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Enes Kanter's odd decisions on when and where to work out for teams ahead of the 2011 NBA Draft could hurt his standing, reports Jonathan Givony of DraftExpress. In a comprehensive report on Kanter's prep school performance that includes rare video of the Turkish center in action, Givony reveals that teams have bristled at Kanter's workout schedule.
Again, I think Givony is focusing on things that the front offices are going to focus on less. As far as the workout schedule goes, remember Yi Jianlian? He came from China, nobody knew a thing about him except he had a slick web video put together of him working out against a chair. He refused to work out for the Bucks, his agent told the Bucks not to take him because he wouldn't sign with them, and the Bucks...took him anyway (and he did sign, by the way). At any rate, I'm pretty sure Kanter has worked out for both Cleveland and Utah, so he's got the #3/#4 covered.

As one individual in our front office often says about the draft, don't focus on what a guy can't do, focus on what a guy can do. Despite his break from competitive basketball, we know Kanter is 6'11", strong, can score in the post, can shoot a jumper out to 20+ feet, and can rebound very well. He has questions about his athleticism and his motor, especially on defense (those based on two-year-old tape). Sound like anybody you know? Because you could cut and paste almost that entire description into a write-up of DeMarcus Cousins, who would go #2 in this draft despite the questions about his maturity. My prediction is that Kanter does not fall below #4.
 
Petrie likes seniors, Petrie likes shooters and Kings were last in 3pt percentage. Jimmer will def open the floor for Reke, Thornton and Cuz. I want Jimmer as our pick, I hope he doubys up this workout.
 
Petrie likes seniors, Petrie likes shooters and Kings were last in 3pt percentage. Jimmer will def open the floor for Reke, Thornton and Cuz. I want Jimmer as our pick, I hope he doubys up this workout.
I like fredette as our pick too. I can envision him running the pick and roll with cousins. Reke would benefit from him as well as they can't just clog the lane without paying.
 
Here's a Leonard workout with the Wiz


Can he even jump? I just don't see the Marion/Wallace comparison on this workout. I hope this was done after a really draining drill. Otherwise, I'm getting off the Leonard wagon.

This is a shooting drill designed to test a players stamina in regards to shooting jumpers. I guarantee this is at the end, or close to the end of the workout. He is absolutely drained there.

No possible way you can make a determination off of that video.
 
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Glenn

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Leonard is tired for some reason and I don't know what this shooting drill proves. He's tired and has lost the form on his jumpshot. What's that prove? It almost seems cruel and I'm not even sure it provides useful information to a team. Yes, I am feeling sorry for a guy who will make more money in his first year then most people make in a lifetime.

Anyway this guy is supposed to have a motor and a good attitude. This looks like a guy who either has lost a cylinder or is angry at the team. In any case, it doesn't change my thoughts about the guy. I'm not saying we should pick him. This video clip doesn't prove anything to me. It needs context for me to understand.
 
Leonard is tired for some reason and I don't know what this shooting drill proves.
This is a conditioning drill to help keep the form on your shot. I am not sure why they are using it in an evaluation workout, unless they want to gauge his form when he is beat tired.

But you are correct, without context this two minutes tells us nothing. This could be after a 3 hour tryout.
 
Just throwing this out there - why not Tristan Thompson?

Kings need athletic, frontcourt help. He would compliment Cousins pretty well, imo. Plus, he's an outstanding offensive rebounder and pretty good shot blocker. Seems like he still has room to grow mentally and physically.


 
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kingsboi

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Aren't Tristan Thompson and Ed Davis identical players? Long arms, athletic, 6'8-6'9 ish, shot blocking ability, rebounding. They just scream twins to me.
 

bajaden

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Leonard is tired for some reason and I don't know what this shooting drill proves. He's tired and has lost the form on his jumpshot. What's that prove? It almost seems cruel and I'm not even sure it provides useful information to a team. Yes, I am feeling sorry for a guy who will make more money in his first year then most people make in a lifetime.

