Yahoo scouting videos are up

[BMiller52]

Call me crazy but that Horford video reminds me a bit of prime C-Webb.

 

[Bricklayer]

Call me crazy but that Horford video reminds me a bit of prime C-Webb.

He doesn't have anywhere near the skills. But it was a tape on a guy who has everything that you look for in a prototype PF. I don't think he's going to be a revolutionary anything, but now that he measured out to good size, he's almost can't miss as a good one. Great one? Who knows if he has that spark. But he's got post game, rebounding, defense, physicality...prototype big ole PF.

 

[BMiller52]

Yeah but he showed a great mid range J and a few nice passes also. I think this guy is going to be a star. But if we wanted him we'd have to find a way to move up with Memphis, probably using Bibby.

 

[SacTownKid]

You may have watched him play a lot, and that might explian why you are a fan, but off of that video I have a very hard time seeing how you could conceive of him being even a parttime PF. He's at best average sized for even a SF, and skinny to boot. Green or Wright might be able to swing up sometimes, but this guy looks to be a pure SF. Whihc BTW might be a good thing since it eliminates the smallball temptation.

Al Thornton is actually pretty well built with a body that can certainly gain another 10 to 15 pounds. He's definately bigger and longer than a guy like Marion.

 

[Bricklayer]

Al Thornton is actually pretty well built with a body that can certainly gain another 10 to 15 pounds. He's definately bigger and longer than a guy like Marion.

He measured out at about 6'5" without shoes. Long arms. But that's not enough. After seeing his vid I am both confused about why anybody would think he could play PF in the NBA, and equally confused about why anybody would have concerns he cannot play SF. He has every small forward move. just lacks a bit of quickness.

there is no way he can guard an NBA PF though. Well...maybe one of ours. (no, even there Reef would chew him up inside)

 

[Bricklayer]

As an aside, vids I have been impressed by

Horford: prototype big paint beast PF

Jianlian: incredibly fast and quick for a guy his size, and a finisher

Davis: showed a lot of skill I did not know he had, not just a sluggish thug, a skill player, maybe a sleeper that way ala Milsap

Bellinelli: does not move like a European player plays fast and hard and vertical, could be a good OG

Brewer: very quick, mentioned he might be an OG, not a SF with that frame, but impact athlete

Smith: not entirely sold, and at #10 its a reach. But if, for instance, we were to make a trade for the #20 from Miami and he was there, I would be pretty damn happy. Might be too soft, but the skills and quickness are intriguing, and has an outside shot at being a sleeper star in a way a guy liek Aaaron Gray simply does not.

As an aside, there is no rule that says if we get two picks that we cannot take two bigs. Our frontline is in compelte disarray. If we traded for #5, got Wright/Horford/Jianlian, and then used #10 to get Smth for instance, that's legal, and would be an incredible coup and chance for a brand new look/feel up front for the franchise. Need that extra pick somehow.

 

[SacTownKid]

He measured out at about 6'5" without shoes. Long arms. But that's not enough. After seeing his vid I am both confused about why anybody would think he could play PF in the NBA, and equally confused about why anybody would have concerns he cannot play SF. He has every small forward move. just lacks a bit of quickness.

there is no way he can guard an NBA PF though. Well...maybe one of ours. (no, even there Reef would chew him up inside)

Actually, he measured far closer to 6'6" than 6'5" without shoes. I don't think anyone has concerns about him not being able to play SF. All I am saying is I think he is versatile, and tough enough to play SF and PF. That video didn't really show the kind of player Al is. He is a lot like Shawn Marion. He is one of the most bouncy players out there, he is strong, and just skies up over players whether it be for a rebound or a shot block.

He kind of reminds me of a larger/more physical Loul Deng. I think he would be a matchup nightmare on the court. You could put him out there with Artest and teams wouldn't know what the heck to do, and I do think he would be able to gaurd NBA PF's.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

He measured out at about 6'5" without shoes. Long arms. But that's not enough. After seeing his vid I am both confused about why anybody would think he could play PF in the NBA, and equally confused about why anybody would have concerns he cannot play SF. He has every small forward move. just lacks a bit of quickness.

there is no way he can guard an NBA PF though. Well...maybe one of ours. (no, even there Reef would chew him up inside)

yes, this is the truth...anyone who thinks that Thornton can play PF, must be a Kenny Thomas fan, as well. The last thing we need is another undersized PF.

