Your Ideal, yet realistic 09-10 lineup

[DoDiGaG0]

Moves:

Move 1) Trade #4 pick along with K9 to the Memphis for the #2 pick along with Marco Jaric
Move 2) Draft Ricky Rubio
Move 3) Draft Eric Maynor with the #23 pick
Move 4) Trade #31 Pick and Beno Udrich to the Warriors for Ronny Turiaf
Move 5) Sign Marvin Williams for the MLE
Move 6) Sign Ryan Hollins w/ the LLE



PG ) Ricky Rubio / Eric Maynor / Jaric
SG ) Kevin Martin / Cisco / Jaric
SF ) Marvin Williams / Andres Nocioni / Cisco
PF ) Jason Thompson / Turiaf / Hollins
C) Spencer Hawes / Turiaf / Hollins

team: 30-52

 

[venom_7]

neither ideal or realistic. why would the warriors do that?

 

[DoDiGaG0]

neither ideal or realistic. why would the warriors do that?

1) to obtain a pick
2) they most likely are going to draft a PG with their pick and they could limit his play with Beno starting
3) open playing time for Randolph

 

[PurpleHaze]

I'd love to snag Eric Maynor at #23 but I'd be shocked if he's sitting there for the Kings - and they'd be crazy not to take him if they don't have a PG with the #4 pick. Even if Sac gets Ricky Rubio I'd still take Maynor if he's there for the taking. Almost every mock draft and so-called expert I've seen has the VCU star going around #14 (Phoenix) to around #21 (Detroit). I think he goes closer to the Phoenix pick than dropping as low as where Detroit sits. To think the lately very unlucky Kings could land Rubio and Maynor - WOW! Call it bust/injury insurance.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

Not terribly realistic--I don't think we'd go after Marvin Williams, it's not like we another SF of that mold. As for Turiaf, appreciate the shotblocking, but I don't think the Warriors would trade him--Nellyball doesn't really cater to Udrih anyway because he doesn't really have the size or the speed. And if we get Rubio, it's highly unlikely we'd pick another PG in Maynor--probably someone like Terrence Williams, Teague, etc.

 

[VF21]

Turiaf? Oh hell no.

 

[kingsnation]

1) to obtain a pick
2) they most likely are going to draft a PG with their pick and they could limit his play with Beno starting
3) open playing time for Randolph

The Warriors will not take on Beno's hefty contract simply to "obtain a pick," especially the 31st. And I don't believe taking on that same contract is or ever will be the answer for opening up minutes for Randolph.

 

[DoDiGaG0]

Turiaf? Oh hell no.

I think he would be a great 3rd big off the bench to compliment Hawes and Thompson

he defends the post, is big and strong, decent post d, blocks shots, and provides great energy off the bench -- rhings which the kings severely lacked this year.

 

[KingsFanAZ]

The pro's for Turiaf seem good to me. What are the con's? (besides the enlarged aortic root that required open-heart surgery)

 

[PurpleHaze]

Golden State had their "Turiaf" in the person of Ike Diogu who played in 69 games for them during a solid rookie season and one more before shipping out to Indiana where he got lost in a Pacer shuffle. That first NBA season saw Diogu on the floor for most games he's played in any NBA season - so far. It seems to me the Kings should they retain his services won't need to wonder for one second about Rony Turiaf off the bench as a so-called 3rd big.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I'm not sure if I want to trade up for Rubio. KT could be a valuable trade asset halfway through the season. And there's a real chance that Rubio is there at 4. If he's not, just take Flynn.

 

[Aenadin]

1. trade 4th and kt for 2nd and jaric
2. Draft Rubio
3. Trade martin for haywood, blatche and 5th
4. Draft Tyreke Evans
5. Trade Nocioni and udrih for ben wallace and 1st round and 2nd rounder
6. with cavs 23rd select Terrence Williams
7. with the 30th pat mills
8. draft vladimir dasic for 31st pick
9. Draft using Clevelands pick.. josh heytvelt

line up

rubio/mills
Evans/Williams
Garcia/Greene
Thompson/Blatche/Dasic
Hawes/haywood/Heytvelt

wiz does this trade to unload two useless players for scorer at the cost of the top 5 pick

cleveland does this to get the help lebron needs... for one last run at the championship which will determine if lebron stays or goes

