Yahoo: Sacramento losing its Kings? (Yahoo! Sports)
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Circa_1985_Fan
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Well...I guess this might be the imparitive 'writing on the wall' so to speak. I'll still be posting on this board, but I will no longer be a Kings fan if they leave the city of Sacramento.
I'd hate to see them move from Sacramento. I was born and raised there. It will be a sad day. I live in the northwest now and if anything can come out of it good for me, would be a move to Seattle. Seattle Kings have a nice ring to it. If they moved back to Kansas City or Anaheim as originally rumored, i will find a new team to cheer on. Had to get this off my chest...
Circa_1985_Fan
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I won't watch the NBA for a great while once the Kings leave. I am a Sacramentan, born and raised, and a Kings fan because of it since day one in 85'. I will be numb when they leave, but will just turn more of my attention to the NHL. Sad...just sad.
Circa_1985_Fan
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When/if the Kings leave Sacramento, this city will have the dubious distinction of being the largest metro area without a pro sports team...pathetic...
Circa_1985_Fan
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I'd still post on here, just not as a fan of the Kings...and we do have a few members who are on here that aren't Kings fans. Like I said earlier, I'm a raging Kings fan until the day they leave this city that I was born an raised in.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I don't think we should get too far ahead of ourselves here. I understand Kevin's reaction to the news from the NCAA. I think he was trying to use that news as a good thing to get people to move off dead center. However I can see where people would take it in a negative fashion. I was disappointed in some of the people that called in or e-mailed in on Mike and Grants show. They apparently go through life with no flexability in their ideology. They look at this arena concept and see only the Kings and the Maloof's. They don't seem to realize that the Kings only utilize the arena for 41 regualar season games out of 365 days.
Sacramento is staring the future in the face. They can step into it, or as some would apparently like, they can go back to the horse and buggy. Sacramento has an opportunity to remain relevant in a nation of cities, or simply fade back to a nice pleasant little spot to pick up a hamburger on the way to Tahoe. I certainly hope that people with vision will step up and lead the city into the future. If not, it will be one of the saddest days in the history of the city. But hey, we always have the River Cats to fall back on.
Sacramento is staring the future in the face. They can step into it, or as some would apparently like, they can go back to the horse and buggy. Sacramento has an opportunity to remain relevant in a nation of cities, or simply fade back to a nice pleasant little spot to pick up a hamburger on the way to Tahoe. I certainly hope that people with vision will step up and lead the city into the future. If not, it will be one of the saddest days in the history of the city. But hey, we always have the River Cats to fall back on.
kennadog
Dog On It!
Sacramento's an embarassment for a city. It'll be a minor miracle if, after decades of trying, they manage to redevelop the railyards into something worthy. Arco was a really cheap arena, built 100% with private money.
Only Mayor Serna stepped up to get a loan for the prior Kings ownership group, when the Kings were hemorrhaging red ink and going bankrupt.
It is unfortunate that most people can't get past the Maloofs and the Kings. I won't stop hoping until a move by the Kings is fact, but my thinking mind tells me that Sacramento is not going to get an arena in time to save the Kings. They've said March 2010 is a critical date. Pretty much its as Moag said. If no developer is on board by then the Cal Expo arena deal is dead after three years of trying. I doubt the city/county can come up with a viable alternative by that time either.
March is when the Kings ownership can file with the NBA to move.
Only Mayor Serna stepped up to get a loan for the prior Kings ownership group, when the Kings were hemorrhaging red ink and going bankrupt.
It is unfortunate that most people can't get past the Maloofs and the Kings. I won't stop hoping until a move by the Kings is fact, but my thinking mind tells me that Sacramento is not going to get an arena in time to save the Kings. They've said March 2010 is a critical date. Pretty much its as Moag said. If no developer is on board by then the Cal Expo arena deal is dead after three years of trying. I doubt the city/county can come up with a viable alternative by that time either.
March is when the Kings ownership can file with the NBA to move.
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I don't think losing the NCAA is as big of a deal re: the Kings as its made out to be, Arco got regional games pretty regularly. Portland had a set this year for the first time in over a decade. There's a lot of competition for those games and big cities get shut out all the time. I don't think the NCAA will be back until the arena issue is resolved but that doesn't mean some of the locations that will host instead are better suited to a pro team moving in.
Circa_1985_Fan
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Hey, after all...Sacramento is the 'Home of hanging your hats on Minor League Championships'. No joke...
Edit: I digress...*sigh*
stevetaebo
Bench
Yep its hard to hear all those myopic callers/e-mailers/Sacbee commenters saying the Kings are just a greedy corporations. Sometimes in hard times, you have to spend money in order to make money. What they fail to see is that these investments will generate huge tax revenue directly and indirectly in the next 10-20 years.
