Your Ideal, yet realistic 09-10 lineup

[fnordius]

In response to various posts which talk about MLE and other signings with exceptions:

I know it's hard to adjust to after all those years of being over cap, but we're finally under cap now. We have no need for exceptions, nor are we eligible for any. So you can forget MLEs this year, and probably next year as well.

 

[SacTownKid]

I say bring back Ike! He'd be a perfect choice for the 3rd big IMO.

Rubio/Beno
Martin/Garcia
Nocioni/Greene/Summers
Thompson/Blair
Hawes/Diogu

 

[KingsCitizen]

Draft Rubio at #4
Trade up our #23 pick + cash for Minnesota's #18 and draft Jrue Holiday.
Draft Heytvelt at # 31

Trade Nocioni(7.5M) to San Antonio for Bowen(3.5M expiring) and Oberto(4M expiring)
Trade Udrih(6M M), Garcia(5.8M), Thomas(8.5M) to Houston for T-Mac (expiring 23M)

Resign McCants
Sign Gortat as FA

Lineup:

PG - Rubio/Holiday
SG - Martin/McCants
SF - McGrady/Bowen/Greene
PF - Thompson/Heytvelt
C - Hawes/Oberto/Gortat

Kings get rid of long contracts, get 30M (Oberto, McGrady,Bowen) expiring, gets young PGs which is OK as we are having a new coach which will implement new systems. Green will continue as a project but will be expected to learn a lot behind T-Mac (offense) and Bowen (defense).

 

[kingsnation]

Trade Udrih(6M M), Garcia(5.8M), Thomas(8.5M) to Houston for T-Mac (expiring 23M)

So, the Rockets get rid of the monster expiring so Beno can rot on their bench for a half-decade and Garcia can be Battier's shadow?

 

[Trueblood]

As far as cheap backup C alternatives in free agency are concerned, don't forget about Aaron Gray of the Bulls. He was getting some good minutes and was somewhat effective until they traded for Brad.

I'm thinking he can be had for cheap since the Bulls are pushing the lux tax and won't bring him back.

 

[Bricklayer]

I say bring back Ike! He'd be a perfect choice for the 3rd big IMO.

Rubio/Beno
Martin/Garcia
Nocioni/Greene/Summers
Thompson/Blair
Hawes/Diogu

Confusious say team with taller backup SF/SGs than backup PF/Cs be team in much disarray.

 

[SacKings7]

I say bring back Ike! He'd be a perfect choice for the 3rd big IMO.

Rubio/Beno
Martin/Garcia
Nocioni/Greene/Summers
Thompson/Blair
Hawes/Diogu

First off, that is the worst defensive frontcourt in the league. and Ike isn't a center.

Secondly, how do we end up with Blair? He won't be around at #23

 

[KingsCitizen]

So, the Rockets get rid of the monster expiring so Beno can rot on their bench for a half-decade and Garcia can be Battier's shadow?

Great point. and thanks

I was basically thinking of Houston's positions which needs depth which is the PG and SG position. McGrady may be retiring after this season. And for a playoff contending team that almost brought down the eventual champions without their 2 main stars, it would be better having 2 playing bodies than 1 23M superstar who seems to unable to come back even 50% of that superstar capability. Having Garcia and Beno won't really hinder their flexibility as the Rocket are still projected to have good enough salary space after this season due to other expirings plus KT(if the trade goes).

Anyway, my other point is if we can gid rid of Beno, Garcia, and Nocioni's contract for big expirings without sacrificing picks. It'll be a solid summer.

 

[SacTownKid]

Confusious say team with taller backup SF/SGs than backup PF/Cs be team in much disarray.

Logicusious say that backup PF/C has near 7'4" wingspan, 9'1" standing reach, and doesn't mind banging around.

Other backup PF/C has 7'2" wingspan and strong.

 

[SacTownKid]

First off, that is the worst defensive frontcourt in the league. and Ike isn't a center.

Secondly, how do we end up with Blair? He won't be around at #23

Figuring he drops do to rumors about his knees.

I don't get the whole "defensive" frontcourt thing, if Thompson/Hawes are 2/3 of a hopeless frontcourt defensively then we are screwed anyway are we not!? I have some hope the TEAM can improves as well as Jason and Spencer. I think Jason has major defensive potential as a pick and roll defender and shotblocker, and Hawes as a shotblocker. There has to be improvement there somewhere otherwise it doesn't matter who the 3rd big is.