 

[KingsCitizen]

1. trade 4th and kt for 2nd and jaric
2. Draft Rubio
3. Trade martin for haywood, blatche and 5th
4. Draft Tyreke Evans
5. Trade Nocioni and udrih for ben wallace and 1st round and 2nd rounder
6. with cavs 23rd select Terrence Williams
7. with the 30th pat mills
8. draft vladimir dasic for 31st pick
9. Draft using Clevelands pick.. josh heytvelt

line up

rubio/mills
Evans/Williams
Garcia/Greene
Thompson/Blatche/Dasic
Hawes/haywood/Heytvelt

wiz does this trade to unload two useless players for scorer at the cost of the top 5 pick

cleveland does this to get the help lebron needs... for one last run at the championship which will determine if lebron stays or goes

Too much trading and drafting in one season for this to be realistic.
Trading Blatche and Haywood leaves the Wizard with only McGee as a big as Thomas' certainty may still be dependent on his heart condition.
Getting Nocioni and Udrih ain't going to help cleveland as they play positions which are already loaded PG and SF (which James mostly dominates minutes).

 

[Aenadin]

pritchard set a record on draft night with the most moves done... why not petrie?

clevelands point guard rotation.. they can trade boobie gibson to another team.. and has disappeared in clevelands rotation. with udrih they have that bench player as apoint.. and i believe udrih manages to play better if the pressure is off of him...

now you said that lebron dominates the SF position.. which is one reason why they would want nocioni. how far can lebron take the cavs on his own? how much will be left in the tank when hes pushing deep into the playoffs exerting unimaginable energy.. i bet they have two separate drinking coolers one for the team and one for lebron... and lebron could even devour the teams share with all the fluids he has been taking in.

 

[upinsmoke]

While not ideal due to poor moves by the front office but here is realistic...

1. Beno / Jennings /(Jeff teague if he falls to us at 23)
2. Martin / Garcia
3. Nocioni / Greene
4. JT / (DeJuan Blair if he is there at 23) / KT (sigh)
5. Hawes / we need a back up 5 sometime in the off-season

Last but not least but if there is not a solid pg prospect left at #23 then the Kings should take a look at Ronnie Price being a unrestricted FA this year because the Kings backcourt D STINKS!!!

 

[Emma]

Turiaf? Oh hell no.

VF I have to disagree with you here. I really like Turiaf, always have. The dude brings it every night. Pure hustle and he loves to play some ball. It would be like Scot Pollard 2.0.

 

[fnordius]

I'm finding this draft difficult to deal with because there are few defensive bigs available, and the one I'd really like is expected to be gone by #3. I'm not even thinking about trades at this point, because those really don't happen much... we have at least 20 or 30 speculations and half a dozen major press rumors for every trade that happens. So I'm just going to skip that, and leave it at draft night.

1. #4Rubio (or Flynn, should Rubio be unavailable)/#23Collison/#31Mills - Yes, we definitely end up with our PG needs met after this draft
2. KMart/Garcia
3. Nocioni/Garcia/Greene
4-5. Hawes/JT/undrafted-Slava Kravtsov

Bench: Udrih, KT, ???, Diogu? (I'm thinking maybe he could play at SF a bit, in the event of Nocioni and/or Garcia being traded, as well as small ball PF when the matchup seemed good... but only if he's available cheap). The remaining bench spot (for us to hit Geoff's favored roster of 14) could be a big, but a SG might be preferable. and I wouldn't rule out BJax if he were available at vet's minimum. He can play the 2 fairly well, and I think he's a good influence.

Udrih is definite trade bait, and Nocioni and Garcia not too far behind. Unless KT could be used in a trade that would unload other contracts, I'd prefer to keep him and let his contract expire.

It's not a full rebuild by any means, but it leaves us with lots of youngsters and no huge holes, with flexibility to trade, and I'd imagine with another good shot at an early pick next year. The focus becomes 90% development, with ticket sales driven by the excitement of a young, high energy team with lots of ball movement. And it's totally realistic.

