ESPN: George Karl fired (edited title)

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Bricklayer said:
Nets Interested In Ettore Messina, Ime Udoka, Jeff Van Gundy
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Not surprised that Sean Marks is considering Udoka. Was around him a lot with the Spurs and of course Marks' Cal education means he must be brilliant. And witty. And good looking, just like all of us Berkeley grads.

The Kings could/should be in a better position than the Nets going forward but the Marks connection, the bigger market and the team being bad but not a national joke/raging tire fire of a franchise would mean either Messina or Udoka would be a near lock to pick the Nets if both Brooklyn and Sacramento were in competition for their services.

That and quite honestly I think coaching Cousins is a net negative for a prospective coach.

I still have Udoka at the top of my list but I think it's far more likely he either gets offered and accepts the Nets job or stays in his current role with the Spurs rather than trying his luck in Sacramento.

I guess we'll see how persuasive Vlade is and how well he can lay out his vision to prospective coaching candidates.
 
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People underestimate Cousins' influence on these coaches. He's such a great talent, but he's a hothead. Some coaches would want to avoid players like him... I honestly don't see why David Blatt would consider the Kings after his stint with Lebron. This is Cousins' team right now, and if Cousins doesn't like him, there's a big chance he's out.

I know many people here don't like Jackson, but he's a great player's coach. I see him bonding very well with Cousins. Would you take a player's coach over a real coach for your franchise player? This coaching hire has to be for at least 4 years. The Kings can't afford to fire anyone else... if they do, we'll have to start interviewing the Sacramento Hornet's coaches.
 
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People underestimate Cousins' influence on these coaches. He's such a great talent, but he's a hothead. Some coaches would want to avoid players like him... I honestly don't see why David Blatt would consider the Kings after his stint with Lebron. This is Cousins' team right now, and if Cousins doesn't like him, there's a big chance he's out.

I know many people here don't like Jackson, but he's a great player's coach. I see him bonding very well with Cousins. Would you take a player's coach over a real coach for your franchise player? This coaching hire has to be for at least 4 years. The Kings can't afford to fire anyone else... if they do, we'll have to start interviewing the Sacramento Hornet's coaches.
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Mark Jackson created division in the GS organization. That alone makes him not seem like a Vlade hire to me.
 
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I would think because of ownership, Messina might have a leg up on the Brooklyn chase. On the other hand I would think Marks might be more comfortable with Udoka. Messina is a big ego guy. Also why he'd be a complete disaster for us.

Udoka connections = played here, and have to remember Vlade went to Pop for some on the run GMing advice. If Vlade went back to Pop again and asked for a vouch on Udoka, it might go two ways.

Blatt connections could be Vlade and especially could be Casspi.

Brooks connections are obvious since he's from the area and coached here.

McHale connections = big man coach of course, and actually played against Vlade. Old big man combatants.

Thibodeau connections are coached both Cuz and Rudy at FIBA, Bels and Rondo earlier (and won a title with him) and was back here for some defensive advice a month ago.

Vinny connections are of course that he played here.

Mark Jackson connections areo f course perhaps Vivek related. But did sound like he had a man crush on Cousin during the last telecast.
 
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Kevin McHale has gained strong traction within the Kings organization, league sources tell @TheVertical. Kings intrigued w/Cousins fit.

Hmm, thats an interesting name, makes sense if Cousins is staying. McHale will knows how to get the best of a dominant big man.
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If we can't get Thibs or Brooks, Mchale is an interesting option in all ways. Not a home run. but he won 50 the last two years with the Rockets, he's an all time big that is going to get Cuz, he's coming form a place of having coached egos, and played with egos. And he and Vlade played against each other in Vlade's early days and McHale's final days and might have an instant chemistry of their own with a similar outlook on things. I just wish I understood why he hasn't gotten more out of his teams defensively. He's a great interview or analyst. He was a great individual defender. Yet...

And was the Houston junkball his idea or Morey's?