Circa_1985_Fan
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Yeah...it would really say alot for the city, its council, mayor and previous mayor when the Kings leave. Pathetic, there's no other word I'd use to describe it.
MINOR LEAGUE? It was the only true world football league ever.
Dave Archer for president.
kennadog
Dog On It!
Try about 10 years.
I don't know how long Sacramentans are going to fool themselves that Arco is "okay." Its in sad condition and isn't worth renovating and doesn't have the foundation to support renovation into a functional arena for much of anything.
Its not just the NCAA. As reported in the Bee awhile back, there are major entertaiment options that won't come to Sacramento anymore, because of Arco's functional issues. Non-functional = economic obsolescence. The city's own consultant reports confirmed that long ago.
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bajaden
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I don't think that was the point. I think the point is that whoever it is that hosts the NCAA's will have a better facility. Not that a pro team is moving there. It speaks to the pathetic nature of the small minded people that are running the city. If you bring up a new arena, they bring up schools and starving people. Its apples and oranges. If we never build a new arena, my bet is that they'll still complain about school funding and starving people.
Building the arena will create short term work for a lot of people. Once the arena is completed it will create jobs for people. Those people pay taxes and create public revenue. As will taxes levied on every thing connected to the arena. All that plubic revenue goes into the general fund for doing all the things they complain about. The arena could be a win/win for everyone, but the powers that be, need to be able sell this idea to the general plubic in a way that it doesn't appear to be nothing but a handout to the Maloof's.
The last time I checked we still live in a Capitalistic society and not a socialistic one, although at times I have my doubts. The Maloof's can't continue to loose money and just be nice guys and stay despite it. They're not a charity organization, they need to make money. For some reason thats a horrible concept to some people. This deal appears to be good for Cal Expo and the Kings, and the city of sacramento. Perhaps more long term than short term financially, but a good deal none the less. It will be a shame if it fails.
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I don't think that was the point. I think the point is that whoever it is that hosts the NCAA's will have a better facility. Not that a pro team is moving there. It speaks to the pathetic nature of the small minded people that are running the city. If you bring up a new arena, they bring up schools and starving people. Its apples and oranges. If we never build a new arena, my bet is that they'll still complain about school funding and starving people.
Building the arena will create short term work for a lot of people. Once the arena is completed it will create jobs for people. Those people pay taxes and create public revenue. As will taxes levied on every thing connected to the arena. All that plubic revenue goes into the general fund for doing all the things they complain about. The arena could be a win/win for everyone, but the powers that be, need to be able sell this idea to the general plubic in a way that it doesn't appear to be nothing but a handout to the Maloof's.
The last time I checked we still live in a Capitalistic society and not a socialistic one, although at times I have my doubts. The Maloof's can't continue to loose money and just be nice guys and stay despite it. They're not a charity organization, they need to make money. For some reason thats a horrible concept to some people. This deal appears to be good for Cal Expo and the Kings, and the city of sacramento. Perhaps more long term than short term financially, but a good deal none the less. It will be a shame if it fails.
Circa_1985_Fan
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Yeah...how could I forget...there was a whole 500 people who turned out for their 'Championship' parade up Capitol Mall. LOL I love this city, but hate it at the same time...but it's my home, and it is what it is: dysfunctional, in alot of ways.
That wasn't really my point either though, just that the NCAA is a totally different deal than the Kings. The Kings are here and they have moving costs, which at somepoint will no longer be outweighed by the cost of staying here. The NCAA (as well as concert tours and other entertainment options) is not locked into Sacramento or any other city and re-evaluates year to year.
The NCAA not coming to Arco is symptomatic of other events making the same decision. THAT'S the point. It's not just about the Kings - which is what people have been trying to say for a very long time.
The Sacramento Bee is, in good part, to blame for a lot of the misunderstanding. They made a crusade to tie this all to the "billionaire Maloofs" as though Arco was just a toy for them to use for amusement.
It's about much, much more than basketball ... if people don't wake up soon and realize just how important this is, it may end up like the Alhambra Theatre.
The Sacramento Bee is, in good part, to blame for a lot of the misunderstanding. They made a crusade to tie this all to the "billionaire Maloofs" as though Arco was just a toy for them to use for amusement.
It's about much, much more than basketball ... if people don't wake up soon and realize just how important this is, it may end up like the Alhambra Theatre.