Anyway this guy is supposed to have a motor and a good attitude. This looks like a guy who either has lost a cylinder or is angry at the team. In any case, it doesn't change my thoughts about the guy. I'm not saying we should pick him. This video clip doesn't prove anything to me. It needs context for me to understand.
When Bill Walsh first worked out Dwight Clark, before drafting him, he had him run the 40 yard dash. He ran a 4.7 second forty. Not particularly fast for a wide reciever. He had him run the dash, ten times in a row, back to back. His 10th time, he ran it in 4.7 seconds. Which showed that he had great stamina, and is one of the reasons he drafted him. Anything you can learn about a player your about to invest a few million dollars in, is of value.

If he's dead tired at the end of that drill, and you bring in say, Singleton and have him run the same drill, and he's not tired, then you learned one area where you might like Singleton better. Sometimes if your torn between two players, its the little things that might make the decision for you.
 

bajaden

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Aren't Tristan Thompson and Ed Davis identical players? Long arms, athletic, 6'8-6'9 ish, shot blocking ability, rebounding. They just scream twins to me.
Triston is a lot more physical down in the box that Davis. Davis on the other hand is a better offensive player. At least in the present. Thompson is going to be a nice player, and a decent to good defender. But he has a long way to go offensively. For the Kings he would be nothing but a luxury, and I doubt he would get many minutes behind Thompson, Cousins, and Dalembert, if he resigns.

As far as calling players identical because they happen to be 6'9" and have long arms is applying a cookie cutter mentality to players. Players may be identical in the postions they play, but thats where it ends.
 

Glenn

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When Bill Walsh first worked out Dwight Clark, before drafting him, he had him run the 40 yard dash. He ran a 4.7 second forty. Not particularly fast for a wide reciever. He had him run the dash, ten times in a row, back to back. His 10th time, he ran it in 4.7 seconds. Which showed that he had great stamina, and is one of the reasons he drafted him. Anything you can learn about a player your about to invest a few million dollars in, is of value.

If he's dead tired at the end of that drill, and you bring in say, Singleton and have him run the same drill, and he's not tired, then you learned one area where you might like Singleton better. Sometimes if your torn between two players, its the little things that might make the decision for you.
If this drill is crucial to their decision making process, so be it. I still don't know the context nor do you. This is the video that was released and it would be interesting to know what they held back. I think it's a peculiar thing to release. For all I know, this was released to discourage other teams from drafting him because in other facets of his game and athletic ability he looked great and they want him. The impact it had on some posters here was to cross him off their list of potential picks.
 
If this drill is crucial to their decision making process, so be it. I still don't know the context nor do you. This is the video that was released and it would be interesting to know what they held back. I think it's a peculiar thing to release. For all I know, this was released to discourage other teams from drafting him because in other facets of his game and athletic ability he looked great and they want him. The impact it had on some posters here was to cross him off their list of potential picks.
Exactly what I was gonna say.
 

bajaden

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If this drill is crucial to their decision making process, so be it. I still don't know the context nor do you. This is the video that was released and it would be interesting to know what they held back. I think it's a peculiar thing to release. For all I know, this was released to discourage other teams from drafting him because in other facets of his game and athletic ability he looked great and they want him. The impact it had on some posters here was to cross him off their list of potential picks.
Mi amigo, I was simply talking about why they have the drill. Not why someone decided to release this particular video. Far be it for me to figure out the inner workings of some GM's mind, or their PR dept. Nor do I care!
 
I just saw today's workout video. I'm beginning to get on the Jimmer wagon, that kid can shoot the lights out.
I wouldn't be unhappy to see the Kings draft him. The Kings could use some of what he brings almost immediately. The question I would have if you did draft him is how would you go about your other summer moves? Do you still go hard after Thornton and Dally and then address the small forward spot through a trade or yet another free agent signing? Would Thornton feel that drafting Jimmer is something that he would need to weigh a bit more? If the Kings feel Jimmer is their guy, they should and would take him no matter. Because resigning Thornton is not really a given either way.

I know for sure that Jimmer would be a very popular pick with the fans. And while Petrie never cares about that, this time it would definitely be a plus for the Sac fan base. We need to see strong ticket sales and team support in this critical year.
 
