You guys wanted losses and you are getting them...

[RalphySampson]

So lets all stop the whining. The goal in blowing up the team was to create a youth movement and hopefully lose enough games this year to get a better lottery pick. It looks like we have acheived that goal. Lately, all I hear on this forum is whining and crying about not winning. What is it that you want exactly?

Yes, I know the standard response will be that we aren't competing or playing hard or that the kids aren't playing enough. Reggie was without Miller for the first 5 games and KMart and Cisco have basically been out all year. This is the NBA and teams will take advantage of that weakness.

We have seen a lot of bright spots in our kids and we have shown that on certain nights be can compete with the best of them (i.e. the New Orleans win and competing against the Lakers on the road). We have had numerous close game defeats mostly due to our veterans choking down the stretch. See Salmons and Miller on this issue. These guys won't even be a part of our team in a year or two so who cares?

Now it looks as though Reggie has finally received his orders from the Maloofs to give the kids more minutes. I expect the losing to continue but I think the team will gain more from it in the longrun. So let's stop the whining about losing when this is really you wanted all along and you are getting it.

 

[fnordius]

Who was whining about losing?

 

[nbrans]

I think people wanted two things: losing and young players getting playing time. Right now it's one out of two.

 

[Kings Faithful]

I think we're gonna see a nice streak of wins, as well as increased playing time for the youngsters. In fact i think the two will be related to each other. As long as our team is healthy, we have a good team. Players just need to be consistent and not stretch muscles, or break fingers every other game.

 

[RalphySampson]

I think we're gonna see a nice streak of wins, as well as increased playing time for the youngsters. In fact i think the two will be related to each other. As long as our team is healthy, we have a good team. Players just need to be consistent and not stretch muscles, or break fingers every other game.

I hope you're right. If the youngsters can win games now then that's fantastic. If they can't, then we at least need to see glimpses of what the future will be.

 

[VF21]

So lets all stop the whining. The goal in blowing up the team was to create a youth movement and hopefully lose enough games this year to get a better lottery pick. It looks like we have acheived that goal. Lately, all I hear on this forum is whining and crying about not winning. What is it that you want exactly?

Yes, I know the standard response will be that we aren't competing or playing hard or that the kids aren't playing enough. Reggie was without Miller for the first 5 games and KMart and Cisco have basically been out all year. This is the NBA and teams will take advantage of that weakness.

We have seen a lot of bright spots in our kids and we have shown that on certain nights be can compete with the best of them (i.e. the New Orleans win and competing against the Lakers on the road). We have had numerous close game defeats mostly due to our veterans choking down the stretch. See Salmons and Miller on this issue. These guys won't even be a part of our team in a year or two so who cares?

Now it looks as though Reggie has finally received his orders from the Maloofs to give the kids more minutes. I expect the losing to continue but I think the team will gain more from it in the longrun. So let's stop the whining about losing when this is really you wanted all along and you are getting it.

So what exactly is the purpose of your post?

NOBODY wanted the Kings to lose as the sole goal. NOBODY. People have talked about and expressed different views on how rebuilding could best be accomplished.

If you have a different view of games than someone else, it doesn't mean yours is right and someone else is wrong.

We're all here because we love the Kings. We may have different expectations and feel very strongly about different ways to reach those expectations, but I'm not seeing "whining" about losing. I'm seeing discontent about how things are being accomplished. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I really think that's what message boards are all about.

If you want to talk about the team, cool. If you want to respond to a particular poster about a particular comment, feel free. But please, if you would, don't put words in my mouth or a lot of the other posters who have been here a long time, sharing the joys and sorrows of the Sacramento Kings.

I won't speak for anyone else but I am NOT happy with how the team has looked or how they've lost games. And I'm not going to pull punches about what I think is wrong.

I didn't want losses. I want a team that's exciting to watch, is rebuilding for the future and, on occasion, takes my breath away. Because we are a work in progress, I'll accept the losses if the effort and focus is there.

