IT = Rumor of 3/24 offer from Pistons
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My point is of the teams that have expressed interest in him, they either don't have the cap space anymore, he doesn't fit at a 8-10M deal or its Dallas/LA. I think both those teams are going to wait for the top FA which means IT's options dwindle and I have a hard time picturing either organization paying top dollar for him.
There was an article today that talked about Miami's strategy which flies in the face of a 8-10M IT deal. Basically, they want to bring in 3andD wings or defensive bigs that are willing to accept a discount to play with the Big 3. It's why they haven't had any success with the current FA who are looking for bigger deals and roles. How would IT at 8-10M fit with that?
Not saying its impossible. I'm just not with everyone that thinks the stupid deals handed out so far means IT's offer is going to be so outrageous.
Not saying its impossible. I'm just not with everyone that thinks the stupid deals handed out so far means IT's offer is going to be so outrageous.
Not really a fan of collison myself. I would rather see how Houston feels about Lin going forward.
No idea how you'd get him though with the toxic cap situation.
Looking more and more like they will be forced to match IT because there's simply nothing else attainable.
If Detroit are serious I bet they kick the tires on Jennings. Ugh. That said he did put up some huge assist games last season. Haven't watched him for ages.
No idea how you'd get him though with the toxic cap situation.
Looking more and more like they will be forced to match IT because there's simply nothing else attainable.
If Detroit are serious I bet they kick the tires on Jennings. Ugh. That said he did put up some huge assist games last season. Haven't watched him for ages.
I am not worried about how it "sounds on paper". What i am worried about is if we re-sign Rudy for around $13 million per season extension, they we have around $40 million of the $66 million slary cap room invested in our frontcourt meaning that we will once again field one of the worst backcourts in the NBA.
I think Smith is not a great fit but he is a "solid" fit albeit underprized but considering some of the contracts handed out this off-season, he might not be over-paid after all! Smith is a skilled player. He does have solid offensive game when he is not jacking up 3s. He was and hoping that he still is a very good shot blocker. He was and hoping that still is a very good defender. Not a great roubounder (solid) but he is undersized, especially in the West.
Its probably still a talent upgrade for us but we are not distributing that slary cap smartly if we go ahead with this. Even now we have $21 million invested into an average bunch of PFs
I think Smith is not a great fit but he is a "solid" fit albeit underprized but considering some of the contracts handed out this off-season, he might not be over-paid after all! Smith is a skilled player. He does have solid offensive game when he is not jacking up 3s. He was and hoping that he still is a very good shot blocker. He was and hoping that still is a very good defender. Not a great roubounder (solid) but he is undersized, especially in the West.
Its probably still a talent upgrade for us but we are not distributing that slary cap smartly if we go ahead with this. Even now we have $21 million invested into an average bunch of PFs
Vincent Goodwill @vgoodwill
Hearing Isaiah Thomas' preferred teams (in order): Lakers, Heat, Pistons
Wow. Looks like Isaiah has moved on if this is correct. Also not looking forward to IT attempting to go Tony Delk on us 4 x a year
Hearing Isaiah Thomas' preferred teams (in order): Lakers, Heat, Pistons
Wow. Looks like Isaiah has moved on if this is correct. Also not looking forward to IT attempting to go Tony Delk on us 4 x a year
Which was my concern about them. Replacing It with Collison does not bother me so much, but doing so while losing IT for absolutely nothing is barely a step forward if that. Just means we go into next year with an arguably less talented smallish PG that costs considerably more than we were paying our undersized PG last year.
IMO Collison has always struck me as more of a team guy. May not be the huge star, but he's going to do whatever it takes to win. He's the perfect backcourt mate for Nik. Likewise, I think Nik is the perfect teammate for Cuz and Gay. The 4 spot is still a bit suspect, but I think those four will have really good chemistry. That said, it's better that IT goes to a team that he can be happy with. LOL Can't wait for Kobe or Lebron to punk him out on the court for screwing up.
NBA.com under its "Player Tracking" section in its stats mess using the new cameras recording everything, and an area for Time/Possesion, that includes a Time of Possession stat.
IT was third in the league at 7.6min a game with the ball actually in his hand. Trailing only Rondo (7.7) and Wall (7.8), and of course racking up far fewer assists than them with all that ball time.