 

[DoDiGaG0]

The pro's for Turiaf seem good to me. What are the con's? (besides the enlarged aortic root that required open-heart surgery)

well he has no notable offensive game and is sort of foul prone.

but the guy hast the heart/energy that we really were lacking, especially off the bench. He can play either the 4 and 5 and is a defensive role player/shot blocker who can compliment both JT and Hawes

 

[DoDiGaG0]

1. trade 4th and kt for 2nd and jaric
2. Draft Rubio
3. Trade martin for haywood, blatche and 5th
4. Draft Tyreke Evans
5. Trade Nocioni and udrih for ben wallace and 1st round and 2nd rounder
6. with cavs 23rd select Terrence Williams
7. with the 30th pat mills
8. draft vladimir dasic for 31st pick
9. Draft using Clevelands pick.. josh heytvelt

line up

rubio/mills
Evans/Williams
Garcia/Greene
Thompson/Blatche/Dasic
Hawes/haywood/Heytvelt

wiz does this trade to unload two useless players for scorer at the cost of the top 5 pick

cleveland does this to get the help lebron needs... for one last run at the championship which will determine if lebron stays or goes

all things aside, huge fan of vladimir dasic

seems to have a huge upside but a limited bball IQ, but he's still young and considering his potential he is def worth a second round pick... I think he goes in the late first though, which no draft site is expecting..

 

[VF21]

VF I have to disagree with you here. I really like Turiaf, always have. The dude brings it every night. Pure hustle and he loves to play some ball. It would be like Scot Pollard 2.0.

I maybe could be persuaded otherwise, but I look at him and I don't see Scot Pollard 2.0 ... I see someone with the basketball acumen of a turnip. I have never liked him but I'll honestly admit I'm not totally sure what it is that sets off my spidey senses about him.

 

[VF21]

pritchard set a record on draft night with the most moves done... why not petrie?

Why not Petrie? You could just as easily ask "Why don't carrots have berries and grow on trees?"

Any "realistic" projection about our lineup for the coming year has to include realistic actions on the part of the front office.

 

[rainmaker]

1) Draft Rubio or Flynn with the #4
2) Draft Mills or Teague with the #23- I think there is a decent chance Teague falls to #23
3) Trade #31 to Utah for Fesenko
4) Use our MLE on Gortat or another young big that will contribute right away-assuming we get a pg with the #4

Of course there are many scenarios that can play out, but I think this would be a realistic one that would fill a few of our needs with some young talent.

 

[gunks]

I'm not sure if I want to trade up for Rubio. KT could be a valuable trade asset halfway through the season. And there's a real chance that Rubio is there at 4. If he's not, just take Flynn.

+1


I dont think Rubio is really head and shoulders above other PGs in the draft. Not so much that its worth giving up anything for him when we can get a guy just as good.


I would like for us to....

Trade Martin to OKC for their pick (Durant/Martin on the wings...Thats some scoring) and some filler (expiring, or decent contracts...Depends how bad they want Kev). Grab Harden with the pick, or Evans if Harden is off the board. Get Flynn with our #4. Package our other picks to move up a bit and get another G (Teague, Williams). Trade Beno for a bag of Chips.


As far as FA signings go, I dont think we should break the bank. Just get us a 3rd big. Maybe Gortat? (Doubtful).

1: Flynn, Teague
2: Harden (Evans?), Garcia
3: Noc, Garcia, Greene
4: JT, FA big
5: Hawes, FA big


...Now, what we have there is another 17 win crew, but MAAAAYBE our new coach can get us to 20-25. Exciting youthful team regardless, shades of Portland from a couple seasons ago with all the potential. Lots of chances for future allstars to rise out of that lineup and hopefully Kings marketing can play that up enough so that Arco doesnt become abandoned entirely. We get another high draft pick, and sign some vets in 2010 to round out the roster. BAM! We knock the Lakers out in the first round of the 2011 playoffs!

Its a two year plan

 

[nbrans]

I don't think Teague is going to be around at #23. There have been rumors that the Bucks like him at #10. So here's my plan.

Trade #4 and #31 to Minnesota for #6 and #18 (kingsin07 originally posted this idea).