Circa_1985_Fan
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You're preaching to the choir my friend. To most NIMBY's in Sacramento it's the greedy Maloof brothers being greedier...'Use the money for schools!!'...'What about the arts?!?!'...'They need to build their arena themselves!!'...'What's wrong with Arco Arena, it's fine!'. Dysfunctional broken record is what THAT is.
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Well there does need to be more money for schools. It really shouldn't be either/or. The problem is that the sensible choices for obtaining the funding are off the table for each project for varying political reasons.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
If Sacramento looses the Kings, I will never watch the NBA ever again. Not only with it break my heart, but the City of Sacramento will turn into an even bigger dump than it already is. The city needs to get its sh*t together and realize how crushing it will be for the people the Kings leave. F*ck, theres teams around the league that can't pay to get fans in the seats! We love our team! This is a basketball town! GIVE US A GOD DAMN ARENA ALREADY!!!!
If Sacramento looses the Kings, I will never watch the NBA ever again. Not only with it break my heart, but the City of Sacramento will turn into an even bigger dump than it already is. The city needs to get its sh*t together and realize how crushing it will be for the people the Kings leave. F*ck, theres teams around the league that can't pay to get fans in the seats! We love our team! This is a basketball town! GIVE US A GOD DAMN ARENA ALREADY!!!!
MassachusettsKingsFan
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From an outsiders POV ( never been to Sac or Cali for that matter ) Why cant the kings move into an arena that already exists. Whats stopping them from moving into the arena in Anaheim for the time being until the economy gets better and arena can be built ( I know some here hate that idea, but what if its that or nothing ). There is NO way a new arena can be built with the economy how it is right now unless its privately funded .. its just not going to happen.
Also - do the kings have to file a movement claim if there moving within the same state?
Ive obviously never been to Arco, but is must be falling apart if it literally cannot hold events anymore .. something has to happen soon and I rather see the Kings stay in California than move anywhere else.
Also - do the kings have to file a movement claim if there moving within the same state?
Ive obviously never been to Arco, but is must be falling apart if it literally cannot hold events anymore .. something has to happen soon and I rather see the Kings stay in California than move anywhere else.
G_M
Starter
Mayor Kevin Johnson was on 1380am for about twenty minutes today. He said that he is pushing to make this happen. I feel good that he is involved in the process. He said that he has several alternate plans in mind should the Cal Expo plan not come to fruition. He also said that he felt that it made sense to have an arena downtown an did not rule out another run at the Railyard site....
Also discussed was the fiscal realities of the current economy and the anti tax atmosphere in Sacramento.
Also discussed was the fiscal realities of the current economy and the anti tax atmosphere in Sacramento.
Löwenherz
Starter
I'm assuming this suggestion is based on two things: the example of the Hornets temporarily moving to OKC after Katrina and that a temporary move to Anaheim would still keep the Kings in California.
Problem is unlike the Hornets example, the "temp move" wouldn't be because of a natural disaster, but because Sacramento just couldn't get its crap together to find the funding, which kinda takes away the "helping out a neighbor until you're back on your feet" move.
And, I think more importantly, you may be forgetting just how big and regionally distinct California is. What you are suggesting is less like the Red Sox temporarily leaving Boston for New Bedford, and more like them leaving Boston for Atlanta.
A temporary move could work if it was to Stockton or something. But not the Bay and certainly not SoCal.
Chupacabra
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It would be a shame if the Kings have to leave sacramento. If they stay in california then i wont be too upset. I wouldnt mind seeing them move to anaheim. Im not sure if id remain a kings fan if they moved out of state. I almost definitely wouldnt remain a fan if they moved out of state AND changed their name.
kennadog
Dog On It!
The Kings have to get the approval of the other owners to move their team anywhere. A temporary move makes no sense, if you're an owner who has tried every which way, in good and bad economic times, to get a new arena built.
Sacramento's fan base is lousy right now, on top of everything else. We were dead last in attendance last year and the crowds that did show up were often pathetically inert, when they didn't boo.
If people are waiting for the team to be a playoff team again, before they'll bother to show up, the ownership is likely to look for a market hungry for a pro team. They can't take on debt to build a new arena if they won't get the revenue to make the payments.
It bugs me that the city has promised $1 billion in grant (read gift) funds to the railyard development, but can't even come up with a loan for the arena.
Sacramento's fan base is lousy right now, on top of everything else. We were dead last in attendance last year and the crowds that did show up were often pathetically inert, when they didn't boo.
If people are waiting for the team to be a playoff team again, before they'll bother to show up, the ownership is likely to look for a market hungry for a pro team. They can't take on debt to build a new arena if they won't get the revenue to make the payments.
It bugs me that the city has promised $1 billion in grant (read gift) funds to the railyard development, but can't even come up with a loan for the arena.
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