Fredette or Biyombo

I agree with others that Fredette would seem like an ideal fit with this Kings team. I actually expect that "The Jimmer" has a lot more point guard in him than some expect. If Petrie selects Fredette, there's a bit of a log jam at guard, however, so he should consider moving Beno. Udrih's value is at an all time high and there are some teams in need of an upgrade at point guard. Portland and New York have pretty old points in Andre Miller and Chauncey Billups, so I would look to them for a potential deal to bring back a small forward prospect, like Nicolas Batum or Landry Fields, to balance the roster. Fields has a better B-ball IQ as he's a "glue guy" who can shoot the 3 and defend, so I'm adding him to the potential depth chart. To balance the Kings' reserves, the Kings could use a stetch 4 with potential a la 24 year old Josh McRoberts.

Thornton/Evans/Fields/Cousins/Dalembert
Fredette/Garcia/Casspi/McRoberts/Thompson
35th pick/60th pick/Greene/Whiteside

I'm also still high on Bismack Biyombo. In a recent interview, Jonathon Givony was asked what players from this draft had all star potential. He answered Kyrie Irving for sure, possibly Biyombo, and no one else. Although his talents are a bit duplicative, I would have a hard time passing on a potential all NBA defensive power forward with all star potential. Ultimately, he and Cousins could form a formidable tandem. In this scenario, the Kings would keep Udrih and find their small forward in free agency. Although he's not an ideal choice, lets say they lure Wilson Chandler, an athletic role player with an improved 3 point stroke and real potential on the defensive end.

Thornton/Evans/Chandler/Cousins/Dalembert
Udrih/Garcia/Casspi/Biyombo/Thompson
35th pick/60th pick/Greene/Whiteside
 
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Glenn

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I wouldn't be unhappy to see the Kings draft him. The Kings could use some of what he brings almost immediately. The question I would have if you did draft him is how would you go about your other summer moves? Do you still go hard after Thornton and Dally and then address the small forward spot through a trade or yet another free agent signing? Would Thornton feel that drafting Jimmer is something that he would need to weigh a bit more? If the Kings feel Jimmer is their guy, they should and would take him no matter. Because resigning Thornton is not really a given either way.

I know for sure that Jimmer would be a very popular pick with the fans. And while Petrie never cares about that, this time it would definitely be a plus for the Sac fan base. We need to see strong ticket sales and team support in this critical year.
I wouldn't let this pick change anything. For one thing, there is no guarantee that Jimmer will do well although I think what we see is what we will get. I think we resign Thornton who also has somewhat similar skills and perhaps is a better all around player. It shouldn't effect what we do with Dally or in signing a free agent.

Jimmer is an addition to a team that should be on the rise. What I mean is that he is an addition and not a replacement for anything. He'll give all kinds of options what with 4 NBA quality guards. With Thornton and he on the court at the same time, a 20 point deficit in the fourth quarter might not seem so daunting. It might even be fun. I think drafting him would put more importance on that free agent or trade be for a defensive minded SF as we really wouldn't need any more offense and I never thought I'd say that about a Kings team. :)
 

bajaden

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I wouldn't be unhappy to see the Kings draft him. The Kings could use some of what he brings almost immediately. The question I would have if you did draft him is how would you go about your other summer moves? Do you still go hard after Thornton and Dally and then address the small forward spot through a trade or yet another free agent signing? Would Thornton feel that drafting Jimmer is something that he would need to weigh a bit more? If the Kings feel Jimmer is their guy, they should and would take him no matter. Because resigning Thornton is not really a given either way.

I know for sure that Jimmer would be a very popular pick with the fans. And while Petrie never cares about that, this time it would definitely be a plus for the Sac fan base. We need to see strong ticket sales and team support in this critical year.
Resigning Thornton is a lot more likely than resigning Dalembert. Thornton is a restricted freeagent, and Dalembert is an unrestricted freeagent. In Thornton's case, he falls under the Gilbert Arenas rule, assuming that the rule will still be in place under the new CBA. The Arenas rule is a little more complicated than the straight restricted freeagent rule, but the bottom line is, the Kings have the final word on where Thronton will play next year if they want to. And I'm sure they do. I doubt drafting Fredette, or Knight will have any effect on Thornton's decision on where he wants to play.
 