 

[Merdiesel]

Spencer Hawes looks pretty nice. He even has some nice blocks and hustle plays in there.

Jason Smith does look good, but he won't be able to do those things in the NBA.

Seriously...
What about that sweet *** fade away jumper??


EDIT:
WOW.
I'm all about Julian Wright!..
Picture him paired up with Martin and Price!

 

[SacTownKid]

yes, this is the truth...anyone who thinks that Thornton can play PF, must be a Kenny Thomas fan, as well. The last thing we need is another undersized PF.

Anybody that thinks Al Thornton and Kenny Thomas are comparable in any significant way must not no what they are talking about.

 

[fnordius]

On the other hand, if we traded Artest for something other than a decent SF, Thornton might not be so bad to have. He'd add some athleticism, rebounding and a modicum of defense to (slightly) make up for what our bigs don't contribute.

 

[Venom]

I'm going to need to see more from Smith than a highlight reel against the Air Force matchup zone, and the shell that was Nick Welch his senior year. I love Welch, great kid, but he couldn't guard anybody this year. Smith seems to have some skill, but I'm a little worried at how thoroughly mediocre CSU was in the Mountain West. A true star should be dominating in that conference and carrying his team. It's just a mid-major, but still. Araujo, for example, decimated that conference while he was at BYU. He looks like Googs to me, which would be nice, but not at #10.

I'm glad some people are coming around on Brewer. If he slides, somehow, Petrie should be all over him. I agree that Brandon Wright should slide come draft day. If he slips to #10, should the Kings draft him? I don't know. For me, it would really depend on if he came in and worked out with the Kings prior to the draft and how his interview went. That kid really need to come across with some passion when he speaks to GMs, cause his game doesn't always show it.

 

[ParniValjak]

I'm going to need to see more from Smith than a highlight reel against the Air Force matchup zone, and the shell that was Nick Welch his senior year. I love Welch, great kid, but he couldn't guard anybody this year. Smith seems to have some skill, but I'm a little worried at how thoroughly mediocre CSU was in the Mountain West. A true star should be dominating in that conference and carrying his team. It's just a mid-major, but still. Araujo, for example, decimated that conference while he was at BYU. He looks like Googs to me, which would be nice, but not at #10.

I'm glad some people are coming around on Brewer. If he slides, somehow, Petrie should be all over him. I agree that Brandon Wright should slide come draft day. If he slips to #10, should the Kings draft him? I don't know. For me, it would really depend on if he came in and worked out with the Kings prior to the draft and how his interview went. That kid really need to come across with some passion when he speaks to GMs, cause his game doesn't always show it.

I like Brewer. He is already good enough to conribute defensively in the NBA and his offence is coming along nicely.

As fro B. Wright, would he even work out for a team picking 10th in the draft?! If he doesn't work out for us, no way Petrie picks him up.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Marion is a lot more quicker laterally than Thornton. He's a good help defender though. He's strictly a one on one player, no passing skills to speak of. The rebounds he gets are stricly from his length and athleticism, he doesn't box out well and he doesn't get good reads either. He's about a 6 rpg player.

 

[SacTownKid]

Marion is a lot more quicker laterally than Thornton. He's a good help defender though. He's strictly a one on one player, no passing skills to speak of. The rebounds he gets are stricly from his length and athleticism, he doesn't box out well and he doesn't get good reads either. He's about a 6 rpg player.

I think his passing skills are highly underrated. Al Thornton had to go one on one a lot, he basically was that FSU team. Rebounding wise he could be very interesting, I think the fact that he gets a lot of rebounds he shouldn't be getting is a good thing. I can't count how many times I have seen this guy go up over 7 footers in traffic and grab the ball before they even knew what happened. I do agree his boxing out needs a little work but that is simply learning better fundamentals. He is smart enough to do that and his aren't even that flawed as is.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Anybody that thinks Al Thornton and Kenny Thomas are comparable in any significant way must not no what they are talking about.

