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I wish this solves our problems but in my opinion it's just been a symptom of a much deeper rooted problem. Most of you know I'm not thrilled with this move. I understand it, but I feel as though we never gave the respect a hall of fame coach deserves. Irrelevant of him as an individual, I think this sends a very bad message to all top coaches in the market.
We'll most likely have to settle for a middle tier coach. Despite what people have been saying here, George Karl is one of the most respected coaches in the league. This move to me is 1 step forward, 2 steps back. Understandable, but epitomizes what this franchise is, and what everyone including the media, sought after coaches and players think of us.
We'll most likely have to settle for a middle tier coach. Despite what people have been saying here, George Karl is one of the most respected coaches in the league. This move to me is 1 step forward, 2 steps back. Understandable, but epitomizes what this franchise is, and what everyone including the media, sought after coaches and players think of us.
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Thibs is definitely off the list of candidates. He's too high value and smarter than that to come here. We could get a Lionel Hollins. Mid-low tier market value coach. Had a nice stint in Memphis. Has the race locked down so he and Demarcus will probably be cool. Maybe Scott Brooks? Perhaps he might be a little too ambitious for us. He's no Pop, but he won't get in the way of Demarcus' ego so no dramas there. On court success is another issue.
This is a more traditional leak at least. Yesterday it leaked that Wittman was going to be fired by the Wiz. Finding that stuff out a day beforehand isn't the same sorts of constant he said, she said, so and so is unhappy, an unnamed source...stuff that has been going on for so long.
In any case, I'm glad its going to be quick. I'm hoping that means we make a quick offer to the next guy, and maybe already have somebody in mind. Try to get a jump on things while the playoff teams aren't in the running yet, and also set a tone for our offseason + if its a good enough name, maybe gain some stature amongst free agents.
In any case, I'm glad its going to be quick. I'm hoping that means we make a quick offer to the next guy, and maybe already have somebody in mind. Try to get a jump on things while the playoff teams aren't in the running yet, and also set a tone for our offseason + if its a good enough name, maybe gain some stature amongst free agents.
George Karl was a bad fit, if not a bad coach. At least in this instance. That's not to take away from any of his past accomplishments. I certainly respect his past history, but the truth is, he was a bad fit. Now as an organization you can either admit your mistake, bite the bullet and move on, or you can continue on with the soap opera that was this past season. When you make a big mistake, you can't sneak out the back door. The best way, is own up to your mistake, take the hits, and then hopefully, not make the same mistakes in the future.
Lets remember, Vlade was responsible for none of this. He didn't hire Karl, and although he's tainted by the situation, I think he deserves the right to make the choices, if he's going to be held responsible going forward. The facts are, this wasn't just about the conflict between Karl and Cousins. A lot of the players on the team were in conflict with the coach, they just wern't as public about it. While players disagreeing with the coach in not an unusual thing, it becomes more relevant when the team is underachieving. You can't fire the entire team.
Karl came to the Kings with a reputation as a tinkerer. Everywhere he's coached, he's tried to change the personnel, and to a large extent, he's been successful. But what separates good coaches from great one's, is the ability to adapt to the personnel you have. The older Karl has gotten, the more rigid he has become. He operates from the premise, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. He believes his way is the right way, and maybe on another team with different personnel, it might be. But it wasn't happening here, and the soap opera had to stop.
Lets remember, Vlade was responsible for none of this. He didn't hire Karl, and although he's tainted by the situation, I think he deserves the right to make the choices, if he's going to be held responsible going forward. The facts are, this wasn't just about the conflict between Karl and Cousins. A lot of the players on the team were in conflict with the coach, they just wern't as public about it. While players disagreeing with the coach in not an unusual thing, it becomes more relevant when the team is underachieving. You can't fire the entire team.
Karl came to the Kings with a reputation as a tinkerer. Everywhere he's coached, he's tried to change the personnel, and to a large extent, he's been successful. But what separates good coaches from great one's, is the ability to adapt to the personnel you have. The older Karl has gotten, the more rigid he has become. He operates from the premise, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. He believes his way is the right way, and maybe on another team with different personnel, it might be. But it wasn't happening here, and the soap opera had to stop.
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Not likely. Sacramento is a death trap for free agents and coaches. The high value ones will be smart and stay away. We might be able to throw some cash at some mid to low tier free agents, get the scraps after the big players go through. As for a coach, we definitely won't be getting the cream of the crop, that's for sure.
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I'm going to stop you right there, because you don't hire someone of his resume and reputation, and not let him run the show. The seeds of doubt were planted as soon as management didn't want to trade Cousins. It's what Karl wanted. We'll have to face this eventually, and on that day I'll enjoy telling everyone I told you so. He was probably promised a lot more than he got. The firing was justified, but don't act like we got to see the best George had to offer. After all, this is Sacramento. Where careers come to die.
Yeah, when Vivek was calling the shots.
The George Karl hiring was the last move Vivek made before Vlade arrived. That snakes head will be rolling within the next 24 hours. Rome wasn't built in a day. Let Vlade do his thing. Hire Morway, hire the right coach and turn this thing around. I know I shouldn't but I have a good feeling about this off season.