Even those who want another lottery draft pick do not want to see the veterans logging major minutes in a losing situation, They want to see the veterans traded away so the kids will get the time they need to develop. And, because it will be a YOUNG team, despite their best efforts they'll lose and we'll get another good spot in the draft.

I'm sorry you cannot see the difference but I don't think you have the right to point fingers or act smug and superior. Bottom line is we all want the same thing from the Kings - we want excitement, we want a team that someday is able to bring a trophy to Sacramento, and we want to know that they're trying the best they can to do it.

 

[piksi]

So lets all stop the whining. The goal in blowing up the team was to create a youth movement and hopefully lose enough games this year to get a better lottery pick. It looks like we have acheived that goal. Lately, all I hear on this forum is whining and crying about not winning. What is it that you want exactly?

Yes, I know the standard response will be that we aren't competing or playing hard or that the kids aren't playing enough. Reggie was without Miller for the first 5 games and KMart and Cisco have basically been out all year. This is the NBA and teams will take advantage of that weakness.

We have seen a lot of bright spots in our kids and we have shown that on certain nights be can compete with the best of them (i.e. the New Orleans win and competing against the Lakers on the road). We have had numerous close game defeats mostly due to our veterans choking down the stretch. See Salmons and Miller on this issue. These guys won't even be a part of our team in a year or two so who cares?

Now it looks as though Reggie has finally received his orders from the Maloofs to give the kids more minutes. I expect the losing to continue but I think the team will gain more from it in the longrun. So let's stop the whining about losing when this is really you wanted all along and you are getting it.

no one is crying about losing

it is all about how we are losing which is unacceptable

 

[RalphySampson]

So what exactly is the purpose of your post?

NOBODY wanted the Kings to lose as the sole goal. NOBODY. People have talked about and expressed different views on how rebuilding could best be accomplished.

If you have a different view of games than someone else, it doesn't mean yours is right and someone else is wrong.

We're all here because we love the Kings. We may have different expectations and feel very strongly about different ways to reach those expectations, but I'm not seeing "whining" about losing. I'm seeing discontent about how things are being accomplished. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I really think that's what message boards are all about.

If you want to talk about the team, cool. If you want to respond to a particular poster about a particular comment, feel free. But please, if you would, don't put words in my mouth or a lot of the other posters who have been here a long time, sharing the joys and sorrows of the Sacramento Kings.

I won't speak for anyone else but I am NOT happy with how the team has looked or how they've lost games. And I'm not going to pull punches about what I think is wrong.

I didn't want losses. I want a team that's exciting to watch, is rebuilding for the future and, on occasion, takes my breath away. Because we are a work in progress, I'll accept the losses if the effort and focus is there.

Even those who want another lottery draft pick do not want to see the veterans logging major minutes in a losing situation, They want to see the veterans traded away so the kids will get the time they need to develop. And, because it will be a YOUNG team, despite their best efforts they'll lose and we'll get another good spot in the draft.

I'm sorry you cannot see the difference but I don't think you have the right to point fingers or act smug and superior. Bottom line is we all want the same thing from the Kings - we want excitement, we want a team that someday is able to bring a trophy to Sacramento, and we want to know that they're trying the best they can to do it.

Act smug and superior? I know you don't like me, but you are way off base here. If you go back and read the boards during the past couple of weeks during this losing streak about 95% of the posts are about how awful the team is, or how Reggie needs to go, or how the Maloofs or GP don't know what they are doing, etc.

During the offseason you and a lot of other posters wanted a rebuild. You wanted to get rid of the dead weight like Bibby and Artest. You wanted to go young and have something to look forward to in the future despite likely giving up wins because those guys were no longer on the team. I too wanted this because I knew that we weren't going to win a championship with Artest and Bibby. But I have expected the losing. I knew there would be stretches like this where the team would play bad and we would have a long losing streak. This streak will end at some point and everybody will get all fired up here again. Then later on, another losing streak will happen and everybody will think the world is ending.

