DeMarcus Cousins: All NBA

[KingMilz]

Obviously. If Kings were 50-26 right now, there'd be talk of how Cuz has "revamped his image" and such.

I don't have issues with Noah or Howard being ahead of him for All-NBA. Anyone else is just blantant ignorance of his play from national media.

Al Jefferson's impact on the Bobcats imo will be hard to overlook but when it comes to All-NBA. Since coming to the Bobcats he's improved there team record by 18 wins with 3 to play from the season before I'm sure a lot of voters will take that into account while putting up slightly worse stats than Cuz.

 

[Bricklayer]

Al Jefferson's impact on the Bobcats imo will be hard to overlook but when it comes to All-NBA. Since coming to the Bobcats he's improved there team record by 18 wins with 3 to play from the season before I'm sure a lot of voters will take that into account while putting up slightly worse stats than Cuz.

Its possible. He's getting the hype now with them making the "playoffs" in the East. Of course the fact we would probably do so as well were we out here isn't mentioned much.

But again, this is why I don't believe management is either going to sit on its ass, or can afford to "rebuild" this offseason. Of course I could already have told those newbies that about this season. But here's the fact: DeMarcus Cousins is sitting on a potential HOF career. And we are in his way. If I am his representative, I am already whispering about "you know, if they can't turn this you will never get your respect until...". And I'd be right. 30 years from now Al Jefferson and Joakim Noah will be historical "who dat" footnotes. While DeMarcus Cousins by all rights should be getting "who was better?" threads comparing him to other HOFers. The greater the gap that persists between his talents/acheivements and his accolades the more danger to us as a franchise. Everything, and I do mean EVERYTHING else has to be examined and considered.

It would be an enormous aid not just to Boogie, but to this entire franchise If he got some measure of respect this awards round. Take the cap off. Get his foot in the door. Once that happens it changes the dialog about you and you can start to at the least get "great talent stuck on a poor team" accolades. That won't work for us forever either -- even Mitch had had enough by the end. But it would buy us some time.

 

[Chubbs]

Honestly, I'd be shocked if Cuz makes all nba. Noah, Howard, Jefferson, Davis, Duncan and Hibbert all would rate higher in the national media. That's 6 guys if all can be considered centers. No chance he slips into one of the top 3 spots.

My personal opinion is he should be third team. But I just don't see that happening. If they could ignore him on the all star team, why would anything change now? I don't think most voters will even consider him.

If cousins wants national respect, he's going to have to play ball with the media. He doesn't seem willing to do that. Until then, expect the snubs to continue.

 

[FaStRmAn]

Obviously. If Kings were 50-26 right now, there'd be talk of how Cuz has "revamped his image" and such.

I don't have issues with Noah or Howard being ahead of him for All-NBA. Anyone else is just blantant ignorance of his play from national media.

Problem is that neither Noah or Howard are better than Cousins.

 

[Bricklayer]

Honestly, I'd be shocked if Cuz makes all nba. Noah, Howard, Jefferson, Davis, Duncan and Hibbert all would rate higher in the national media. That's 6 guys if all can be considered centers. No chance he slips into one of the top 3 spots.

My personal opinion is he should be third team. But I just don't see that happening. If they could ignore him on the all star team, why would anything change now? I don't think most voters will even consider him.

If cousins wants national respect, he's going to have to play ball with the media. He doesn't seem willing to do that. Until then, expect the snubs to continue.

If they try to cheat Davis in as a C, things get tough.

Hibbert though is probably dead now after the Indiana death spiral.

The others are the group.

 

[The_Jamal]

Problem is that neither Noah or Howard are better than Cousins.

You're certainly welcome to your opinion, but this could be debated heavily.

 

[bajaden]

Honestly, I'd be shocked if Cuz makes all nba. Noah, Howard, Jefferson, Davis, Duncan and Hibbert all would rate higher in the national media. That's 6 guys if all can be considered centers. No chance he slips into one of the top 3 spots.

My personal opinion is he should be third team. But I just don't see that happening. If they could ignore him on the all star team, why would anything change now? I don't think most voters will even consider him.

If cousins wants national respect, he's going to have to play ball with the media. He doesn't seem willing to do that. Until then, expect the snubs to continue.

A time will arrive when the NBA won't be able to ignore the elephant in the room. Cousins biggest problem is that the NBA considers itself new age. The game has moved to centers that chuck three pointers and 6'8" PF's that need a therapist to help them deal with their confusion as to what position they play. Cousins is a throw back to the Wilt Chamberlain/Moses Malone days. He's a dinosaur and no one likes dinosaurs. They beat you up, and then eat you! Wilt had a similar attitude, and as a result, he was traded several times, despite being maybe the best center to ever play the game. All Cousins has to do is keep on doing what he's been doing. At some point, the dust will settle, and there will be just one center standing, and it will be Cousins.