Coming out of college who's the better player? steph Curry or Jimmer Fredette? because best case if we draft jimmer and start him along reke were going to have our own version of steph curry along reke.

i also looked at the Draft express Combine and they almost had similar stats. (with steph being taller and can jump higher, but jimmer being stronger and faster by a few ticks) so I don't see why not can he have the same success as steph curry at the point? right?

right now that player fills two of our needs, a point guard and a shooter. this also makes beno movable packaged with another player for a late first rounder or something.

because of all the prospects right now im buying into jimmer and knight.
 
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Probably Curry but it also probably doesn't matter. Assuming Thornton is retained which is highly likely, he's better than Fredette - right now. Jimmer goes to Kings bench if they draft him as backcourt reserve along with Beno. Then the question is, does Udrih get moved in which case Fredette gets lots of minutes his first year or have to wait until after his rookie season when Beno's contract expires. Also, likely say so long to Pooh if Jimmer is selected at #7.
 

bajaden

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Probably Curry but it also probably doesn't matter. Assuming Thornton is retained which is highly likely, he's better than Fredette - right now. Jimmer goes to Kings bench if they draft him as backcourt reserve along with Beno. Then the question is, does Udrih get moved in which case Fredette gets lots of minutes his first year or have to wait until after his rookie season when Beno's contract expires. Also, likely say so long to Pooh if Jimmer is selected at #7.
Yeah, my gut tells me that Pooh is history. I wish him well though, and he proved he can at least play in this league. I agree that Fredette, if drafted, would start the year as a role player coming off the bench. I've always been a believer in throwing all the ingredients into the mix and let the cream rise to the top. If by the half way point of the year he's able to surplant Beno as the first guard off the bench, then the Kings have gotten better. This applies to Knight, Walker, or any guard they would draft.

When you look at Dallas this season, their main strength, other than Dirk, is their depth. They have one of the strongest benches in the league. And when their bench is producing, playing well, they're almost unbeatable. So the last thing I worry about is having a glut at the guard position. Not everyone is going to be on, every night. So its nice to have talented, interchangable parts to plug in. Especially if you have adaptable personalities.
 
I want to like Walker but for some reason I can't! He is a winner, was more of a pg his first 2 years and then last year scored more to win. I just like the idea of Knight for his size and work ethic and Jimmer for his exp and shooting ability. It's a rough one. Kings were last in three point percentage. But with a healthy cisco, more seasoned Casspi just having Thornton on the team for a whole year and if we draft Jimmer doubt we stay last. Plus improved Tyreke jumper!
 
Yeah, my gut tells me that Pooh is history. I wish him well though, and he proved he can at least play in this league. I agree that Fredette, if drafted, would start the year as a role player coming off the bench. I've always been a believer in throwing all the ingredients into the mix and let the cream rise to the top. If by the half way point of the year he's able to surplant Beno as the first guard off the bench, then the Kings have gotten better. This applies to Knight, Walker, or any guard they would draft.

When you look at Dallas this season, their main strength, other than Dirk, is their depth. They have one of the strongest benches in the league. And when their bench is producing, playing well, they're almost unbeatable. So the last thing I worry about is having a glut at the guard position. Not everyone is going to be on, every night. So its nice to have talented, interchangable parts to plug in. Especially if you have adaptable personalities.
great points and reference to dallas. we need that boost off the bench when our starters are struggling. i was hoping omri would fill that role but he's been MIA.
 

bajaden

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I want to like Walker but for some reason I can't! He is a winner, was more of a pg his first 2 years and then last year scored more to win. I just like the idea of Knight for his size and work ethic and Jimmer for his exp and shooting ability. It's a rough one. Kings were last in three point percentage. But with a healthy cisco, more seasoned Casspi just having Thornton on the team for a whole year and if we draft Jimmer doubt we stay last. Plus improved Tyreke jumper!
If were going to be honest, and I have nothing against Cisco, but he's not starting material on a good playoff team. He maximizes all of his abilities, and thats to his credit. But his best role is coming off the bench as a SF. He basicly won the SF position by default. He's a decent spot up shooter, but isn't a good shooter coming off screens, and isn't that good at going to the basket off the dribble. In other words he's limited, and every team in the league knows his limitations.

