IT = Rumor of 3/24 offer from Pistons
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That "negligible value" turned into Rudy Gay though. Ultimately after all of the dominoes fell and several pieces were moved, Tyreke was let go in favor of Rudy Gay. They don't get Rudy Gay from Toronto without Vasquez.
So sometimes these "negligible value" sign-and-trades lead to much bigger things.
Best case scenario with Thomas is that Boston really wants him and that he wants to go there. If the Kings could manage to pull off an IT/Ben for Rajon Rondo + Filler deal that would be great. Then just have to pray that Rondo stays healthy.
So sometimes these "negligible value" sign-and-trades lead to much bigger things.
Best case scenario with Thomas is that Boston really wants him and that he wants to go there. If the Kings could manage to pull off an IT/Ben for Rajon Rondo + Filler deal that would be great. Then just have to pray that Rondo stays healthy.
To begin with, I personally wouldn't pay him more than 5 mil. But even if the market thinks he's worth more than 6, I don't think he's worth more than 6 to the Kings. We already have Rudy Gay and DeMarcus Cousins. Not many teams have as dominant an interior force as Cousins - Thomas could bring more value to their teams than he does to ours (by the way, we've seen his value for 3 seasons now; his playing style isn't going to change).
It wasn't Vasquez for Rudy Gay straight up.
If IT isn't resigned and there is a sign and trade, there is a high likelihood that the trade doesn't bring back comparable value to the Kings. History shows that and logic indicates that. The fact that you have to deal with the one team that offers IT the highest offer implies that your potential trading partners are vastly limited compared to a situation in which there is just a trade (and no sign) of a player already under contract. What situation is going to garner more demand - having to deal with one team and their particular roster, or dealing with potentially 31 other teams and all of their rosters?
If the Kings are so much smarter than all these teams that are interested in IT's services and they really think he's not worth $8 million, they should still sign him for $8 million. Then trade him at a later date to one of the many suitors that are out there. They might then have a shot then at getting comparable value in return.
If IT isn't resigned and there is a sign and trade, there is a high likelihood that the trade doesn't bring back comparable value to the Kings. History shows that and logic indicates that. The fact that you have to deal with the one team that offers IT the highest offer implies that your potential trading partners are vastly limited compared to a situation in which there is just a trade (and no sign) of a player already under contract. What situation is going to garner more demand - having to deal with one team and their particular roster, or dealing with potentially 31 other teams and all of their rosters?
If the Kings are so much smarter than all these teams that are interested in IT's services and they really think he's not worth $8 million, they should still sign him for $8 million. Then trade him at a later date to one of the many suitors that are out there. They might then have a shot then at getting comparable value in return.
PDA and Co. undervalue their own roster. Started with Evans, traded away all their Petrie guys, trying to dump Thompson (who doesn't need to be dumped, he's appropriately priced) ... etc.
And I don't have a major issue with not matching Thomas at 8 million, but to hear them value him at 4-6 is sort of absurd.
My biggest issue is that if they let Thomas go, they have no control over their point guard situation for next season. With no real cap room, they can't go out and sign anyone who can come close to IT's level. They would have to rely on a trade where they do not have the best assets. We'd be relying entirely on other teams to fill our holes, and that's dangerous.
If we let Thomas walk, I hope its in a sign and trade at the least. You've got to make something out of that asset.
Unless Rondo is the play, this could be really bad.
And I don't have a major issue with not matching Thomas at 8 million, but to hear them value him at 4-6 is sort of absurd.
My biggest issue is that if they let Thomas go, they have no control over their point guard situation for next season. With no real cap room, they can't go out and sign anyone who can come close to IT's level. They would have to rely on a trade where they do not have the best assets. We'd be relying entirely on other teams to fill our holes, and that's dangerous.
If we let Thomas walk, I hope its in a sign and trade at the least. You've got to make something out of that asset.
Unless Rondo is the play, this could be really bad.
I'm not totally familiar with how the new MLE works under this most recent CBA, but Non-Tax Paying teams over the cap get 5.15 million for their MLE.
What I don't know is when a team needs to be over the cap by to get that money. For instance, if we match IT and go over the cap, do we then get the 5.15 million, or in other words, does matching IT give us more overall cap space than not matching IT, considering we could be in line for the bigger MLE if we match him.
What I don't know is when a team needs to be over the cap by to get that money. For instance, if we match IT and go over the cap, do we then get the 5.15 million, or in other words, does matching IT give us more overall cap space than not matching IT, considering we could be in line for the bigger MLE if we match him.
