Your sleeper players in 2009 draft

#1
We all know pretty much whos gonna be the top 1-5 picks, but the question i ask is who is gonna be that sleeper player or players to make certain GM's look bad for passing on them.
Kinna like the 03 draft where u got LBJ carmelo wade, then u have david west #18 pick, with guys like Reece gaines, troy bel, mike sweetney goin ahead of him.

Evans-not relly a sleeper but i think he might have a better career thenn griffin.

Maynor-will be either the #1, or #2 pg to come outta this draft but will proly be the 5th or 6th picked.

Earl clark-can be a monster if he gets dedicated.
 

bajaden

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#3
I would say that most of those guys fall into the sleeper catagory, except Terrence Williams. I think he's going to be good. Maybe even great if he ever gets his shot to fall. To me he's a top 15 pick. He may not go that high, but three years from now people will wonder why he didn't.

My personal favorite on your list is Jermaine Taylor. Another couple of players that I like are Dionte Christmas, and Aminu.
 
#4
IMO Tyrese Rice, Ahmad Nivins, Derrick Brown, and Jermain Taylor are the biggest sleepers this year.....Maybe Earl Clark if falls far, and BJ if he falls far.
 
#6
If we get Rubio I think he could be exactly what Mullens needs to be successful. Great athlete, knows how to finish, just doesnt know how to create his own shot, thats where Rubio comes in.
 
#7
I thought about putting Mills here, and I think he does have some value if he's drafted in the early 2nd round--his stock's dropping quite a bit these days. But as far as his NBA success goes, while he has a great work ethic to improve on the fly, at the same time he could've afforded another year in college improving his playmaking skills and getting his three point percentages up to snuff, to become more like an Aaron Brooks clone (that's his real upside). Because at the end of the day, he's a very small guard (accentuated by poor wingspan) who at this point still doesn't have a completely reliable jumpshot and can't pass the ball very well. Normally that's a death knell for most PGs, but Mills has proven his toughness and made a reputation in international play/Olympics and that might just be his saving grace. I'm not down on him, but at this point I just don't think he's a sleeper.

If we get Rubio I think he could be exactly what Mullens needs to be successful. Great athlete, knows how to finish, just doesnt know how to create his own shot, thats where Rubio comes in.
High risk/high reward type with that one. Some might argue that he's being overdrafted, if he's actually a mid-1st round pick. But I do remember with Mullens in particular--back when he was hyped to the heavens after HS and before anyone knew what he did in college, he was actually a top 2 pick--that's the sort of talent level he had. But I don't think he'll suffer a DeAndre Jordan like fall--this draft lacks bigs, and he'll probably get drafted before the 20s anyway. Just goes to show how much upside and physical tools is valued in this league, because he just didn't do much in college at all.
 
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#8
I would say an unknown senior from Augusta. Garret Siler is not even found on some mock drafts

Legit seven-footer and at 300lbs that's a big body on the floor.
Siler was one of the highlight at Portsmouth invitational.

A career 66% FG at only lives within 5 feet from the basket.
Would be a good project big but if given good minutes at C, I think he'll blossom right away.
 
#9
I would say an unknown senior from Augusta. Garret Siler is not even found on some mock drafts

Legit seven-footer and at 300lbs that's a big body on the floor.
Siler was one of the highlight at Portsmouth invitational.

A career 66% FG at only lives within 5 feet from the basket.
Would be a good project big but if given good minutes at C, I think he'll blossom right away.

Didn't we work this guy out today?
 
#11
Jeff Teague, Derrick Brown, Darren Collison, Jonas Jerebko (good role player potential), Danny Green, Lestor Hudson.
 
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#13
We all know pretty much whos gonna be the top 1-5 picks, but the question i ask is who is gonna be that sleeper player or players to make certain GM's look bad for passing on them.
Kinna like the 03 draft where u got LBJ carmelo wade, then u have david west #18 pick, with guys like Reece gaines, troy bel, mike sweetney goin ahead of him.

Evans-not relly a sleeper but i think he might have a better career thenn griffin.

Maynor-will be either the #1, or #2 pg to come outta this draft but will proly be the 5th or 6th picked.