P.S. Will have to say that after taking a look at the DRTGs in his 4 full years in Houston they were better than expected or perceived, and were on a definite uptick:

11-12 19th
12-13 16th
13-14 13th
14-15 8th
 
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George Karl was a bad fit, if not a bad coach. At least in this instance. That's not to take away from any of his past accomplishments. I certainly respect his past history, but the truth is, he was a bad fit. Now as an organization you can either admit your mistake, bite the bullet and move on, or you can continue on with the soap opera that was this past season. When you make a big mistake, you can't sneak out the back door. The best way, is own up to your mistake, take the hits, and then hopefully, not make the same mistakes in the future.

Lets remember, Vlade was responsible for none of this. He didn't hire Karl, and although he's tainted by the situation, I think he deserves the right to make the choices, if he's going to be held responsible going forward. The facts are, this wasn't just about the conflict between Karl and Cousins. A lot of the players on the team were in conflict with the coach, they just wern't as public about it. While players disagreeing with the coach in not an unusual thing, it becomes more relevant when the team is underachieving. You can't fire the entire team.

Karl came to the Kings with a reputation as a tinkerer. Everywhere he's coached, he's tried to change the personnel, and to a large extent, he's been successful. But what separates good coaches from great one's, is the ability to adapt to the personnel you have. The older Karl has gotten, the more rigid he has become. He operates from the premise, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. He believes his way is the right way, and maybe on another team with different personnel, it might be. But it wasn't happening here, and the soap opera had to stop.
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Do people on this board know something I don't? The team won more games than in 8 years despite a ridiculous season where the coach was practically fired before it even started, then almost fired again. Not to mention injuries and players that tanked for part of the year. But the team still played well going to the end. Unlike last year when Corbin was here. There has been constant bashing here since early in the season of Karl. Almost as if there was a attempt to undermine him even from here. The front office never should have hired him. Who is going to come here with the current management style I don't know. I'm not very optimistic about this organization. I tell you that.
 
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If we can't get Thibs or Brooks, Mchale is an interesting option in all ways. Not a home run. but he won 50 the last two years with the Rockets, he's an all time big that is going to get Cuz, he's coming form a place of having coached egos, and played with egos. And he and Vlade played against each other in Vlade's early days and McHale's final days and might have an instant chemistry of their own with a similar outlook on things. I just wish I understood why he hasn't gotten more out of his teams defensively. He's a great interview or analyst. He was a great individual defender. Yet...

And was the Houston junkball his idea or Morey's?

P.S. Will have to say that after taking a look at the DRTGs in his 4 full years in Houston they were better than expected or perceived, and were on a definite uptick:

11-12 19th
12-13 16th
13-14 13th
14-15 8th
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I'm open to McHale Brick, I don't know how good his X's and O's are, but I like the fact he was an excellent big himself, has several rings, a hall of fame guy, has been around for a long time.
 
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Siranthony said:
Do people on this board know something I don't? The team won more games than in 8 years despite a ridiculous season where the coach was practically fired before it even started, then almost fired again. Not to mention injuries and players that tanked for part of the year. But the team still played well going to the end. Unlike last year when Corbin was here. There has been constant bashing here since early in the season of Karl. Almost as if there was a attempt to undermine him even from here. The front office never should have hired him. Who is going to come here with the current management style I don't know. I'm not very optimistic about this organization. I tell you that.
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You didn't see the junk gimmick defense we were playing? Open 3 after open 3?

The Big Fella Cuz out on the perimeter and playing for pace?

Do you need more than that?
 
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I would think because of ownership, Messina might have a leg up on the Brooklyn chase. On the other hand I would think Marks might be more comfortable with Udoka. Messina is a big ego guy. Also why he'd be a complete disaster for us.

Udoka connections = played here, and have to remember Vlade went to Pop for some on the run GMing advice. If Vlade went back to Pop again and asked for a vouch on Udoka, it might go two ways.

Blatt connections could be Vlade and especially could be Casspi.

Brooks connections are obvious since he's from the area and coached here.

McHale connections = big man coach of course, and actually played against Vlade. Old big man combatants.

