At least we always have the moral high ground! (2022-2023 L2M Report Thread)

I think they do this because they have a cumulative season total that can get you suspended. I do think that should have been flagrant though. I mean, he literally took 2 hands and shoved that dude right into his own player.
That's an interesting question, skimming through https://official.nba.com/rule-no-12-fouls-and-penalties/#flagrantfouls, I wasn't seeing anything about a fine being levied for a flagrant foul 1 (compared to a technical foul or an ejection)
 

pdxKingsFan

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No reason the NBA can’t go back through the game videos and assess flagrant foul points/totals to individuals who hammer Sabonis on the head. I mean, the refs won’t call fouls to protect him but WTF.
It always feels kinda crappy (usually a soccer thing) when guys get retroactively punished and then a team that beats you might be disadvantaged against a team you need to lose to maintain your spot in the standings.
 

Capt. Factorial

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I'm not going to go to the effort of verifying those numbers, but assuming they are correct...

Net calls in team's favor in final two minutes per close game (by NBA admission):
Lakers: +0.42
Warriors: +0.33
Celtics: -0.05 (approximate, number of close games not listed, calculated for 20 close games, will be ~0 at any rate)
T'Wolves: -0.07
Pelicans: -0.11
Bulls: -0.17
Jazz: -0.24
Kings: -0.45

Now, there's 22 more teams, so we can't say for sure we're getting hosed the worst...but from among the teams listed we're nearly twice as hosed as the next-worst team.
 
It appears that the refs have doubled down on the "we're not fixing games, we're just incompetent" defense. You know the addiction is strong when you had to falsify calls on the L2M reports.
 
It makes me wonder if the NBA has the fix in and it’s not like they haven’t done it before.
is there more to certain highly rated free agents not coming here because they no longer could travel with impunity. Or they would look more normal and not get the foul calls their way anymore.
And make sure you collude with all the channels to not have our games on for the general public to witness their actions.
Most of us remember the hosing we got years ago and the stink still hasn’t gone away.

If we make the playoffs do we really believe if and when we happen to make the a deep run we won’t get shafted. as there is no way no matter how good we are They would let us go to a championship game because it would not let them make the dollars a golden state vs Celtics series would.
 

dude12

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I'm not going to go to the effort of verifying those numbers, but assuming they are correct...

Net calls in team's favor in final two minutes per close game (by NBA admission):
Lakers: +0.42
Warriors: +0.33
Celtics: -0.05 (approximate, number of close games not listed, calculated for 20 close games, will be ~0 at any rate)
T'Wolves: -0.07
Pelicans: -0.11
Bulls: -0.17
Jazz: -0.24
Kings: -0.45

Now, there's 22 more teams, so we can't say for sure we're getting hosed the worst...but from among the teams listed we're nearly twice as hosed as the next-worst team.
But I was told that we shouldn’t focus on the referees
 

pdxKingsFan

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Need to go back a couple of years to see if there is any consistency. But it is not at all surprising to see both LA teams and GS in the top 3 spots.
Early in the season someone did for the Kings at least one, maybe two years back. We were consistently hosed. I think it's clearly unconscious bias at best and a conscious bias at worst. And probably it truly is somewhere in the middle.
 
So we have tangible proof on the last 2 minutes of close games.

Now go back and do the previous 46 minutes.
I truly believe there is justification for legal action against the NBA here when you look at how much money is involved over the short and long term in winning/losing records. Surely there’s some NBA rule against this, but it would be a heckuva PR stink if a team chose to start that conversation…