 

[Smills91]

My IDEAL, yet REALISTIC scenario.

Kings nab Tyreke Evans at #4, Terrence Williams at #23, and Omri Casspi at #31
we re-sign Ike Diogu to 3 years at 7 million with player options each year and grab McCants on the 1 year QO.
Trade Andres Nocioni for Fabricio Oberto, Matt Bonner and #37(Toney Douglas).

C: Spencer Hawes, Fabricio Oberto, Matt Bonner
PF: Jason Thompson, Ike Diogu, Kenny Thomas
SF: Francisco Garcia, Donte Greene
SG: Kevin Martin, Terrence Williams, Rashad McCants
PG: Tyreke Evans, Beno Udrih, Toney Douglas

We play out the season, let McCants, Thomas, Oberto, Bonner all expire. Probably gab yet, another lotto pick next year, and look for opportunities to move Beno's deal elsewhere(unlikely).

 

[Smills91]

First off, that is the worst defensive frontcourt in the league. and Ike isn't a center.

Secondly, how do we end up with Blair? He won't be around at #23

Blair is one who I think might slide with his 'arthiritic' knee condition that has some teams scared off. I DOUBT he's there at 23, but I wouldn't be surprised either.

 

[TTown Kings]

I dont really think its up to the Kings honestly. Our roster puts us in "suck another year" mode by default.

ding ding ding, we have a winner folks. Doesn't matter what ownership wants. What is possible is all that matters and this team isn't going to magically start winning next year with a couple different and very young pieces.

 

[KingsInBrazil]

simple:

1) draft Rubio at #4
2) trade Kenny Thomas (expiring), Jason Thompson, #23 and #31 picks for Amaré Stoudemire
3) resign Rashard MacCants and Ike Diogu
4) use MLE to lure Marcin Gortat

PG: Rubio / Udrih
SG: Martin / MacCants
SF: Nocione / Garcia / Greene
PF: Amaré / Diogu
C: Hawes / Gortat

Playoff spot for sure, contender team as soon as everybody mesh together and the young core (Rubio, Greene, Hawes) get some experience...Amaré should have no problem accepting a trade like that if he was to play with an exciting point guard that would remind him of Steve Nash...

welll sounds like fantasy but it isnt impossible to do....

 

[Smills91]

simple:

1) draft Rubio at #4
2) trade Kenny Thomas (expiring), Jason Thompson, #23 and #31 picks for Amaré Stoudemire
3) resign Rashard MacCants and Ike Diogu
4) use MLE to lure Marcin Gortat

PG: Rubio / Udrih
SG: Martin / MacCants
SF: Nocione / Garcia / Greene
PF: Amaré / Diogu
C: Hawes / Gortat

Playoff spot for sure, contender team as soon as everybody mesh together and the young core (Rubio, Greene, Hawes) get some experience...Amaré should have no problem accepting a trade like that if he was to play with an exciting point guard that would remind him of Steve Nash...

welll sounds like fantasy but it isnt impossible to do....

\\Yuck. Amare just isn't a franchise player. He's gives you a Zach Randolph level effort. All stats, no substance.

 

[Bricklayer]

simple:

1) draft Rubio at #4
2) trade Kenny Thomas (expiring), Jason Thompson, #23 and #31 picks for Amaré Stoudemire
3) resign Rashard MacCants and Ike Diogu
4) use MLE to lure Marcin Gortat

PG: Rubio / Udrih
SG: Martin / MacCants
SF: Nocione / Garcia / Greene
PF: Amaré / Diogu
C: Hawes / Gortat

Playoff spot for sure, contender team as soon as everybody mesh together and the young core (Rubio, Greene, Hawes) get some experience...Amaré should have no problem accepting a trade like that if he was to play with an exciting point guard that would remind him of Steve Nash...

welll sounds like fantasy but it isnt impossible to do....

Hey! You stole my Amare trade!

Biggest thing with an Amare/Kevin scoring duo is yeah, you have the offense taken care of, but my lor id that a soft and lazy duo on the other end. And none of Hawes, Noc or Rubio is going to be able to cover for that. If that's going to be the duo, we would need to find a way to import defense, and a lot of it, in a hurry.