There is a distinct difference between being voted onto the all NBA team and the all star team. One is voted by the fans, which makes it a popularity contest, and the other is voted on by his peers, who should know who deserves to be there. We'll see how honest they are!

 

[bajaden]

You're certainly welcome to your opinion, but this could be debated heavily.

Well, which of the three would you want to have as your center?

 

[CruzDude]

And if the logical arguments aren't enough, NBA Stats show Cuz as the #2 center for Double-Doubles in the league, behind only Andre Drummond who has played 6 more games. Chubbs (above) said the real key, "If cousins wants national respect, he's going to have to play ball with the media. He doesn't seem willing to do that. Until then, expect the snubs to continue."

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Well, which of the three would you want to have as your center?

As always, it depends on circumstances: if I were building a team from scratch tomorrow, I'd rather have Cousins. On a team built like Chicago is built, I'm not so sure. I don't know that Cousins is a "Thibodeau Guy," and I'm not sure that he would fit in that system. Howard is a good defender, but I don't want anything to do with that guy.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

There is a distinct difference between being voted onto the all NBA team and the all star team. One is voted by the fans, which makes it a popularity contest, and the other is voted on by his peers, who should know who deserves to be there. We'll see how honest they are!

Since when?

 

[twslam07]

As always, it depends on circumstances: if I were building a team from scratch tomorrow, I'd rather have Cousins. On a team built like Chicago is built, I'm not so sure. I don't know that Cousins is a "Thibodeau Guy," and I'm not sure that he would fit in that system. Howard is a good defender, but I don't want anything to do with that guy.

You don't try and fit Cousins into a system. You fit a system around Cousins.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I certainly agree with that in principle and, indeed, one of the reasons I wish that everything bad in life happens to Keith Smart was his complete failure to try to develop a system that incorporated both Cousins and Evans. But, realistically, how many NBA coaches are actually capable of doing that? How many coaches actually have the confidence to scrap what they believe in, and adapt their system to fit a player like Cousins? I wouldn't bet on more than three.

 

[bajaden]

Since when?

My bad, I mean't to say Pundits, or broadcasters. I think he has a much better chance of getting voted on by guys that cover the NBA for a living than he does by fans. While many broadcasters continue to emphasize some of his emotional problems, they always talk about him as one of the best players in the NBA. I'm not saying that they can't or won't be biased, but if their honest with their vote, then he should make the team. Hey, I could be wrong. But if I'm a play by play guy for a team that just got destroyed inside by Cousins, I'm giving him my vote regardless of his inability to control his emotions from time to time. I guess we'll see.

 

[Ugolino]

Excellent analysis. Speaks volumes compared to those "experts" (since they're season ticket holders) I hear dumping on DMC on call-in shows.

 

[Npliam]

Well, which of the three would you want to have as your center?

Probably Noah.

 

[Bricklayer]

Probably Noah.

Still not getting the need for a goto guy huh.

Noah's a roleplayer. 20 years from now your kids won't even know who he is. And I like Noah and have openly advocated trying to trade for him for years. I just happen to know what an 12ppg center is and is not. And what he is, is a roleplayer. What he's not is an All NBA player, goto guy, or franchise player.

 

[The_Jamal]

Well, which of the three would you want to have as your center?

Perhaps just my take on it, but I don't consider the All-NBA awards a "Who do you want on your team?" kind of award. It should award the 3 best players at that position for that particular season. As far as this season goes, I think Noah and Howard have made bigger impacts for their team, thus should be rated 1 and 2 above Cuz.

If I were building a team from scratch, I'd take Cuz because of age and his potential to still get better. If I wanted to go win a title this season, well I'm absolutely starting with Noah or Howard over Cuz.

 

[Npliam]

Still not getting the need for a goto guy huh.

Noah's a roleplayer. 20 years from now your kids won't even know who he is. And I like Noah and have openly advocated trying to trade for him for years. I just happen to know what an 12ppg center is and is not. And what he is, is a roleplayer. What he's not is an All NBA player, goto guy, or franchise player.

Noah isn't the offensive player that Demarcus is. That much I agree with but he is much more than a role player and is very strong in areas that Demarcus is very weak in.

 

[Bricklayer]

Noah isn't the offensive player that Demarcus is. That much I agree with but he is much more than a role player and is very strong in areas that Demarcus is very weak in.

Name them (and when I say that its almost inevitably a trap -- just sayin' ).

