SacTownKid
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I think people like the idea of Bogdan more than the actual Bogdan we got. Lol
And yes, Bogdan was likely a better player than we saw in Sac. But with the coaching staffs he had who isn't? lol.
I think people like the idea of Bogdan more than the actual Bogdan we got. Lol
I think people like the idea of Bogdan more than the actual Bogdan we got. Lol
There was a lot of excuses flying around about his international play and how it made him tired and therefore lowered his effectiveness.
At some point what you see is what you get.
So Buddy liked these tweets....
I absolutely 100% agree. But once he goes back to national team duty, it will be the same thing. Incidentally, imagine we kept him and can't trade him for a year and he gets a career altering injury on NT duty? I hope that doesn't happen, but the guy is devoted to his country and you have to factor that into his value.I do think he might look better to start this season just by the sheer fact that the coronavirus forced him to sit back and take it easy over the summer for once.
Buddy likes a tweet saying that Buddy isn't a good trade asset. At this point, it's entirely possible that Buddy simply has a bot going through Twitter liking every tweet that has his name in it.
This was the likely move over the last couple of days.
I would have liked to get something for Bogi but I can understand the risk of matching and then having a minutes crunch and devaluing both Bogi and Buddy while taking away minutes for Tyrese. So I am fine with the decision and trust McNair. None of the potential outcomes were without downsides.
I wish Bogi all the best, and hope Buddy has a resurgence so we can get something back for him at the deadline. Hopefully Marvin can stay healthy, we hit on next year's draft and have some hope going forward.
Bottom line: the KINGS rebuild just got longer, not shorter.
The “Financial flexibility’ excuse is just that. An excuse. Financial flexibility has done NOTHING for this franchise. Ever.
Just a few Summer’s ago, the KINGS were top 3 in money under the cap. How’d that work out?
When Petrie built the ONLY winner this city has ever seen, he didn’t do it with top 3 picks gathered by tanking. And he didn’t do it allowing a coveted all-around player that fit the style being played at the time walk away for no return.
And don’t tell me about Brian Grant. Grant‘s skillset didn’t fit a myriad of teams as Bogdanovic’s does today. A player that can handle, pass and shoot.
I'm no social media genius, and I get the whole professional image thing, but you could always "like" tweets that give you a chuckle, or mention you etc. I mean, I would like those tweets for those reasons. If being a consummate professional just means a guy like Harrison Barnes who is happy sitting on big paychecks, being pretty passive AND inconsistent/not very valuable then I'll pass. The day Buddy stops working hard or yells at/threatens reporters or is actually a bad locker room presence is the day I'm more concerned - not when he likes a bunch of social media posts.
Be fair.
From someone that clearly championed for #77, nobody knew the above at the time the decision was made.
#77 would have been drafted #1 had everyone had the gift of hindsight.
Apparently not to some people herethis should be common sense
Bogi and Haliburton are redundant today, and Haliburton will be better tomorrow. Buddy has an all time great talent with his shooting.
Next question - what if by some miracle this team actually plays exceedingly well this year? Like Bagley turns into early years AD, Fox takes a big step, Buddy gets back to his 2019 season performance. Do we still trade Buddy/Barnes etc.?
Oh wait, forgot Walton was still the coach. Nevermind.
I'm struggling with the notion that this was a nailed on correct or incorrect decision. To me the front office could've gone either direction with options for ways forward. I know we have passionate fans and strong views on this board, but those who are celebrating like this is a huge win and those forecasting doom and gloom are confusing me.
My thoughts; I think this was ultimately the right move. I say that very reluctantly as I enjoyed watching Bogi play, so will certainly mourn the loss for a bit. I certainly prefer his style of play to Buddy's, I will say that. I, like seemingly most others on this board, have come to the conclusion that we need more talent from the draft, so I'm reassured that's the direction we're tryi
I might take a break from the board for a few days now. The sarcastic comments and hand ringing over a player I liked and am sad to see go, have left a bit of a sour taste in the mouth.
My wife and I very rarely argue or fight. On the rare occasion that we do it's likely over some trivial thing that we later realize was just the final trigger to vent a number of frustrations that had been built up.
That's essentially how I see a lot of fan reactions to letting Bogdanovic walk.
I said I'd prefer to keep Bogi and deal Hield because Bogdan is the slightly better player, would likely be a bit cheaper, and seemed to want to be in Sacramento vs Buddy who seems constantly aggrieved the last two years. But most of all, it would mean not losing an asset for nothing.
But the reality (based on no viable deal for Buddy popping up and the underwhelming and ultimately failed sign & trade with the Bucks for Bogi) that neither of them has much value around the league.
Would the Kings fans that are upset now really be much happier had McNair managed to land DiVincenzo and filler? Or a 2nd round pick and a trade exception? I can't speak for everyone so I don't know.
But what I suspect is that this just feels like another failure to produce a positive result that gets thrown on a heap that's been growing for 14 years or so.
The new Kings FO decided not to match on an average to somewhat above average 28 year-old shooting guard so they could trade him later because he isn't part of the long term plans. And they very likely did that largely because they already have an average to somewhat above average 28 year-old shooting that they want to trade because he isn't part of the long term plans.
In the grand scheme of things this doesn't move the needle for this franchise. What HAS moved the needle,and kept this small market team terrible, has been having 12 straight years of lottery picks (only broken by Vlade having traded away last year's 1st rounder) with nothing really to show for it. A roster that lacks potential or tradeable assets beyond Fox.
2007 #2 Kevin Durant
2008 #4 Russell Westbrook, #24 Serge Ibaka
2009 #3 James Harden
Sam Presti essentially changed the Sonic's/Thunder's trajectory forever with three drafts. He also is the only executive in history (I believe) to nab three future MVPs in consecutive years.