The Kings will be working from a list that will include Vinny Del Negro, Boston Celtics assistant Jay Larranaga, ex-Cleveland Cavaliers coach David Blatt, Atlanta Hawks assistant Kenny Atkinson and former Phoenix Suns coach Jeff Hornacek, sources said.
The Kings are unlikely to have success pursuing the top coaches on the market, which include Jeff Van Gundy, Tom Thibodeau and Scott Brooks.None of the three has interest in the Kings job, league sources said.
– via Yahoo! Sports
The Kings are unlikely to have success pursuing the top coaches on the market, which include Jeff Van Gundy, Tom Thibodeau and Scott Brooks.None of the three has interest in the Kings job, league sources said.
– via Yahoo! Sports
The NBA is a players league, not a coaches league, like the NFL.
You win with the Best Talent, not the Best Coaches.
It was a bad fit from the start. Coach Karl is a uptempo, small ball coach. The Kings had the most dominant big man in the NBA. The pieces never fit from the start.
But, you don't trade a top ten talent to satisfy an old, old school coach.
You fire the coach and build around your 25-26 yr old top ten talent!!!
You win with the Best Talent, not the Best Coaches.
It was a bad fit from the start. Coach Karl is a uptempo, small ball coach. The Kings had the most dominant big man in the NBA. The pieces never fit from the start.
But, you don't trade a top ten talent to satisfy an old, old school coach.
You fire the coach and build around your 25-26 yr old top ten talent!!!
I agree. The Kings need to resolve the head coaching position and the GM or assistant GM position quickly. Vlade, and the powers that be, would have to living in limbo to not have some candidates lined up for both positions. It's possible, and probable that they've already had conversations. The combine is only weeks away. (may 11th) Player workouts will begin soon, closely followed by the draft. ( june 23rd ) Then freeagency starts. Important decisions need to be made, so the sooner Vlade has his team together, and they all get on the same page, the better.
I think getting one of the perceived, top head coaching candidates may prove to be difficult. Regardless of how we may view George Karl, he's revered around the league, and the national perception is, he's been mistreated and abused. The truth doesn't matter, its all about perception. So Vlade may have to pull a rabbit out of the hat. I think it will either be a lead NBA assistant coach, a fired and yet unproven coach that wants and needs another chance ( Blatt anyone) , or an up coming, ambitious and creative college coach. Your guess is as good as mine. Hey, what's Musslehead doing now?
I think getting one of the perceived, top head coaching candidates may prove to be difficult. Regardless of how we may view George Karl, he's revered around the league, and the national perception is, he's been mistreated and abused. The truth doesn't matter, its all about perception. So Vlade may have to pull a rabbit out of the hat. I think it will either be a lead NBA assistant coach, a fired and yet unproven coach that wants and needs another chance ( Blatt anyone) , or an up coming, ambitious and creative college coach. Your guess is as good as mine. Hey, what's Musslehead doing now?
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Yep. Wow. We can't even get a chance at Scott Brooks.
I'd take Blatt out of that list. If he thought what he dealt with at Cleveland was bad.... I'll just leave it at that. No chance at Blatt.
One of those assistant coaches could be okay. Nothing to write home about. It'll be funny if we sign Del Negro
I'd take Blatt out of that list. If he thought what he dealt with at Cleveland was bad.... I'll just leave it at that. No chance at Blatt.
One of those assistant coaches could be okay. Nothing to write home about. It'll be funny if we sign Del Negro
Your explanation is a little too simplistic for me. You imply that the coach doesn't matter. That only the players and the talent level matter, but then you make the case that the Kings had the talent, had the players, but the coach screwed it up. Therefore, to these old eyes, the coach does matter. I will admit that regardless of the coach, you have to have the talent. But to win consistently, and become a contender, you need a very good coach. I think the coach has to fit the personnel, or vice versa, and the better the fit, and the better the talent, the better the team. It's simple, but yet complicated. Getting the exact right mix is part doing your homework, and part luck. Boy are the Kings due for some luck.
I wouldn't mind The Irritant's head on a pike.
Anyways!
The article mentions (I'm going by the yahoo article, so taken with a grain of salt) that Thibs and the other top tier available coaches have no interest in this gig. Which is disappointing, but not surprising.
Mentions we're interested in Blatt, which I like. Dude got a raw deal in Cleveland.
I still think we'll end up with Jackson. He's a Vivek man-crush. And Vivek always gets his man-crush!
Edit: steelevt beat me to it with the excerpt on who we might be after as HC!
Anyways!
The article mentions (I'm going by the yahoo article, so taken with a grain of salt) that Thibs and the other top tier available coaches have no interest in this gig. Which is disappointing, but not surprising.
Mentions we're interested in Blatt, which I like. Dude got a raw deal in Cleveland.
I still think we'll end up with Jackson. He's a Vivek man-crush. And Vivek always gets his man-crush!
Edit: steelevt beat me to it with the excerpt on who we might be after as HC!
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