Would you rather have Favors or Cousins?

I think it is hard to determine who is more likely to reach their potential. From what you read, it sounds like Favors is a hard worker while Cousins might be a bit lazy (overblown IMO). However, Cousins seems to be the more skilled of the two at this point which shows that he works on his game. I think that both players are likely to acheive much of their potential (call me optimistic).
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I couldn't agree with you more on Cousins. I don't know where this "lazy" rep came from. One of my friends quoted that to me and I challenged him to find a reference and he found one article (I think ESPN) that mentioned it. However, Cousins is actually skilled and improved him game a lot last season, hardly a sign of laziness. Furthermore, his attitude problems all seemed to come from being too fiery. Arguing with the coach, elbowing opposing players, etc. I could be completely wrong here, but Cousins doesn't seem to have the Derrick Coleman passive attitude gene.
 
Cousins has an attitude and temperement that I want in a center. I just hope he learns to control it, and I have no reason to believe he won't. Even if some of the stories are true, he wouldn't be the first 19 yr old with a little bit of an attitude problem. And, things tend to get somewhat blown out of proportion leading up to the draft.

If this was the 80's he would fit right in. Maybe he's coming into the nba a couple generations too late. But a lot of the great big men throughout nba history have had somewhat of an attitude, a don't mess with me vibe that was apparent as soon as they stepped on the court. But it was controlled. At some point when we are a top team again, and are in the playoffs, we will want a big man that is the aggressor, physical, pushes people around, gets the ball in the paint and just attacks. Really makes his presence felt on both ends. The guys who fit the description generally have a little bit of an attitude, and temper, but it's controlled. I haven't read anywhere Cousins is a bad teammate, or doesn't getting along with the guys. In fact, I've read teh exact opposite, and that he kind of goofy off the court. So maybe he has an attitude problem, I don't think any of us really know, but I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe he can't and won't learn to control it.
 
He had the reputation as a guy with a temper so teams went at him and tried to get in his head and failed. What we saw was the result of him being the attention of teams trying to get his goat and I think it was just fine.
 
On ESPN, good podcast with Simmons and Bilas. Good and fair Cousins breakdown. Jay points out - last guy with the temper/tude on this level was Josh Smith. Different player on the court. But between the ears and talent, I think that's about right. Good listen.
 
On ESPN, good podcast with Simmons and Bilas. Good and fair Cousins breakdown. Jay points out - last guy with the temper/tude on this level was Josh Smith. Different player on the court. But between the ears and talent, I think that's about right. Good listen.

I haven't listened to it yet, but without hearing it, I'd say thats about right.
 
Well, this was pretty much a moot argument, hopefully 1 of the 2 will drop. Doubt Favors will drop past NJ, but maybe Minny takes Wesley Johnson...
 
Well, this was pretty much a moot argument, hopefully 1 of the 2 will drop. Doubt Favors will drop past NJ, but maybe Minny takes Wesley Johnson...

Considering Minny already has two power forwards, I'd have further proof that Kahn is insane if they did take Favors.
 
We're getting Cousins! Thats what I trully believe.

No way Minn takes him with Big Al and Love. On top of that, that don't have a sf who could put the ball in the bucket if his life depended on it. Also, after Rubio staying overseas, you think Kahn would risk taking a headcase like Cousins, knowing it could give them more bad publicity from the start.
 
We're getting Cousins! That's what I truly believe.

No way Minn takes him with Big Al and Love. On top of that, that don't have a sf who could put the ball in the bucket if his life depended on it. Also, after Rubio staying overseas, you think Kahn would risk taking a headcase like Cousins, knowing it could give them more bad publicity from the start.
That would be the best possible scenario for the Kings. He'd bring toughness, attitude, low post scoring, and defense to further the development of this young team towards perennial contention.
 
We're getting Cousins! Thats what I trully believe.

No way Minn takes him with Big Al and Love. On top of that, that don't have a sf who could put the ball in the bucket if his life depended on it. Also, after Rubio staying overseas, you think Kahn would risk taking a headcase like Cousins, knowing it could give them more bad publicity from the start.

How does Cousins give them bad publicity? It's not like he killed someone or something. He just has a rep for having a bad attitude, which most media outlets probably won't even espouse.

Just because it would create a log jam, it doesn't mean they couldn't take Cousins and trade either him or Jefferson. It would be incredibly stupid for them to pass up on Cousins' much higher value than anyone else on the board.
 
How does Cousins give them bad publicity? It's not like he killed someone or something. He just has a rep for having a bad attitude, which most media outlets probably won't even espouse.