When you rebuild and have a lot of young guys playing minutes, you will lose. I just don't get why everybody is so pissed off and wants Reggie's head. He is experimenting. Has he gone with the vets too much? Maybe. But in my opinion, he overachieved with the group he had last year and he deserves a little more respect that you give him. Eventually, the kids will get their minutes and they will gain that experience but I don't think he wants to just hand them minutes without earning them because that might not be the best thing for them. It's kind of like a spoiled kid who gets everything he wants and then grows up and is a failure. Get it?

So before you start calling me names or give me "infractions" because you don't like my posts or you can't handle the truth I spew maybe you should think first. Just because you have 800,000,000 posts on here doesn't make you an expert or give you the right to try and bully me.

 

[RalphySampson]

no one is crying about losing

it is all about how we are losing which is unacceptable

I understand where you are coming from here but what do you expect when Kevin, Cisco and Brad have all missed major time, we have kids playing lots of minutes and we have dead weight in guys like Kenny and Quincy?

 

[SacTownKid]

I think people wanted two things: losing and young players getting playing time. Right now it's one out of two.

And in a nutshell THIS is the only issue I think people are pinched off about. We're going to lose anyway why not develop the young guys? Then at least the losing isn't for nothing.

 

[miltonap]

owned

 

[Variant]

The OP has a point (and I'm not just saying that because everyone is piling on). I think a lot of us envisioned the team doing exactly what it's doing now... playing as well as a young team can (which really is going to be 'inconsisntently' at best) and losing most of its games. Keeping in mind of course that we're missing some key guys...

However! It just so happens that first and foremost we're still fans, and it's awfully hard to a) root for your team to lose and b) enjoy seeing them do it.

Honestly, I think if our past selves from the summer could see where the team is at currently we'd all say "yeah, that's about right" and not be too upset.

 

[RalphySampson]

The OP has a point (and I'm not just saying that because everyone is piling on). I think a lot of us envisioned the team doing exactly what it's doing now... playing as well as a young team can (which really is going to be 'inconsisntently' at best) and losing most of its games. Keeping in mind of course that we're missing some key guys...

However! It just so happens that first and foremost we're still fans, and it's awfully hard to a) root for your team to lose and b) enjoy seeing them do it.

Honestly, I think if our past selves from the summer could see where the team is at currently we'd all say "yeah, that's about right" and not be too upset.

I couldn't agree more. It's clear that we have some kids that can play. That is a huge success. I don't think that any of us envisioned that JT would be as good as he's been this early and that Spencer would be this improved. That alone has made this season a success because it's not often that late lottery picks can be this good this early.

The way I look at it is we could easily be 8-11 or somewhere in that range if some of those close games went our way, and that is WITHOUT KMart, Cisco, and Brad for the majority of the time. Who knows what our record would be if we were at full strength.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Ive said this a bunch of times on here, but I will say it again as I think it goes with this topic well.

We have played about 20 or so games, and about 10 games in the Maloofs were calling out our coach. They were calling him out because we were losing, because of his "schemes".

Reggie Theus is a GOOD COACH, what he did last year was boarder line incredible. Martin, Bibby and others missed huge chunks of time and we were close to .500 Now I know alot of people here didnt want .500 and called the wins pointless blah blah blah, well when you have 2 owners with no patience that keep pressuring the GOOD coach to win games, he's going to do whatever it takes to win, his JOB was on the line. HIS JOB WAS ON THE LINE. blame the owners for the wins. Not the man doing his job well and at the same time barely keeping his job.

I hate how the maloofs say they need to play the young players more. How bout you give the coach some security and stop flaming him and he wont be forced to play every game like it is a must win.

Now to this year, you miss miller for 5 games, Cisco for every game and martin for over half of the games and your worse than oklahoma city. Some people here dont realize that.