There is also a "Touches per game" stat that I have pondered using in conjunction with the Time of Possession stat. IT has 84.1 touches per game last year. For instance Kemba Walker, who was 4th in the league in Time of Possession (7.5min/gm) had 100.3 touches a game. What that would seem to tell me is that combining those two stats might give you a statistical reflection of our lack of ball movement/sticky ball syndrome. IT had the ball more, on fewer touches, meaning on each touch he kept it longer. Walker had the ball slightly less, on many more touches, meaning that while he had a high time of possession, he was willing to move the ball and it was passing into and out of his hands multiple times a possession.
Combining together all 7 of these stats: Minutes/gm, Time of Poessession, Touches Per Game, FGA/gm, FTA/gm, Ast/gm, TO/gm should allow you to create a statistical dialogue mirroring the much simpler and clearer observational one: IT has a tendency to hog the ball while looking for his own shot more than others.
For IT:
34.6min/gm (assuming that each team has the ball 50% of the game (highly unlikely), we had the ball 17.3min during ITs minutes
7.6min Time of Possession of those 17.3min (43.9% of the time he had the ball)
84.1 touches per game / 7.6min (456seconds) = 5.42secs/per touch
15.2FGA + 5.7FTA = roughly 17.7 shooting possessions
6.3ast + 3.0TO
compared to Rajon Rondo (as a test case to prove the numbers look different for different style players):
33.6min (so roughly 16.8min/gm on offense)
7.7min Time of Possession (45.8% had the ball)
93.1 touches per game (4.97sec per touch)
11.7FGA + 2.2FTA
9.8ast + 3.3TO
compared to Mario Chalmers (again, now looking for a third archetype for PGs):
29.8min (14.9 per game on offense)
4.3min Time of Possession (28.9% had the ball)
65.5 touches/game (3.94 sec/touch)
7.7FGA + 2.2FTA
4.9Ast + 2.2TO
So what you see reflected by using all those numbers is precisely IT holding the ball like the most ball dominant guys in the league, but using all that time to shoot more often than pass. Is what it is.
IT was third in the league at 7.6min a game with the ball actually in his hand. Trailing only Rondo (7.7) and Wall (7.8), and of course racking up far fewer assists than them with all that ball time.
There is also a "Touches per game" stat that I have pondered using in conjunction with the Time of Possession stat. IT has 84.1 touches per game last year. For instance Kemba Walker, who was 4th in the league in Time of Possession (7.5min/gm) had 100.3 touches a game. What that would seem to tell me is that combining those two stats might give you a statistical reflection of our lack of ball movement/sticky ball syndrome. IT had the ball more, on fewer touches, meaning on each touch he kept it longer. Walker had the ball slightly less, on many more touches, meaning that while he had a high time of possession, he was willing to move the ball and it was passing into and out of his hands multiple times a possession.
Combining together all 7 of these stats: Minutes/gm, Time of Poessession, Touches Per Game, FGA/gm, FTA/gm, Ast/gm, TO/gm should allow you to create a statistical dialogue mirroring the much simpler and clearer observational one: IT has a tendency to hog the ball while looking for his own shot more than others.
For IT:
34.6min/gm (assuming that each team has the ball 50% of the game (highly unlikely), we had the ball 17.3min during ITs minutes
7.6min Time of Possession of those 17.3min (43.9% of the time he had the ball)
84.1 touches per game / 7.6min (456seconds) = 5.42secs/per touch
15.2FGA + 5.7FTA = roughly 17.7 shooting possessions
6.3ast + 3.0TO
compared to Rajon Rondo (as a test case to prove the numbers look different for different style players):
33.6min (so roughly 16.8min/gm on offense)
7.7min Time of Possession (45.8% had the ball)
93.1 touches per game (4.97sec per touch)
11.7FGA + 2.2FTA
9.8ast + 3.3TO
compared to Mario Chalmers (again, now looking for a third archetype for PGs):
29.8min (14.9 per game on offense)
4.3min Time of Possession (28.9% had the ball)
65.5 touches/game (3.94 sec/touch)
7.7FGA + 2.2FTA
4.9Ast + 2.2TO
So what you see reflected by using all those numbers is precisely IT holding the ball like the most ball dominant guys in the league, but using all that time to shoot more often than pass. Is what it is.
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