I stand by the Evans decision the way I look at it is this.
Evans --> Vasquez
1st rounder --> T-Rob --> Patterson
Hayes (bad contract)
Salmons (bad contract) = Rudy
So IMO the pay off was well worth it but back to IT. 8M is to much for him not because he's not a good player but because of what are roster already has vs what it needs. On ball pressure needs to be addressed that's why I think the best move for us would be to make a play for Avery Bradley.
Evans --> Vasquez
1st rounder --> T-Rob --> Patterson
Hayes (bad contract)
Salmons (bad contract) = Rudy
So IMO the pay off was well worth it but back to IT. 8M is to much for him not because he's not a good player but because of what are roster already has vs what it needs. On ball pressure needs to be addressed that's why I think the best move for us would be to make a play for Avery Bradley.
We're already over the cap (as I just explained in this post in another thread), Gay opting in took care of that.
The real issue is whether re-signing IT takes you into the luxury tax, and if you use the non-taxpayer MLE you can't make any more moves that would take you into the "apron," or $4 million above the tax line. If using an exception would take you over the apron, you only get to use the taxpayer MLE, which is $3.2 million.
The real issue is whether re-signing IT takes you into the luxury tax, and if you use the non-taxpayer MLE you can't make any more moves that would take you into the "apron," or $4 million above the tax line. If using an exception would take you over the apron, you only get to use the taxpayer MLE, which is $3.2 million.
First off, glad to see the idiots doubting Bruski getting shut down. Looks like an offer of $24m/3yrs is on the table like Bruski reported.
Secondly, a deal between Boston for Rondo would make the Stauskas selection make more sense.
Though, if Isaiah does sign a 3 year deal worth $8m elsewhere, the Kings should match that.
Secondly, a deal between Boston for Rondo would make the Stauskas selection make more sense.
Though, if Isaiah does sign a 3 year deal worth $8m elsewhere, the Kings should match that.
One team willing to overpay at 8 million does not set the market at 8 million. I'd be curious to see the other numbers.
Of course, it is curious that the team is Detroit. Did we need to have them give IT an 8 million offer in order to be able to bring back Smith in return? The conspiracy theorist in me says yes.
Of course, it is curious that the team is Detroit. Did we need to have them give IT an 8 million offer in order to be able to bring back Smith in return? The conspiracy theorist in me says yes.
I really don't understand the Isaiah hate. He's a very good player, and certainly worth matching.
We have literally 3 rotation-caliber players on this team. Ray has potential to be a 4th, Ben should be one but didn't show it last year.
Letting a potential all-star player walk from a team with so little talent is begging for disaster. I get that people think he's a bad defender, but I honestly think he's a better defender than DMC pound-for-pound, and would do fine in a system that allowed him to corral guys into traps, as opposed to sending them at the matador defense that's waiting behind him.
We have literally 3 rotation-caliber players on this team. Ray has potential to be a 4th, Ben should be one but didn't show it last year.
Letting a potential all-star player walk from a team with so little talent is begging for disaster. I get that people think he's a bad defender, but I honestly think he's a better defender than DMC pound-for-pound, and would do fine in a system that allowed him to corral guys into traps, as opposed to sending them at the matador defense that's waiting behind him.
I don't think Boston has as much leverage in a Rondo deal as a lot of people on here seem to think. He was great when he played with other great players, when those players left or got older he wasn't quite the same. Not to mention he has had injury problems recently and has always had attitude problems. He is a big contract and Boston is looking to rebuild, they already drafted Marcus Smart and if the rumor is true that they want Thomas then they are definitely looking to move on, it's obvious, that hurts their leverage. I know there were rumors before the draft that they wanted multiple first round picks and young talent, but that doesn't determine his value. Boston can ask for whatever they want, it doesn't mean they are going to get it and they already didn't get what they wanted because nobody was paying that price for Rondo.
A sign and trade of Thomas and Williams (Expiring contract) might get it done. They get the young PG they want and still will shed almost half of Rondo's deal at the end of the year. I'm sure they want McLemore, but I don't think the Kings front office is going to go there.
A sign and trade of Thomas and Williams (Expiring contract) might get it done. They get the young PG they want and still will shed almost half of Rondo's deal at the end of the year. I'm sure they want McLemore, but I don't think the Kings front office is going to go there.
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