When your starting lineup is

Udrih
Salmons
Thompson
Moore
Miller

you shouldnt beat anybody Thompson is playing way out of position, moore still has pan hands, salmons is a ball hog and miller is old.

Theres just so many things wrong with this team, and most it starts with the maloofs.

This being said, Im glad we have owners that will spend money, but they try and get so involved .. they have picked our last two coach's if im not mistaken and then threw them under the bus.

Mussleman was horrible, but I will say it again ; Theus is a good coach.

We cant keep switching coach's or its going to make the youth movement take even longer .. Rookies and young players need some consistency in there coaching ..


I have alot more to say, but i'll leave it at that for now.

 

[RalphySampson]

Ive said this a bunch of times on here, but I will say it again as I think it goes with this topic well.

We have played about 20 or so games, and about 10 games in the Maloofs were calling out our coach. They were calling him out because we were losing, because of his "schemes".

Reggie Theus is a GOOD COACH, what he did last year was boarder line incredible. Martin, Bibby and others missed huge chunks of time and we were close to .500 Now I know alot of people here didnt want .500 and called the wins pointless blah blah blah, well when you have 2 owners with no patience that keep pressuring the GOOD coach to win games, he's going to do whatever it takes to win, his JOB was on the line. HIS JOB WAS ON THE LINE. blame the owners for the wins. Not the man doing his job well and at the same time barely keeping his job.

I hate how the maloofs say they need to play the young players more. How bout you give the coach some security and stop flaming him and he wont be forced to play every game like it is a must win.

Now to this year, you miss miller for 5 games, Cisco for every game and martin for over half of the games and your worse than oklahoma city. Some people here dont realize that.

When your starting lineup is

Udrih
Salmons
Thompson
Moore
Miller

you shouldnt beat anybody Thompson is playing way out of position, moore still has pan hands, salmons is a ball hog and miller is old.

Theres just so many things wrong with this team, and most it starts with the maloofs.

This being said, Im glad we have owners that will spend money, but they try and get so involved .. they have picked our last two coach's if im not mistaken and then threw them under the bus.

Mussleman was horrible, but I will say it again ; Theus is a good coach.

We cant keep switching coach's or its going to make the youth movement take even longer .. Rookies and young players need some consistency in there coaching ..


I have alot more to say, but i'll leave it at that for now.

I like your post and you say a lot of good things that I've been trying to say as well.

 

[VF21]

Act smug and superior? I know you don't like me, but you are way off base here. If you go back and read the boards during the past couple of weeks during this losing streak about 95% of the posts are about how awful the team is, or how Reggie needs to go, or how the Maloofs or GP don't know what they are doing, etc.

During the offseason you and a lot of other posters wanted a rebuild. You wanted to get rid of the dead weight like Bibby and Artest. You wanted to go young and have something to look forward to in the future despite likely giving up wins because those guys were no longer on the team. I too wanted this because I knew that we weren't going to win a championship with Artest and Bibby. But I have expected the losing. I knew there would be stretches like this where the team would play bad and we would have a long losing streak. This streak will end at some point and everybody will get all fired up here again. Then later on, another losing streak will happen and everybody will think the world is ending.

When you rebuild and have a lot of young guys playing minutes, you will lose. I just don't get why everybody is so pissed off and wants Reggie's head. He is experimenting. Has he gone with the vets too much? Maybe. But in my opinion, he overachieved with the group he had last year and he deserves a little more respect that you give him. Eventually, the kids will get their minutes and they will gain that experience but I don't think he wants to just hand them minutes without earning them because that might not be the best thing for them. It's kind of like a spoiled kid who gets everything he wants and then grows up and is a failure. Get it?

So before you start calling me names or give me "infractions" because you don't like my posts or you can't handle the truth I spew maybe you should think first. Just because you have 800,000,000 posts on here doesn't make you an expert or give you the right to try and bully me.

You chose your title and opening sentence. That pretty much set the tone - it sounded smug and superior, and to me it still does. Sorry if you do not see it.