Earl clark-can be a monster if he gets dedicated.
Sam Young- Tough, can shoot and rebound really well for a SF. He may not be a star but whoever gets him will be glad he's on their team.
 
#14
Terrence Williams (depending on where he's picked - I think he's going to be very good).

Teague - alot of talent, some character questions.

Ellington - reminds me a little of Courtney Lee.

Collison (if he goes 2nd round I think he'll be a steal) - is a better PG than given credit for. Will at the very least be a good backup.

Jodie Meeks - can put up points in a hurry.

Danny Green - great off the bench.

Summers - good shooter, good athlete. NBA ready body. Solid all round game.

There are a few other guys who are interesting such as Llull, Beaubois, Carroll, Calathes, Daye, Young etc.
 
#15
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I've avoided talk about Summers because we don't really need a player of that mold (he's very similar to Donte Greene) and we just don't need another SF. He tested well in terms of mobility for SFs and does have the wingspan and decent enough strength to play PF at times, but doesn't exert his athleticism enough like Tim Thomas--his rebounding numbers are quite poor even for SF standards, and while he's a reasonable stealer and shotblocker (only five SFs had better steal/block rates than he did), he's more foul prone than any of those players, so that might be a problem. He's also very turnover prone, and that has been the case in all three years at Georgetown. And at the end of the day, he just didn't improve much from his sophomore year--his college PER isn't terribly impressive, and while he improved his scoring efficiency and got to the line more, it came at the expense of far less rebounding and more turnovers. So work ethic is a major question with him--he tends to coasts through games, hasn't really improved his all-around game, and has many bad habits with fouls and turnovers that he can't seem to get out of.

That being said, offensively is why he's probably hanging around in the early 2nd round. He's fairly efficient as a guy who takes a lot of threes and gets to the line very well though, and that latter figure might indicate that he's not that soft offnensively; he's also a low possession player which might help him ease into the roleplayer role better in the pros. I think he can get points in the NBA off post ups on smaller SFs, raining some threes and perhaps cutting to the basket, so this might translate; if he fits that niche and doesn't stray from it, and please don't ask him to handle the ball--he has no court vision and is utterly turnover prone--he might just be a decent spot up offensive role player in the NBA. But that's the extent of his upside, and it might be hard to see him reach it especially if teams don't like the way he rebounds/plays defense/coasts through games. So I don't think he's a sleeper because of his work ethic--even if he does reach his potential, he's just a niche player at the end of the day.
 

Kingster

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#16
I would say that most of those guys fall into the sleeper catagory, except Terrence Williams. I think he's going to be good. Maybe even great if he ever gets his shot to fall. To me he's a top 15 pick. He may not go that high, but three years from now people will wonder why he didn't.

My personal favorite on your list is Jermaine Taylor. Another couple of players that I like are Dionte Christmas, and Aminu.
It sounds like T. Williams is moving up the draft board, in the 10 - 15 zone.
 
#19
He's right where he should be--he doesn't have the athletic upside (super poor wingspan, very average vert, just decent speed) to be drafted too high. Sort of like Sam Cassell--very crafty offensive player who really knows how to get himself to the line, but appears to be an ordinary three point shooter. He showed really great PG skills in his first two years of college but switched up his game to involve more scoring.

Paul Harris - Syracuse.

He is a 2nd round sleeper. He is pretty raw offensively, but I think he has the potential to be a good defensive role-player who can come into the game at the 2-guard (or SF for/against a team playing small ball) and lock down on an opposing team's best perimeter player.
I like Harris a lot, but not to the extent I'd call him sleeper. He's built extremely well physically, with a level of strength, quickness and wingspan that's rarely seen in players, and that's really most pronounced in two things: his monster rebounding ability on both ends of the court (even for SF standards), and his ability to get to the free throw line (has one of the best rates for SFs throughout his three years with the Orange). He was a hyped up high schooler, but somewhere along his college years he just never developed the jumper (rarely takes/hits threes), handles (turnover prone) and primacy to gain control of the offense. To his credit, he seems to be a solid free throw shooter and is an underrated passer, so potentially he could be a hustle player who can be more semi-useful offensively. But that's my beef with him; he's basically a PF trapped in a combo guard's body, because he does all the big men stuff (rebounding, getting to the line by hustling) well while neglecting to improve the guard traits (ballhandling, shooting). Considering that the rebounding might not translate as well, he basically has little NBA value besides being a hustle player who can act as defensive stopper (especially with his build)--but Ruben Patterson (who's 6'5") made a good career out of that, so it's not really out of the cards. Technically his athleticism and niche as a defensive player who can hustle, hit free throws and pass when necessary can endear himself to teams that need a sparkplug in that manner, but it's a little unorthodox to say the least--could probably be a pick in the 50s.
 