 

[Bricklayer]

BTW, off topic but still potentially significant:

@AlexKennedyNBA: .@rexchapman tweets that John Calipari to the Los Angeles Lakers is a "done deal" regardless of what happens in tonight's game. Interesting.

Interesting to say the least.

So as I reiterate, once you have a DeMarcus Cousins you have simply got to get a move on, because people will start making moves on him if you don't.

 

[Npliam]

Name them (and when I say that its almost inevitably a trap -- just sayin' ).

Well , first and probably the most glaring is their general demeanor. Cousins is a demonstrative A-hole on the court always scowling and berating team mates. Getting into it with officials by whining and pouting all the time. Some may dismiss this as "competitive fire" or "desire to win" but it flat out isn't that. It is immature selfishness and putting what you want ahead of the team. Noah is energetic, happy, excited and supportive. He has lost his cool (like when he told all three official F**K you and you and you) but on a nightly basis he is a very strong, positive force both on and off the court.

To be clear Cousins is a monster. He plays angry and with a chip on his shoulder and I wouldn't want that to go away. He just needs to mature (and I think he will) before he can lead a team the way Noah has.

The next thing and very noticeable when you watch both teams play is Noah is so active on the defensive end. I think you know this and would probably agree with me. He literally never stops moving and can guard any position 1-5 on the court. He challenges everything, switches, fights, scraps claws and kicks on the defensive end. He plays a lot of minutes with probably the worst defensive power forward in the game (I have watched a lot of Carlos Boozer) and the are still the best defensive team in the league. I am sure it doesn't hurt that they have Jimmy Butler and Kirk Hinrich on the perimeter but DJ Augustine has never been known as a good defender. Noah is the anchor and energy defensively. Cousins can play good defense but most of the time he just doesn't. He doesn't have the energy or the desire most nights. Noah never takes a night off.

Noah is a better passer, just as good of a rebounded and while not nearly as gifted offensively he is very efficient on that end too. He also doesn't turn the ball over nearly as often even though he handles is more.

Cousins is good, Really good and it isn't like have him to build your franchise around is a bad thing. Given the choice between the 2 I think I would take Noah but it wouldn't be an easy choice.

 

[Npliam]

BTW, off topic but still potentially significant:



So as I reiterate, once you have a DeMarcus Cousins you have simply got to get a move on, because people will start making moves on him if you don't.

Interesting.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

Regarding Coach Cal to the Lakers, they obviously don't know about his first stint in the NBA. Hopefully his 2nd stint will turnout like the first. I'd love to see the LakeShow mired in failure for an extended period of time. It's long past their turn.

 

[King Baller]

BTW, off topic but still potentially significant:



So as I reiterate, once you have a DeMarcus Cousins you have simply got to get a move on, because people will start making moves on him if you don't.

If this is true I predict Kentucky alums will beat a path to Socal.

 

[King Baller]

Cousins is good, Really good and it isn't like have him to build your franchise around is a bad thing. Given the choice between the 2 I think I would take Noah but it wouldn't be an easy choice.

I think you have to choose Cousins as a top 3 NBA center. What he does, only he does. Shot blockers, defenders and Rah, rah types are somewhat plentiful. There is only one big center who moves like a guard in the paint but delivers a 270 pound blow if you step in front of him.

Cousins is special and the Kings know it. So does the rest of the NBA. Cousins cannot turn the Kings into winners alone. Look at the overall talent level of the top teams. You need great players but you also need a great TEAM of players.

 

[Dime Dropper]

BTW, off topic but still potentially significant:



So as I reiterate, once you have a DeMarcus Cousins you have simply got to get a move on, because people will start making moves on him if you don't.

Brick, any chance you can post an updated version of the Cousins comparison with all the great modern bigs at the same age? I believe you did it earlier in the season, would be interesting to look at after a full seasons work. That and I want to show it to someone who's insisting Dwight is clearly better and I don't know how to do it myself

 

[Bricklayer]

Brick, any chance you can post an updated version of the Cousins comparison with all the great modern bigs at the same age? I believe you did it earlier in the season, would be interesting to look at after a full seasons work. That and I want to show it to someone who's insisting Dwight is clearly better and I don't know how to do it myself

Oh of course I can, you didn't think the above was all I had did you?

 

[Bricklayer]

As a timesaver I am going to piggy back on someone else's numbers for part of this, but heavily decorate.