You're missing a lot of the point I've tried to make numerous times about the win/loss potential of this current squad and what I think Theus should be trying to accomplish so I'll just leave it at that.

 

[RalphySampson]

You chose your title and opening sentence. That pretty much set the tone - it sounded smug and superior, and to me it still does. Sorry if you do not see it.

You're missing a lot of the point I've tried to make numerous times about the win/loss potential of this current squad and what I think Theus should be trying to accomplish so I'll just leave it at that.

VF..I really do see your point. Honestly, I do. All I'm saying is that given the set of circumstances that Reggie has had to deal with, it's nearly impossible for this squad to play every night like they did in New Orleans or against the Lakers. When you have young guys mixed in with over the hill veterans like Miller and Moore and a point guard who mentally checks out of every other game, you just aren't going to have consistent effort.

As for playing the kids more, I stand by what I said. You have to make them earn their minutes. You don't just give them 40 minutes a game because our team sucks and you want to develop them. They are going to get plenty of minutes this season. They are also developing quite nicely. You can't just give kids everything they want because they will lose their hunger. You keep the carrot in front of their nose and keep them playing hard every minute so they can develop great work ethic and energy at all times.

Do you remember when we had the Travis Mays, Duane Causwell, Lionell Simmons, and Anthony Bonner draft? Those kids were handed 30+ minutes a game when they didn't deserve it. They all pretty much ended up being busts with the exception of Simmons who had a decent career which was plagued by injuries. Now I'm not suggesting that those rookies have the same talent as our youngsters, but I just think that you have to bring them along slowly. I feel that Reggie is doing fine with them for now. Do you not give him ANY credit for the development that we have seen already from them?

 

[VF21]

VF..I really do see your point. Honestly, I do. All I'm saying is that given the set of circumstances that Reggie has had to deal with, it's nearly impossible for this squad to play every night like they did in New Orleans or against the Lakers. When you have young guys mixed in with over the hill veterans like Miller and Moore and a point guard who mentally checks out of every other game, you just aren't going to have consistent effort.

As for playing the kids more, I stand by what I said. You have to make them earn their minutes. You don't just give them 40 minutes a game because our team sucks and you want to develop them. They are going to get plenty of minutes this season. They are also developing quite nicely. You can't just give kids everything they want because they will lose their hunger. You keep the carrot in front of their nose and keep them playing hard every minute so they can develop great work ethic and energy at all times.

Do you remember when we had the Travis Mays, Duane Causwell, Lionell Simmons, and Anthony Bonner draft? Those kids were handed 30+ minutes a game when they didn't deserve it. They all pretty much ended up being busts with the exception of Simmons who had a decent career which was plagued by injuries. Now I'm not suggesting that those rookies have the same talent as our youngsters, but I just think that you have to bring them along slowly. I feel that Reggie is doing fine with them for now. Do you not give him ANY credit for the development that we have seen already from them?

I do understand your point better and will address this more after the game. I don't think the kids should get minutes handed to them on a plate, for example, but I don't think they should be yanked in favor of veterans quite so quickly, either.

I was one of those who really celebrated having Reggie Theus come to the Kings because of what he did in New Mexico, so I know what he can do. I think he just needs to remember he's a coach now and not an NBA player.

But I'll get back to this after the game. I'm already late for my own PBP...

 

[Showtime]

Thompson: 2:49 of playing time in the first half. I don't care if the team loses, I just want the youth to lose and gain experience instead of watching Miller and Moore lose games.

 

[VF21]

Jason's limited playing time is EXACTLY what I've been talking about. Put him out there with Udrih, Martin, Garcia and Hawes and let them run for just a little bit. Let them get just a taste of what their future is going to be together. They'll learn and they'll feed off each other's energy.

Udrih, Martin, Garcia, Thompson and Hawes are the future of this franchise, at least based on what we currently have on our roster. Give them an opportunity to find out what it's like to get some actual game minutes together.