I wasnt actually making a comparison...I was more or less stating that we dont need another undersized 6'7 PF, thats all. Al Thornton was probably a better player than KT is now even when he was in high school. Thornton is very athletic, and I actually wouldnt mind the Kings taking him, especially if he would play SF. Even though we already have a few 'tweeners' already, I think that he could fill the role that Corliss had until Ron leaves in a couple years.(if we dont trade him)

 

[Bricklayer]

I like Brewer. He is already good enough to conribute defensively in the NBA and his offence is coming along nicely.

As for B. Wright, would he even work out for a team picking 10th in the draft?! If he doesn't work out for us, no way Petrie picks him up.

No, I think at that point you HAVE to take B. Wright. If he falls to you, unless Thornton of Jianlain are there too, you just can't let some silly rule begin screwing with the team. Its a good principle, its not so good a principle that you pass up on a young potential stud PF to take the midlevel SF that you thought you were going to be stuck with.

If people took the combine numbers too seriously and decided not to draft Durant and he feel to us at #10, would Geoff not take him? I don't think so. Presumably the difference between a good rule of thumb, and an actual rule.

P.S.. As an aside, Brewer has been a Top 10 prospect since Dya 1, and generally the #1 SF prospect...except that he's very small at SF. Few are sleeping on him. But in particular for us, we almost cannot take him. He and Kevin can NOT be your OG/SF combo or you simply have no answer to anybody who weighs over 200 lbs. LeBron would walk into town and we wouldn't have a single small who was within 50lbs of him. Actually why I say that unless he puts on considerable weight, he may well be somebody's OG. Which is the only postion we currently have covered going forward.

 

[ParniValjak]

No, I think at that point you HAVE to take B. Wright. If he falls to you, unless Thornton of Jianlain are there too, you just can't let some silly rule begin screwing with the team. Its a good principle, its not so good a principle that you pass up on a young potential stud PF to take the midlevel SF that you thought you were going to be stuck with.

If people took the combine numbers too seriously and decided not to draft Durant and he feel to us at #10, would Geoff not take him? I don't think so. Presumably the difference between a good rule of thumb, and an actual rule.

P.S.. As an aside, Brewer has been a Top 10 prospect since Dya 1, and generally the #1 SF prospect...except that he's very small at SF. Few are sleeping on him. But in particular for us, we almost cannot take him. He and Kevin can NOT be your OG/SF combo or you simply have no answer to anybody who weighs over 200 lbs. LeBron would walk into town and we wouldn't have a single small who was within 50lbs of him. Actually why I say that unless he puts on considerable weight, he may well be somebody's OG. Which is the only postion we currently have covered going forward.

Oh I agree with you with the sliders comment! No doubt if someone who was considered a top 5 or so pick slides down to 10 then I sure as hell hope that Petrie drafts him. It would be stupid not to. I am just not sure that he would whcih was the case with Williams last year.

I just hope that Petrie works out everyone that is considered to go top 15 (other than the obvious top 2) and that way if there is a slider, he doesn't have to second guess himself. He should just go with the best available.

As for Brewer, do you think he can put on enough weight to be a Tyshan Prince type SF?

 

[Bricklayer]

As for Brewer, do you think he can put on enough weight to be a Tyshan Prince type SF?

No idea. Well actually some idea just based on size -- he is considerably smaller than Tayshaun. Not only 2 inches shorter, but not as long, and with a more..."petite" build. He really is built like a guard. Tayshaun is a freak -- the skeleton man at 6'10" with those wide bony shoulders and whatnot. He looks like a PF who went on hunger strike for a year. Brewer on the other hand just looks like a tall OG. No power, or broad shoulders, or anything like that. Moves like a guard. So I don't think Tayshaun is a good comparison, because Tayshaun is a long 3, bordering on a 4 -- the Pistons amazingly have not gotten the smallball memo on their way to their 5 straight ECFs, but if they did I would think Prince would be more likely to swing to the 4 than the 2. Brewer on the other hand in the NBA might actually be a fit as a natural 2. Certainly never a 4. So might be apples and oranges.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

He looks like a PF who went on hunger strike for a year.

hehe