#6: Teague
#18: Mullens
#23: Heytvelt

Offseason: KT, Thompson, Beno, '10 first rounder to Phoenix for Amare, Dragic (Bricklayer's idea)

Try and sign Sessions outright (everyone's idea)

'09/'10

PG: Sessions, Teague, Dragic
SG: Martin, Garcia
SF: Nocioni, Garcia, Greene
PF: Amare, Heytvelt
C: Hawes, Mullens

 

[DoDiGaG0]

I don't think Teague is going to be around at #23. There have been rumors that the Bucks like him at #10. So here's my plan.

Trade #4 and #31 to Minnesota for #6 and #18 (kingsin07 originally posted this idea).

#6: Teague
#18: Mullens
#23: Heytvelt

Offseason: KT, Thompson, Beno, '10 first rounder to Phoenix for Amare, Dragic (Bricklayer's idea)

Try and sign Sessions outright (everyone's idea)

'09/'10

PG: Sessions, Flynn, Dragic
SG: Martin, Garcia
SF: Nocioni, Garcia, Greene
PF: Amare, Heytvelt
C: Hawes, Mullens

no thanks to Sessions, rather split the MLE between a 4th big and some more role players and id rather get Flynn at #6, Blair #18, and Terrance Williams at 23(defensive stopper)

I prefer Blair because of his ability to defend the post, grab boards, and hustle -- something our bigs seem to be not too great at. I agree that Mullens is a better talent but the fact is that Mullens is a poor mans spencer hawes and we don't need 3 big's who can't guard anyone down low
otherwise looks good

 

[nbrans]

no thanks to Sessions, rather split the MLE between a 4th big and some more role players and id rather get Flynn at #6, Blair #18, and Terrance Williams at 23(defensive stopper)

I prefer Blair because of his ability to defend the post, grab boards, and hustle -- something our bigs seem to be not too great at. I agree that Mullens is a better talent but the fact is that Mullens is a poor mans spencer hawes and we don't need 3 big's who can't guard anyone down low
otherwise looks good

You would rather have a 6'6" earthbound power forward with bad knees over a 7'1" jumping bean?

 

[jon e]

moves:
trade kevin martin to okc for 3rd pick
draft
#3 ricky rubio/brandon jennings
#4 james harden
#23 gani lawal
#31 patty mills

rubio/mills
harden
nocioni
thompson
hawes

suck another year and get another pick next year while the young backcourt gets nba experience

 

[VF21]

moves:
trade kevin martin to okc for 3rd pick
draft
#3 ricky rubio/brandon jennings
#4 james harden
#23 gani lawal
#31 patty mills

rubio/mills
harden
nocioni
thompson
hawes

suck another year and get another pick next year while the young backcourt gets nba experience

Lawal withdrew from the draft...

And the Kings aren't going to be in the "suck another year" mode for the simple reason they can't afford it. They have to do something to get posteriors back in the seats and whether or not you agree with his value, Kevin Martin puts butts in the seats. Trading him for a draft pick in a less than stellar draft would not go over that well.

 

[jon e]

Lawal withdrew from the draft...

whoops! then i pick some big guy

 

[gunks]

Lawal withdrew from the draft...

And the Kings aren't going to be in the "suck another year" mode for the simple reason they can't afford it. They have to do something to get posteriors back in the seats and whether or not you agree with his value, Kevin Martin puts butts in the seats. Trading him for a draft pick in a less than stellar draft would not go over that well.

I dont really think its up to the Kings honestly. Our roster puts us in "suck another year" mode by default. And the economy is hurting attendance as well. So unless we go into next season with Amare and Rondo on the roster I think we're a 25 win team tops.

Thankfully next year's draft is legit (compared to this one). If we dont get a top 3 pick, we'll probably have an expendable young player to move up (if we trade Martin for a pick this draft). I think an elite rookie will put more butts in the seats then your oft injured boy Martin.

Also: Martin for a top 3 pick trumps any of Petrie's last several trades by a mile. Bibby for Sheldon and a wasted second round pick? Miller AND Salmons for Noc (WTF was that noise? And to think my Miller for Tyrus trade got blasted on here!). I miss the days when GP actually fleeced GMs on trades.

-end rant-


That being said...I get what you're saying. I'm hoping that the Maloofs have enough money coming in from their other ventures to suck up a big monetary loss with the Kings again next season. One more high draft pick, and the 2010 FA offseason, and I think we're back in the playoffs in 2011 as an exciting young team with lots of room to grow.

Hopefully that exciting young team will still be in Sac.