So here we go, call this the Shrine of Boogie, Pt I. Age 23 Stats for all the greatest centers to enter the league in the past 30 years:

Per Game Statistics at Age 23:
Cousins 32.1min 22.3pts (.496 .725) 11.6reb 2.9ast 1.5stl 1.3blk 3.5TO 3.8Fl
Duncan 38.9min 23.2pts (.490 .761) 12.4reb 3.2ast 0.9stl 2.2blk 3.3TO 2.8Fl
PEwing 35.4min 20.0pts (.474 .739) 9.0reb 2.0ast 1.1stl 2.1blk 3.4TO 3.8Fl
Mourng 33.6min 21.5pts (.505 .762) 10.2reb 1.4ast 0.5stl 3.1blk 3.3TO 3.5Fl
SO'Neal 36.0min 26.6pts (.573 .487) 11.0reb 2.9ast 0.6stl 2.1blk 2.9TO 3.6Fl
Olajuw 36.3min 23.5pts (.526 .645) 11.4reb 2.0ast 2.0stl 3.4blk 2.9TO 4.0Fl
Daugrty 35.8min 17.8pts (.528 .718) 8.6reb 3.9ast 0.7stl 0.7blk 3.1TO 2.8Fl
Howard 35.9min 17.3pts (.568 .601) 12.5reb 1.4ast 0.9stl 2.0blk 3.0TO 3.2Fl
YaoMin 30.9min 15.5pts (.511 .810) 8.6reb 1.6ast 0.3stl 1.8blk 2.3TO 3.1Fl
Robinson did not enter the league until age 24
Mutumbo did not enter the league until age 25

Per 36 Statistics at Age 23:
Cousins 25.1pts (.496 .725) 13.1reb 3.2ast 1.7stl 1.4blk 3.9TO 4.3Fl
Duncan 21.5pts (.490 .761) 11.5reb 2.9ast 0.8stl 2.1blk 3.0TO 2.6Fl
PEwing 20.3pts (.474 .739) 9.2reb 2.1ast 1.1stl 2.1blk 3.5TO 3.9Fl
Mourng 23.0pts (.505 .762) 10.9reb 1.5ast 0.5stl 3.4blk 3.6TO 3.7Fl
SO'Neal 26.5pts (.573 .487) 11.0reb 2.9ast 0.6stl 2.1blk 2.9TO 3.6Fl
Olajuw 23.3pts (.526 .645) 11.4reb 2.0ast 2.0stl 3.4blk 2.8TO 4.0Fl
Daugrty 17.9pts (.528 .718) 8.6reb 3.9ast 0.7stl 0.7blk 3.2TO 2.8Fl
Howard 17.3pts (.568 .601) 12.6reb 1.4ast 0.9stl 2.0blk 3.0TO 3.2Fl
YaoMin 18.0pts (.511 .810) 10.0reb 1.8ast 0.4stl 2.1blk 2.7TO 3.6Fl
Robinson did not enter the league until age 24
Mutumbo did not enter the league until age 25

Advanced Stats at Age 23:
Cousins 26.1PER .556TS% 20.5TREB% 17.5AST% 2.4STL% 3.2BLK% ORTG:107 DRTG:101 WinShare/48: .169
Duncan 24.8PER .555TS% 18.1TREB% 15.5AST% 1.2STL% 4.0BLK% ORTG:109 DRTG:95 WinShare/48: .218
PEwing 17.4PER .526TS% 14.4TREB% 9.6AST% 1.5STL% 3.6BLK% ORTG:99 DRTG:101 WinShare/48: .084
Mourng 21.7PER .588TS% 16.7TREB% 6.6AST% 0.7STL% 5.7BLK% ORTG:109 DRTG:105 WinShare/48: .151
SO'Neal 26.4PER .570TS% 17.8TREB% 15.9AST% 0.9STL% 4.4BLK% ORTG:110 DRTG:103 WinShare/48: .171
Olajuw 24.2PER .560TS% 17.1TREB% 8.0AST% 2.5STL% 5.2BLK% ORTG:113 DRTG:102 WinShare/48: .186
Daugrty 16.8PER .578TS% 13.5TREB% 16.3AST% 0.9STL% 1.1BLK% ORTG:109 DRTG:105 WinShare/48: .126
Howard 21.2PER .597TS% 20.2TREB% 6.6AST% 1.3STL% 4.2BLK% ORTG:111 DRTG:100 WinShare/48: .171
YaoMin 21.3PER .579TS% 16.2TREB% 9.6AST% 0.6STL% 4.4BLK% ORTG:111 DRTG:98 WinShare/48: .190
Robinson did not enter the league until age 24
Mutumbo did not enter the league until age 25

 

[Bricklayer]

Note the per 36s. And go hard at anybody trying to deny the nose on their face. I was trying subtlety. Have decided that a good hard slap is closer to what is needed.