 3. Wait till you can you find someone who fits and their best spot is at the 4. Otherwise keep your best young talent for now and look to move Huerter in another deal
Pretty sure that 5.9 mil was before the McDermott signing. maybe Spotrac isn’t including that because it’s not fully guaranteed and they have a decision on that coming up?
The other thing it could be is I heard Keith Smith say that Cam has some unlikely bonuses built into his contract that would have an impact on apron teams trying to trade for him. He said the total salary was something like 27 mil that would have to be factored into a trade I believe.
The other thing it could be is I heard Keith Smith say that Cam has some unlikely bonuses built into his contract that would have an impact on apron teams trying to trade for him. He said the total salary was something like 27 mil that would have to be factored into a trade I believe.
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Keith Smith would need to provide clarity on this but I think we have to include Lyles due to the incentives in Cams contract. The Nets would have no use for Trey so I can’t see why they would just throw him in unless it was required. I agree though, better hope Craw or J can play or you are in trouble. Or hope PJ Tucker gets bought out and you can sign him (assuming we are below the first apron)
Also, what happens if Devin Carter is a less offense more defense version of Tyrese Maxey and Fox requests a trade this summer? Carter could be anything from a high end starter to a role playing bench piece. We just can’t know, but I’d like to find out a little more before shipping him. The kings have lacked physicality for nearly 20 years and we finally have a few guys that can bring it. Let’s see it first
That’s fair. I was just thinking that the price for Kuzma may be pretty low, so it could be worth considering, but I’m generally not a fan for a number of reasons. That said, if there’s a way to swap Huerter for a PF/SF type at a low cost, I’d be intrigued just from a roster balance standpoint (especially with Carter coming soon).
Yeah, our window is really tight here to figure out a direction. Making a move right now would be silly, but if we rifle off like a 12-6 stretch until the trade deadline? Which would put us at 14-7 in the Christie era? Ok, that's when the team has "proven" to have more investment in this core.
But the absolute worst idea would be to sink more future assets right now into a Jerami Grant or Cam Johnson and the team wins 7 games from now till the trade deadline.
But the absolute worst idea would be to sink more future assets right now into a Jerami Grant or Cam Johnson and the team wins 7 games from now till the trade deadline.
I think you may be right. His salary + any incentives (even unlikely incentives) might be what is being considered from a trade perspective which is…annoying 
I had to thread the needle on a trade proposal to put that theory to the test. I did Huerter & Carter for Johnson and it says it’s legal. Huerter & Carter make a combined $21.519 mil while Johnson makes $22 mil. So in this scenario, the trade machine IS allowing us to take in more salary than we’re sending, but if we use the $27 mil number for Johnson (salary + incentives), it adds another $5.481 mil to be counted against the 1st apron. We have $5.9 mil to spare before we hit the 1st apron so the trade would be legal.
In summary, I do think the incentives are being factored in as it relates to the salary. I don’t know if that is technically correct but I’d take Keith Smart’s word over me.
I had to thread the needle on a trade proposal to put that theory to the test. I did Huerter & Carter for Johnson and it says it’s legal. Huerter & Carter make a combined $21.519 mil while Johnson makes $22 mil. So in this scenario, the trade machine IS allowing us to take in more salary than we’re sending, but if we use the $27 mil number for Johnson (salary + incentives), it adds another $5.481 mil to be counted against the 1st apron. We have $5.9 mil to spare before we hit the 1st apron so the trade would be legal.
In summary, I do think the incentives are being factored in as it relates to the salary. I don’t know if that is technically correct but I’d take Keith Smart’s word over me.
I feel like Kev/Trey is worlds apart from Kev/Devin. If Monte moves Devin for a non real mover talent wise and Devin lives up to his potential on either end, welcome to trouble Monte. Your time might be short. To me the only option for Monte is salary/pick. Which personally, I wouldn't touch either. Not yet at least.