 

[VF21]

ding ding ding, we have a winner folks. Doesn't matter what ownership wants. What is possible is all that matters and this team isn't going to magically start winning next year with a couple different and very young pieces.

It isn't just about winning. I've been to many more games in Arco when the Kings weren't contenders for anything but the bottom of the heap and the seats were full, the crowd had fun, etc. Why? It was the attitude and the atmosphere...

The team played their hearts out and the fans responded.

My response was partially addressing the idea of trading Kevin Martin at this point in time. I just do not see the Kings doing it. Martin does put butts in the seat; he's fun to watch, he's personable; he's one of the best shooters in the league; etc.

If you're going to trade him away, it better be for a superstar because anything less could and most likely would blow up in their faces. And they're not going to let that happen.

You keep Kevin Martin. You bring in a young point guard - I'm still fascinated by Rubio - and you let the kids run. Seeing our young core give it all every night will be worth the price of admission and people will come. The wins will be the icing on the cake, if and when they happen.

Hopefully after the 2009-2010 season, the Kings will have turned the corner and be back on track. And we'll get another couple of pieces to help put the puzzle together.

 

[Entity]

1) Draft Thabeet with the 4th pick assuming he is still there
2) Draft one of Teague, Maynor, Lawson, Collison at #23
3) Draft Heytvelt at #31
4) Offer up Session and Felton see which one seems the most interested
5) re-sign Diogu and McCants I guess because nothing esle is out there.

lineup
Session or Felton/Udrih/Teague
Martin/McCants/Garcia
Nocioni/Garcia/Greene
Thompson/Diogu/Heytvelt/Greene
Hawes/Thabeet/Thompson


6) try moving Udrih, Nocioni, KT and whatever throw ins it takes outside of the top 8.

 

[MANoICE]

NJ Looking to move Down to Pick Casspi?

Offer them #23 & Donte
for
#11 & S. Williams ( & possibly C. Douglas-Roberts if they want more FA $$ in 2010.)

Why For NJ - 1. They don't want to spend such a high pick on a guy rated to go lower. 2. They have been shopping Williams for most of last year. 3. They can give Donte a try at the SF and deny his option in 2010 if it doesn't work out. 4. Saves them about 1.5 mil. this year and another 1 mil next if they deny Donte's option.

Why for Sac - 1. Give the kings an energy (shot blocking) big off the bench. 2. More options to chose from with the # 11 pick. 3. Tradeable/low risk pieces on the cheap.

Line up:

PG - Rubio (#4 Pick)/Beno/Mills or Collison (#31 pick)
SG - Martin/Garcia/CDR
SF - Noch/Garcia
PF - Thompson/Williams/Thomas
C - Hawes/Mullens (#11 pick)

It might not get us much closer to the playoffs next year, but I think it could be fun to watch. There are expiring contracts and young talented pieces to make moves with.

 

[Superman]

Not terribly realistic--I don't think we'd go after Marvin Williams, it's not like we another SF of that mold.

I wouldn't mind bringing in Marvin Williams, but I don't think he would sign with us for the MLE.

 

[CaminoChaos]

It isn't just about winning. I've been to many more games in Arco when the Kings weren't contenders for anything but the bottom of the heap and the seats were full, the crowd had fun, etc. Why? It was the attitude and the atmosphere...

The team played their hearts out and the fans responded.

My response was partially addressing the idea of trading Kevin Martin at this point in time. I just do not see the Kings doing it. Martin does put butts in the seat; he's fun to watch, he's personable; he's one of the best shooters in the league; etc.

If you're going to trade him away, it better be for a superstar because anything less could and most likely would blow up in their faces. And they're not going to let that happen.

You keep Kevin Martin. You bring in a young point guard - I'm still fascinated by Rubio - and you let the kids run. Seeing our young core give it all every night will be worth the price of admission and people will come. The wins will be the icing on the cake, if and when they happen.

Hopefully after the 2009-2010 season, the Kings will have turned the corner and be back on track. And we'll get another couple of pieces to help put the puzzle together.

I agree with this statement. One thing we need on top of this is a SF that can defend and shoot well(Shane Battier type player) to compliment Martin.

 

[VF21]

I actually think Nocioni is adequate at the SF - until we can get a good starter for the position. I like his hustle, I LOVE his intensity and attitude and he puts it all out there on the court every single time he plays. And...brace yourself...he actually knows the definition of the word "defense."