Their moves since 2012 have been questionable but they've been able to go to the WCF, trade for a 2nd star in Paul George after losing KD for nothing and then ultimately blow it up and stockpile 17 1st round picks through 2026 (all while still having a better record than the Kings) because they built that initial roster value through the draft.
I mean, yeah, maybe you catch lightning in a bottle as Petrie did on trading an over the hill Richmond for a problem child star in Webber, signing Divac, Pollard, and Barry, and drafting Jason Williams the same year your draft pick from two years back (Peja) decides to join the NBA.
But the most likely path is being a bad team and drafting your stars. The Kings have only had the first part of that formula for way, way too long.
Things will get worse before (hopefully) getting better. But I don't blame anyone who decides to take a break or gets off the train completely. Sports are supposed to be fun and the Kings haven't provided nearly enough of that.
Bogi leaving for nothing is just the latest small example of a team having a pretty bare cupboard and not maximizing even those meager assets well. It's years of frustration spilling over into a very minor roster move.
My wife and I very rarely argue or fight. On the rare occasion that we do it's likely over some trivial thing that we later realize was just the final trigger to vent a number of frustrations that had been built up.
That's essentially how I see a lot of fan reactions to letting Bogdanovic walk.
I said I'd prefer to keep Bogi and deal Hield because Bogdan is the slightly better player, would likely be a bit cheaper, and seemed to want to be in Sacramento vs Buddy who seems constantly aggrieved the last two years. But most of all, it would mean not losing an asset for nothing.
But the reality (based on no viable deal for Buddy popping up and the underwhelming and ultimately failed sign & trade with the Bucks for Bogi) that neither of them has much value around the league.
Would the Kings fans that are upset now really be much happier had McNair managed to land DiVincenzo and filler? Or a 2nd round pick and a trade exception? I can't speak for everyone so I don't know.
But what I suspect is that this just feels like another failure to produce a positive result that gets thrown on a heap that's been growing for 14 years or so.
The new Kings FO decided not to match on an average to somewhat above average 28 year-old shooting guard who they would certainly trade later because he isn't part of the long term plans. And they very likely did that largely because they already have an average to somewhat above average 28 year-old shooting that they want to trade because he isn't part of the long term plans.
In the grand scheme of things this doesn't move the needle for this franchise. What HAS moved the needle,and kept this small market team terrible, has been having 12 straight years of lottery picks (only broken by Vlade having traded away last year's 1st rounder) with nothing really to show for it. A roster that lacks potential or tradeable assets beyond Fox.
2007 #2 Kevin Durant
2008 #4 Russell Westbrook, #24 Serge Ibaka
2009 #3 James Harden
Sam Presti essentially changed the Sonic's/Thunder's trajectory forever with three drafts. He also is the only executive in history (I believe) to nab three future MVPs in consecutive years.
Their moves since 2012 have been questionable but they've been able to go to the WCF, trade for a 2nd star in Paul George after losing KD for nothing and then ultimately blow it up and stockpile 17 1st round picks through 2026 (all while still having a better record than the Kings) because they built that initial roster value through the draft.
I mean, yeah, maybe you catch lightning in a bottle as Petrie did on trading an over the hill Richmond for a problem child star in Webber, signing Divac, Pollard, and Barry, and drafting Jason Williams the same year your draft pick from two years back (Peja) decides to join the NBA.
But the most likely path is being a bad team and drafting your stars. The Kings have only had the first part of that formula for way, way too long.
Things will get worse before (hopefully) getting better. But I don't blame anyone who decides to take a break or gets off the train completely. Sports are supposed to be fun and the Kings haven't provided nearly enough of that.
Bogi leaving for nothing is just the latest small example of a team having a pretty bare cupboard and not maximizing even those meager assets well. It's years of frustration spilling over into a very minor roster move.
I'm no social media genius, and I get the whole professional image thing, but you could always "like" tweets that give you a chuckle, or mention you etc. I mean, I would like those tweets for those reasons. If being a consummate professional just means a guy like Harrison Barnes who is happy sitting on big paychecks, being pretty passive AND inconsistent/not very valuable then I'll pass. The day Buddy stops working hard or yells at/threatens reporters or is actually a bad locker room presence is the day I'm more concerned - not when he likes a bunch of social media posts.
All time great talent man stop it
And what about this?
Guess he's been pretty lucky then
- NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2018)
- EuroLeague 2010–20 All-Decade Team (2020)
- EuroLeague champion (2017)
- EuroLeague Finals Top Scorer (2017)
- All-EuroLeague First Team (2017)
- 2× EuroLeague Rising Star (2014, 2015)
- 2× Turkish League champion (2016, 2017)
- Turkish Cup winner (2016)
- Turkish President's Cup winner (2016)
- Turkish League Finals MVP (2017)
- Turkish Cup Final MVP (2016)
- 2× Turkish League All-Star (2016, 2017)
- 2× Adriatic League champion (2011, 2013)
- All-Adriatic League Team (2014)
- 2× Serbian Player of the Year (2017, 2019)
- 4× Serbian League champion (2011–2014)
- 2× Serbian Cup winner (2011, 2012)
- Serbian League Playoffs MVP (2014)
- Serbian League Guard of the Year (2014)
- Serbian League Domestic Player of the Year (2014)
Remove poison pills from your vocabulary. It isnt what you think it means. Cbafaq.com question 91.Atlanta would be doing themselves a favor because the contract wouldn’t have included poison pills to thwart a match. The TPE helps you not have to match salaries and can be very valuable in the hands of a competent GM.
But I guess one has to go through such mental gymnastics to still justify being a kings fan. I sincerely wish you all the best even if I don’t expect it.