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#20
Paul Harris - Syracuse.

He is a 2nd round sleeper. He is pretty raw offensively, but I think he has the potential to be a good defensive role-player who can come into the game at the 2-guard (or SF for/against a team playing small ball) and lock down on an opposing team's best perimeter player.
 
#21
He's right where he should be--he doesn't have the athletic upside (super poor wingspan, very average vert, just decent speed) to be drafted too high. Sort of like Sam Cassell--very crafty offensive player who really knows how to get himself to the line, but appears to be an ordinary three point shooter. He showed really great PG skills in his first two years of college but switched

reminds me of a hybrid between Sam I Am and Eric Snow..
 
#22
I like Jodie Meeks.

Austin Daye - He did terrible at the combine and teams have been down on him, but I think he'll be a very good lamar odom type player in a few years.

Tyrese Rice - I love Rice. I see so much Bobby Jackson in him its crazy, I would love to grab him with our second rounder.
 
#25
What do you guys think about Jerel McNeal?
Defensive roleplayer in the NBA, but can thrive in that role--he's well conditioned, has excellent lateral quickness, reasonably good strength, and very good athleticism to help his cause. Imposes that athleticism with his very good stealing ability, and he's actually an underrated shotblocker for someone his size as well--but part of the reason his intrigue has been less in seasons past was that he lost a chunk of his rebound rate and stole the ball less this season, although to his credit he cut down on his crazy foul proneness in the past. But for someone who probably has to make his name as a defensive stopper, that doesn't really bode well for him.

Offensively he's not that impressive--he's never been a very good 2-pt shooter throughout his career, and although he shot near 40% from deep this year on a high number of attempts it might potentially be a fluke, because he couldn't shoot them well at all in the past. He doesn't get to the line as much as you'd like for someone of his athleticism, but to his credit he's trying to develop a jumpshot--he drastically increased his three point attempts this year and became more of a spot-up player, and thus reduced his turnovers (which had been a real problem in the past). Probably a mechanical offensive player in the NBA. That brings up another problem--he doesn't have great ballhandling skills, and his court vision is on par with SGs, so he'll probably never be a point guard.

Overall he's just a niche player with limited upside. Like Paul Harris, has to find a place as a defensive stopper. Has a more guard-oriented game with more shooting range than Harris does, but doesn't exert his athleticism as much either. They're probably on the same level as 50s picks, but IMO Harris brings a level of unorthodox toughness/uniqueness that I appreciate more.

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The bigger story might be with his counterpart, Dominic James. He's a very small player (accentuated by lack of wingspan), but has excellent speed and a very good vert, which he uses in offensive rebounding and steals. Once billed as a 1st round pick after a good freshman year, he never really developed his jumper at all, and this year the efficiency might have been his worst--he opted to take 40% of his shots from three point land, despite shooting <30% from there, and slumped down to a horrific 46% from the free throw line, which combined with his diminutive frame effectively killed his draft stock. Sad based on his past hype as well as the fact that he's a fairly good passer (not great, but good), but really seemed to lose confidence in himself--he took far less control of the offense and as mentioned, his shooting, which was never good to begin with, went to hell.
 
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rainmaker

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#27
I really think Tyler Hansborough will have an inpact wherever he plays next year. The highest I've seen him taken in a mock draft is #11, but most have him 15-20. I don't think he will score that much, but he can hit the open jumper, will get some putbacks in the paint, is physical, and will go into the season with something to prove after feeling overlooked going into the draft. I see him as a hustle/effort type player who might surprise some people who don't think he can do anything on the offensive end.
 

Kingster

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#30
Toney Douglas, 6'2" guard, co-defensive player of the year, athletic, tough, good shooter, fearless. He could be a Bobby Jackson type of player.