 

[sdballer]

The real problem is the Maloof's/Petrie's handling of the coaching situation. If you want a coach to play youngsters in a rebuild which suggests you are probably going to lose you need to support them in that quest. Instead, they grumble when they aren't winning, send mixed messages about rebuild/win now and basically act like spoiled children.

So in my opinion, you can't really blame a coach in that situation for trying to balance both, even when they fail. If upper management truly accepts we are going to lose and need to develop youngsters, say that. All of that. Not just the we want to see youngsters but should also be winning.

 

[kf4l]

Well i know im not whining about losing but I am very upset with our vets getting so many freakin minutes while our rookies are either not being utilized right or rotting on the bench. Very poor coaching job but as far as losing i could care less as long as its the young guys playing and developing.

 

[Variant]

Hey, as long as we're putting Quincy Douby in at the end of close games as our "finisher", we'll be just fine.

lol

 

[sactown_draftpick]

Hey, as long as we're putting Quincy Douby in at the end of close games as our "finisher", we'll be just fine.

lol

lol that's what i was just posting in the Jazz Kings Grade Thread...basically making a better pick for us to make up for the useless Draft Choice we wasted!

 

[Kingster]

So lets all stop the whining. The goal in blowing up the team was to create a youth movement and hopefully lose enough games this year to get a better lottery pick. It looks like we have acheived that goal. Lately, all I hear on this forum is whining and crying about not winning. What is it that you want exactly?

Yes, I know the standard response will be that we aren't competing or playing hard or that the kids aren't playing enough. Reggie was without Miller for the first 5 games and KMart and Cisco have basically been out all year. This is the NBA and teams will take advantage of that weakness.

We have seen a lot of bright spots in our kids and we have shown that on certain nights be can compete with the best of them (i.e. the New Orleans win and competing against the Lakers on the road). We have had numerous close game defeats mostly due to our veterans choking down the stretch. See Salmons and Miller on this issue. These guys won't even be a part of our team in a year or two so who cares?

Now it looks as though Reggie has finally received his orders from the Maloofs to give the kids more minutes. I expect the losing to continue but I think the team will gain more from it in the longrun. So let's stop the whining about losing when this is really you wanted all along and you are getting it.

I'm whining because Theus, even after his supposed orders, is still playing freaking Miki Moore over Jason Thompson. And Theus in tonight's radio interview said that the reason he started Hawes is because of an injury to Salmons. That implies that Hawes's pt could diminish when Salmons comes back. That does not give me great confidence that the kids will in fact be played when the vets are healthy. I'm not whining about not winning. I'm delighted about the prospect about a very high draft pick. The only thing I care about is developing the kids. The losing this year will take care of itself.

 

[killerpinoy87]

this is bad the fact our young dudes not having playing time and the fact were losing.

 

[bajaden]

I understand where you are coming from here but what do you expect when Kevin, Cisco and Brad have all missed major time, we have kids playing lots of minutes and we have dead weight in guys like Kenny and Quincy?

I think you have mentioned a lot of different issues that are all connected in some way. By that I mean different people complain about different things. I think when you make an all incompassing statement, your going to get responses from everyone. Even those that perhaps are in agreement with you.

For instance, I haven't complained about the losing persay, but I have complained about the way the young players haven't gotten enough time at moments that matter, and were still losing. For the most part, you and I want the same thing, but your initial statement would include me, because I did complain. That sounds a little muddled to me, but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

I'am an ex-marine by the way. And when you join the Marine Corps, the frist thing they tell you is that when you become a Marine, you lose every right you have except one. And thats the right to *****. Thats why a lot of us are here, but at least I have an excuse.

 

[Smills91]

Ive said this a bunch of times on here, but I will say it again as I think it goes with this topic well.

We have played about 20 or so games, and about 10 games in the Maloofs were calling out our coach. They were calling him out because we were losing, because of his "schemes".

