King Baller
All-Star
Jazz would pass on the trade. Their rebuild is much closer to blooming. MLM is 3 years away (maybe) from where Gordon is now.
KB
KB
We have only just drafted him. His NBA career is zero minutes old. He was predicted to be the number two pick by many prior to the draft and we got him at seven. He has weaknesses- only one year at 2 guard and only one year of college- but he also has strengths and we have time to develop him. It is not like we have only one or two more seasons to compete for a championship.
As others have stated- this thread is ridiculous.
Question- would this thread exist if Tyreke was resigned? Are we being additionally critical of Ben because he is not Tyreke? As far as I can see- there is more negativity towards Ben than there is optimism- is it because your hearts are broke?
As others have stated- this thread is ridiculous.
Question- would this thread exist if Tyreke was resigned? Are we being additionally critical of Ben because he is not Tyreke? As far as I can see- there is more negativity towards Ben than there is optimism- is it because your hearts are broke?
Kingsfan23
All-Star
If you suggested this trade on a Jazz forum the response wouldn't be enthusiastic, that is for sure. As Brick said, Gordon is a good all around player that projects to improve how he has the last couple of years, and Ben may, although unlikely, just be a bust. With that said, I, like most Kings fans like to think big and so in my hometown view of things I'd like to believe Ben can reach a ceiling higher than gordons, so I may or may not hold off on that trade.
Chupacabra
Starter
This trade seems to be based on expectations. Many expect Mclemore to be all star caliber. Any 20 year old that can square up and shoot a deep 3pt shot with McLemore's level of accuracy and elevation AND finish at the rim the way McLemore does is worth holding on to. We would be doing ourself a disservice by making a safe play and trading him for a solid veteran like Hayward.
What does Hayward do that McLemore probably wont be able to do? What does Mclemore do that Gordon cant do?
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Dreadnought
Bench
This forum is all about overvaluing players while undervaluing others. Did you ever notice how some players that leave here end up becoming incredibly valuable to their teams while they were pretty much crucified for their poor play here? JJ Hickson immediately comes to mind.
Leave the basketball to the professionals. I thoroughly do not believe we are a win-now team like someone posted above. Why you think a team lead on the back of a 22 year old DMC who has the personality of a 15 year old girl is beyond me. This team needs time, and the owners bought it. I'd rather take a gamble with Ben than trade him for a decent player. You'll never get to the top unless you eventually hit gold on a risk, even if that means pee poor basketball for another few years.
RELAX.
Leave the basketball to the professionals. I thoroughly do not believe we are a win-now team like someone posted above. Why you think a team lead on the back of a 22 year old DMC who has the personality of a 15 year old girl is beyond me. This team needs time, and the owners bought it. I'd rather take a gamble with Ben than trade him for a decent player. You'll never get to the top unless you eventually hit gold on a risk, even if that means pee poor basketball for another few years.
RELAX.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
On the former, dribble the ball without bouncing it off his own feet.
On the latter...I don't know. Which is why this would be far from a silly inquiry, let alone with the addition of Afflalo or whatever the initial proposal was.
Hayward is a top shooter (.415 form 3pt land last year, 40% career), he can handle the rock well enough to create, he can finish over the rim, he competes on defense. He's pretty much a complete player. Just not a special one. Oh, and he's an old man I guess at the age of 23.
roasthawg
Starter
Good post... I agree with all of this.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Why do we always want to trade for another teams players, instead of developing our own? Where did Oklahoma get Durant? The draft! How about Ibaka and Westbrook? The draft! Tell me, what happens if we trade McLemore for Hayward, and Hayward turns out to be exactly what we thought he would be, a solid 15 pt a night SF, and McLemore turns out to be a superstar. Everyone in Dallas wanted to trade Dirk Nowitzki after his first year there. How would they feel now if that had happened? Yes, we need a long term SF, and if it happens to be Andrew Wiggins, which it won't, but just saying, then were instant contenders. But is Gordon Hayward going to put us over the top? I think not! He'd be a nice piece of the puzzle. The Kings obviously believe that McLemore has the ability to be more than that.
I understand that a lot of people are out of patience, but that's not the fault of the new regime. To them, this is year one, and rightly so! They just paid a lot of money for this team, they have a plan, and, for the moment at least, McLemore is part of it. I'm not saying that you have to totally build through the draft, but that its an important part of the process, and with the new CBA, its going to become even more important. If you draft wisely, you get to lock up a good player for 4 years at a very reasonable price. How much more bang for the buck could you get than what you get out of I. Thomas. Now it the Heat want to offer Lebron, I'll consider it!
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Well, this is the first time I've considered trading one of our own. (again, I recognize the sausage of this thread). Yes, Vivek has time, but even they have acknowledged that they want to change things sooner rather than later. If we have an asset that can further us towards that goal, I don't see the harm in moving it. If McLemore shows flashes sooner rather than later, then all of a sudden we have another movable piece in Thornton.
My thinking is that Cousins is our piece-if we need to build a winner quickly, McLemore is the expendable piece that gets us to the next level. It's not so much that I don't have patience, but I'm looking at it as a pragmatist. Does Hayward fill a need? Sure. Does he have promise? I think so, but I still see him as a #3 option, like I see McLemore right now, unless things drastically change. We would still need Tonto to our Lone Ranger, but it wouldn't be in a position where we are in an absolute deficit.
My thinking is that Cousins is our piece-if we need to build a winner quickly, McLemore is the expendable piece that gets us to the next level. It's not so much that I don't have patience, but I'm looking at it as a pragmatist. Does Hayward fill a need? Sure. Does he have promise? I think so, but I still see him as a #3 option, like I see McLemore right now, unless things drastically change. We would still need Tonto to our Lone Ranger, but it wouldn't be in a position where we are in an absolute deficit.
roasthawg
Starter
This. Seems like the only guys the majority of our fanbase has patience with are players that excel right outta the gate. That is not the case for the majority of nba all stars... most struggle for a few years and gradually come into their own. I'm looking forward to watching MLM grow... in a few years I think we might have a really good player as a reward for our patience.