Casspi had the best 3 pt percentage on the team. And that alone speaks volumes about the teams abiltiy to hit the 3 pt shot. The word inconsistent springs to mind. I doubt too many teams stressed defending the three against us. So we need help in that area, and anyone that doesn't think so is living in La La land. I'm not saying its our top priority, but its certainly a priority. And if whoever we add, can also handle the ball and pass the ball, so much the better.

You mentioned Walker, and I agree with you. I would perfer Fredette over Walker. And the reason is the 3 pt shot. Walker is very erratic from behind the line, and we already have our share of those on the team. The best Walker has ever shot in three years of college is 33.7%. That was as a sophmore. last season he shot 33% and in his freshman year he was around 29%. Yeah, I know shooting the ball is the easiest thing to learn. Tell that to Michael Smith. Sorry, I couldn't resist. If we're drafting someone that can handle, pass and shoot the ball, then draft someone that can already do it, and doesn't have to learn, or improve, his shot. And I'm speaking of just the shooting aspect.
 

Glenn

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Yeah, I know shooting the ball is the easiest thing to learn. Tell that to Michael Smith. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Cruel, very cruel. But the stats on Walker are pertinent. If shooting is the easiest skill to improve on, why hasn't he improved his three point shot? There can be multiple answers but the most obvious is that perhaps he can't. Perhaps he lacks the upper body strength to launch a comfortable long shot.
 

Kingster

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If were going to be honest, and I have nothing against Cisco, but he's not starting material on a good playoff team. He maximizes all of his abilities, and thats to his credit. But his best role is coming off the bench as a SF. He basicly won the SF position by default. He's a decent spot up shooter, but isn't a good shooter coming off screens, and isn't that good at going to the basket off the dribble. In other words he's limited, and every team in the league knows his limitations.

Casspi had the best 3 pt percentage on the team. And that alone speaks volumes about the teams abiltiy to hit the 3 pt shot. The word inconsistent springs to mind. I doubt too many teams stressed defending the three against us. So we need help in that area, and anyone that doesn't think so is living in La La land. I'm not saying its our top priority, but its certainly a priority. And if whoever we add, can also handle the ball and pass the ball, so much the better.

You mentioned Walker, and I agree with you. I would perfer Fredette over Walker. And the reason is the 3 pt shot. Walker is very erratic from behind the line, and we already have our share of those on the team. The best Walker has ever shot in three years of college is 33.7%. That was as a sophmore. last season he shot 33% and in his freshman year he was around 29%. Yeah, I know shooting the ball is the easiest thing to learn. Tell that to Michael Smith. Sorry, I couldn't resist. If we're drafting someone that can handle, pass and shoot the ball, then draft someone that can already do it, and doesn't have to learn, or improve, his shot. And I'm speaking of just the shooting aspect.
Walker is a much more rounded player than Fredette. His shot has improved, and will likely continue to improve. Fredette is going to need to have screens set for him (or be a 3 pt. sitter and have Tyreke or Thornton set him up) to get his shot off. Walker isn't. Walker is the superior penetrator and defender and his quickness and speed is head and shoulders above Fredette. Walker's ball-handling is superior to Fredette's. Of the three guards available - Knight, Walker, and Jimmer, Jimmer is the least compatible with Tyreke in my opinion. He's not going to be making a lot of shot opportunities for Tyreke; instead, he's going to be gunning and taking shots from Tyreke. If he isn't gunning, he's not going to be very valuable. He's not a guard you're going to be playing because of his playmaking, defense, rebounding, or post-ups. He's a guard you play to gun and make shots. The only guard I think he'd be very compatible with offense would be Beno, but then it's disaster time on the defensive end.