Reggie Theus is a GOOD COACH, what he did last year was boarder line incredible. Martin, Bibby and others missed huge chunks of time and we were close to .500 Now I know alot of people here didnt want .500 and called the wins pointless blah blah blah, well when you have 2 owners with no patience that keep pressuring the GOOD coach to win games, he's going to do whatever it takes to win, his JOB was on the line. HIS JOB WAS ON THE LINE. blame the owners for the wins. Not the man doing his job well and at the same time barely keeping his job.

I hate how the maloofs say they need to play the young players more. How bout you give the coach some security and stop flaming him and he wont be forced to play every game like it is a must win.

Now to this year, you miss miller for 5 games, Cisco for every game and martin for over half of the games and your worse than oklahoma city. Some people here dont realize that.

When your starting lineup is

Udrih
Salmons
Thompson
Moore
Miller

you shouldnt beat anybody Thompson is playing way out of position, moore still has pan hands, salmons is a ball hog and miller is old.

Theres just so many things wrong with this team, and most it starts with the maloofs.

This being said, Im glad we have owners that will spend money, but they try and get so involved .. they have picked our last two coach's if im not mistaken and then threw them under the bus.

Mussleman was horrible, but I will say it again ; Theus is a good coach.

We cant keep switching coach's or its going to make the youth movement take even longer .. Rookies and young players need some consistency in there coaching ..


I have alot more to say, but i'll leave it at that for now.

+1 I couldn't agree more.

 

[Bricklayer]

Reggie has certainly proven to be something of a professional loser -- he proved it as a player, is proving it as a coach. But if he would just learn to lose in the right way (playing the kids) he'd be almost perfect for this situation. Cheap, expendable, helping us with our draft position. But that ego is just remarkable. There really is no excuse for him getting fired this early except for he himself. All he had to do was say yes sir, if that's the way you want to play it, and he gets his two years. But no, not Reggie. In some ways its worse than Muss -- Reggie can coach a little. Sometimes. Can reach his players. Sometimes. And then to get yourself fired over Mikki freakin' Moore? Really?

 

[kingzzzfan4ever]

So lets all stop the whining. The goal in blowing up the team was to create a youth movement and hopefully lose enough games this year to get a better lottery pick. It looks like we have acheived that goal. Lately, all I hear on this forum is whining and crying about not winning. What is it that you want exactly?

Yes, I know the standard response will be that we aren't competing or playing hard or that the kids aren't playing enough. Reggie was without Miller for the first 5 games and KMart and Cisco have basically been out all year. This is the NBA and teams will take advantage of that weakness.

We have seen a lot of bright spots in our kids and we have shown that on certain nights be can compete with the best of them (i.e. the New Orleans win and competing against the Lakers on the road). We have had numerous close game defeats mostly due to our veterans choking down the stretch. See Salmons and Miller on this issue. These guys won't even be a part of our team in a year or two so who cares?

Now it looks as though Reggie has finally received his orders from the Maloofs to give the kids more minutes. I expect the losing to continue but I think the team will gain more from it in the longrun. So let's stop the whining about losing when this is really you wanted all along and you are getting it.

First of all, I can finally watch Kings games through NBA League Pass..YAY! I've noticed that the Kings lack QUALITY veteran players that can post up 20 ppg, 10 rpg, etc. and play with that intensity that leads to winning. Seriously, if you look at those top tier teams you will notice that they have those experienced, QUALITY veterans that make their teams work (Lakers, Celtics, Jazz, Cavaliers, etc). Right now, the Kings are at the bottom of the barrel, every team has experienced that in their respective franchise histories and I think we got to play the young guys so that they can earn experience and hopefully Petrie could add some QUALITY veterans in the offseason. The team should NOT be losing games but putting in 110% effort each night. Lastly, I think Theus is playing with the team he's got, not necessarily the team he wants and all I expect is a team that tries hard and DOES NOT INTENTIONALLY LOSE.