Thibodeau connections are coached both Cuz and Rudy at FIBA, Bels and Rondo earlier (and won a title with him) and was back here for some defensive advice a month ago.

Vinny connections are of course that he played here.

Mark Jackson connections areo f course perhaps Vivek related. But did sound like he had a man crush on Cousin during the last telecast.
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Vinny connections = my fond memory is connected to his deer in headlights look in the last 9 min of 35 points deficit comeback against the Bulls in 2009.
Since its another do or die season, hope the Kings sign a proven defense oriented coach that can utilize Cousins to his full strengths, not to gamble on some assistant or college HC prospect.
 
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funkykingston said:
Not surprised that Sean Marks is considering Udoka. Was around him a lot with the Spurs and of course Marks' Cal education means he must be brilliant. And witty. And good looking, just like all of us Berkeley grads.

The Kings could/should be in a better position than the Nets going forward but the Marks connection, the bigger market and the team being bad but not a national joke/raging tire fire of a franchise would mean either Messina or Udoka would be a near lock to pick the Nets if both Brooklyn and Sacramento were in competition for their services.

That and quite honestly I think coaching Cousins is a net negative for a prospective coach.

I still have Udoka at the top of my list but I think it's far more likely he either gets offered and accepts the Nets job or stays in his current role with the Spurs rather than trying his luck in Sacramento.

I guess we'll see how persuasive Vlade is and how well he can lay out his vision to prospective coaching candidates.
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Go Stanford! :rolleyes:
 
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Bricklayer said:
If we can't get Thibs or Brooks, Mchale is an interesting option in all ways. Not a home run. but he won 50 the last two years with the Rockets, he's an all time big that is going to get Cuz, he's coming form a place of having coached egos, and played with egos. And he and Vlade played against each other in Vlade's early days and McHale's final days and might have an instant chemistry of their own with a similar outlook on things. I just wish I understood why he hasn't gotten more out of his teams defensively. He's a great interview or analyst. He was a great individual defender. Yet...

And was the Houston junkball his idea or Morey's?

P.S. Will have to say that after taking a look at the DRTGs in his 4 full years in Houston they were better than expected or perceived, and were on a definite uptick:

11-12 19th
12-13 16th
13-14 13th
14-15 8th
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Harden's!
 
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Welp, the big names being out of the Sacto race should surprise no one. People were dreaming if a name like Thibs or even a Brooks would want to come here.

Our coaching list starts at the 5th or 6th best name on the market. This just isn't an attractive destination for any name coach
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Oh you mean coaches aren't just queuing up to coach DeMarcus Cousins? They're not all over the drama with Karl? I swear I've been told otherwise.
 
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Bricklayer said:
I would think because of ownership, Messina might have a leg up on the Brooklyn chase. On the other hand I would think Marks might be more comfortable with Udoka. Messina is a big ego guy. Also why he'd be a complete disaster for us.

Udoka connections = played here, and have to remember Vlade went to Pop for some on the run GMing advice. If Vlade went back to Pop again and asked for a vouch on Udoka, it might go two ways.

Blatt connections could be Vlade and especially could be Casspi.

Brooks connections are obvious since he's from the area and coached here.

McHale connections = big man coach of course, and actually played against Vlade. Old big man combatants.

Thibodeau connections are coached both Cuz and Rudy at FIBA, Bels and Rondo earlier (and won a title with him) and was back here for some defensive advice a month ago.

Vinny connections are of course that he played here.

Mark Jackson connections areo f course perhaps Vivek related. But did sound like he had a man crush on Cousin during the last telecast.
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Poor Pop losing an assistant every year or two. Spurs becoming the Kentucky of coaches
 
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Bricklayer said:
Oh please. Even Michael Malone, who got positively asked to pick up the soap, bounced back and had a new gig the very next season.

And Karl is just a mercy killing.
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Different circumstances

George will get offers if he wants to coach in the future, just on reputation and resume alone

Looking back, it probably would have been smart for him to avoid Sacramento. He learnt the hard way however. The cancer spreads. Easy cash though.
 
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