Just because it would create a log jam, it doesn't mean they couldn't take Cousins and trade either him or Jefferson. It would be incredibly stupid for them to pass up on Cousins' much higher value than anyone else on the board.
I think it's a risk given what happened with Rubio.It was a media disaster if you followed the Minn newspapers after the draft. I am not worried about Cousins attitude, or the rumors about it. I've wanted him from the start. But given some of the rumors, anyone would admit it's a little bit of a risk. At #5, we would be lucky. At #2 or #3, he's more of a risk. I don't think Kahn would risk making another mistake. I consider Rubio a mistake. If Cousins happened to not want to go to Minn, or if he did in fact end up having an attitude, than kahn could have screwed up 2 consecutive drafts. Thats my point.

Could they take him? of course. But I would say it's more likely they pass. You may disagree. I disagree in thinking Johnson is far behind the top 4 talent wise. i said a long time ago Johnson could be picked in the first 4 depending on the draft order. Minn needs a sf. Here it is. They could either draft Cousins, play him and Big Al together, which would be a disaster IMO, plus they should have Darko, or they try to trade one of them. Trying to dump a player when other teams know you need to get rid of that player is not a good equation. Teams don't offer as much. Or they could plug Johnson right into the starting lineup. They don't have a shooter. If Rubio comes over in a year, then he has a sf to kick the ball to, and help spread the floor. They don't have a halfway decent sf right now.

You might think I'm crazy, but I was Kahn, I would take Johnson. That isn't because I personally want Cousins in a KIngs uniform. I honestly think given what their choices should be, Johnson would be the best fit.
 
I think it's a risk given what happened with Rubio.It was a media disaster if you followed the Minn newspapers after the draft. I am not worried about Cousins attitude, or the rumors about it. I've wanted him from the start. But given some of the rumors, anyone would admit it's a little bit of a risk. At #5, we would be lucky. At #2 or #3, he's more of a risk. I don't think Kahn would risk making another mistake. I consider Rubio a mistake. If Cousins happened to not want to go to Minn, or if he did in fact end up having an attitude, than kahn could have screwed up 2 consecutive drafts. Thats my point.

Could they take him? of course. But I would say it's more likely they pass. You may disagree. I disagree in thinking Johnson is far behind the top 4 talent wise. i said a long time ago Johnson could be picked in the first 4 depending on the draft order. Minn needs a sf. Here it is. They could either draft Cousins, play him and Big Al together, which would be a disaster IMO, plus they should have Darko, or they try to trade one of them. Trying to dump a player when other teams know you need to get rid of that player is not a good equation. Teams don't offer as much. Or they could plug Johnson right into the starting lineup. They don't have a shooter. If Rubio comes over in a year, then he has a sf to kick the ball to, and help spread the floor. They don't have a halfway decent sf right now.

You might think I'm crazy, but I was Kahn, I would take Johnson. That isn't because I personally want Cousins in a KIngs uniform. I honestly think given what their choices should be, Johnson would be the best fit.

I vehemently disagree with you that Cousins value isn't significantly higher than Johnson at this point. I also disagree that Rubio was a mistake. He may be seen as a mistake by some, but he certainly was not the mistake. He was by far (at the time) the best talent available at that pick, and they had a pick following it right after. So if they didn't have two picks in a row, then maybe I buy that he might be a mistake, but I think the real mistake was taking Flynn instead of Curry. Rubio is very talented and just because you have to wait two years for a player, that does not make that pick a mistake, unless you think the Spurs picking David Robinson was a mistake. It's not like they were absolutely shocked that Rubio stayed overseas, everyone knew that was a risk with him.

There is absolutely no reason they don't take Cousins just because they think he might be too risky, or he causes a log jam. His trade value is going to be worth quite a bit more than Johnson IMO. I think if they decide to trade Cousins, they can get a wing they want plus extra.

Brewer is a decent wing, he's not great or anything, but he's certainly decent.
 
Can we stop with the "Griffin or Rubio?" and "Cousins or Favors?" type threads now?

And that is the reason those threads are all so stupid/pointless before the lottery draft is held.

/end rant

But apparently they keep the masses entertained, so what the heck. ;)
 
And that is the reason those threads are all so stupid/pointless before the lottery draft is held.

/end rant

But apparently they keep the masses entertained, so what the heck. ;)

If we didn't do it before the lottery it never would have happened and we wouldn't have had a very interesting discussion.
 
If we didn't do it before the lottery it never would have happened and we wouldn't have had a very interesting discussion.

I'd rather do without the interesting discussion than to work ourselves up into thinking we're actually gonna have our pick of which player to choose and then be told otherwise
 
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