With Rudy on board, who do we get for PF?

[twslam07]

I missed on Kyle O'Quinn when I made my list of young PFs to watch. Just completely overlooked him somehow, but he should have made the list as well. I'll have to watch Orlando play more this season. He's definitely a player worth considering.

Yeah, I've enjoyed watching him the few times I have had the chance. He got hurt in the season opener so there hasn't been a good opportunity to see how he's progressed, but I believe he should be back in time to play the Kings on December 6th.

 

[twslam07]

Kyle O'Quinn has an unusually high ast ratio for a big man in limited minutes. One of the concerns at the 4 is the lack of passing at that position. Neither JT, Landry or Evans are good passers. O'Quinn could work and his contract is cheap. Not sure how you acquire him this season though. All our cheap contracts are good young prospects that it's best to hold onto, and then Casspi who is very valuable right now.

My point was more about signing him this offseason. No reason to give up assets for him if you think you can grab him in free agency.

 

[206Fan]

Those two might somehow become available, if they slip a bit. Okafor is going top-3, and is one of the prizes for professional tankers, no need to mention him - he'll be most likely unavailable for the next 7 years.

But we won't get the other 2 either... because we'll be in the playoffs. Our pick has a top 10 protection on it

 

[Prog]

DEN: they might be regretting that Faried contract, but bet they can Shaw before Faried.

According to this story they never were that high on Faried. Maybe it not impossible as you'd think.

 

[pshn80]

You mean which of Hollins, Evans, Thompson, Casspi, Williams, Moreland, or Landry? Dunno, lotta guys to choose from.

 

[Gilles]

But we won't get the other 2 either... because we'll be in the playoffs. Our pick has a top 10 protection on it

The moment Silver announces, who Chicago takes with Kings' pick, Kings' future picks become unlocked, and top-3 protected 2016 pick will have some value, plus Kings have Stauskas, so in theory trade is possible. But given, how much time it takes for bigs to make an impact in the NBA, I would rather go and massively overpay guys like O'Quinn or Davis.

 

[Iced Espresso]

What about Faried in Denver?

He has a long expensive contract though.

Wonder if they want to keep it with their performance right now?

 

[206Fan]

The moment Silver announces, who Chicago takes with Kings' pick, Kings' future picks become unlocked, and top-3 protected 2016 pick will have some value, plus Kings have Stauskas, so in theory trade is possible. But given, how much time it takes for bigs to make an impact in the NBA, I would rather go and massively overpay guys like O'Quinn or Davis.

If you could do this trade(unrealistic), would you do it? Stauskas+Landry+DWill for Ryan Anderson+Eric Gordon+Jeff Withey+Trade exemption? We can move Anderson up to our starting 4, but in match up scenarios, JT can start. We lose Landry's bench production, but we'd have Gordon replacing his points. Withey is a guy like Miles Plumlee who could emerge if he received PT. Trading Stauskas is the real gamble though. Would you do this trade?

 

[miltonap]

If you could do this trade(unrealistic), would you do it? Stauskas+Landry+DWill for Ryan Anderson+Eric Gordon+Jeff Withey+Trade exemption? We can move Anderson up to our starting 4, but in match up scenarios, JT can start. We lose Landry's bench production, but we'd have Gordon replacing his points. Withey is a guy like Miles Plumlee who could emerge if he received PT. Trading Stauskas is the real gamble though. Would you do this trade?

Hell to the no. That's awful

 

[peacelate]

What about Joel Anthony?

 

[Gilles]

If you could do this trade(unrealistic), would you do it? Stauskas+Landry+DWill for Ryan Anderson+Eric Gordon+Jeff Withey+Trade exemption? We can move Anderson up to our starting 4, but in match up scenarios, JT can start. We lose Landry's bench production, but we'd have Gordon replacing his points. Withey is a guy like Miles Plumlee who could emerge if he received PT. Trading Stauskas is the real gamble though. Would you do this trade?

Gordon is done. He's helping his team with .417TS% for 10 possessions every game. Remember eMpTy? Remember, how bad Bmac looked last year? Well, they were still better than Gordon at this moment. He might be better, than Stauskas right now, but that can change in a hurry, and is not a reason to take on his $15 million contract. Landry is the main scoring threat off the bench, and he does efficiently and pretty consistently.

Hell to the no. That's awful

Don't worry, that's an illegal trade anyway.

 

[funkykingston]

Ersan Ilyasova may turn out to be a good fit. I just don't know how much impact of adding another undersized PF to our platoon of undersized PFs will do for the team. Also, can a career 0.6 blocks per game/36 minutes be of much help to the Kings?

Let us say we got him for the very attractive expiring contract of DWill, then he turns out only to be mediocre, what are we going to do until 2017?

Ouch, if it also happens we got Ersan Ilyasova at the expense of JT.

Kings platoon of midget PF:

Carl Landry: 6' 7.75" without shoes
Ersan Ilyasova: 6' 7.75" without shoes
Reggie Evans: 6' 7.5" without shoes

Milwaukee has two guys that I think would make an ideal PF platoon (at least in terms of skill sets) around Cousins in Sanders and Ilyasova. A rim protector and a stretch 4 who is a halfway decent rebounder/defender.

Right now the Kings have too many PFs and all of them with major flaws. Moreland isn't nearly ready to contribute to an NBA team, Evans is one dimensional, Landry can't play alongside Cousins effectively, doesn't really pass and is a weak rebounder and JT has played admirable defense but has been unbelievably bad on offense. None of them are rim protectors (except possibly Moreland in a couple seasons) and none of them can stretch the floor.

I was all for dealing Landry as I thought the Kings overpaid for a luxury scoring PF off the bench (who seemed to add injury prone to that list last season) but given the team's poor bench play he's much closer to an essential than a luxury item. And if the Kings had a quality starting PF JT would most likely be the backup C. Evans is likely not part of the Kings after this season whether it's because he's dealt (he and Williams have expiring deals) or just allowed to walk in the offseason.

So I think here's where PDA earns his money. He's seemingly put together a unit that can compete for the 8th playoff spot in the stacked West. But for the team to move beyond that as a ceiling there will have to be lots of little tweaks and trades to build a contender. Figuring out the PF spot is task #1 IMO.

 

[Bricklayer]

Kyle O'Quinn has an unusually high ast ratio for a big man in limited minutes. One of the concerns at the 4 is the lack of passing at that position. Neither JT, Landry or Evans are good passers. O'Quinn could work and his contract is cheap. Not sure how you acquire him this season though. All our cheap contracts are good young prospects that it's best to hold onto, and then Casspi who is very valuable right now.

As for O'Quinn's game. he's a big dude with strong shoulders and long arms. He's not all that athletic, but tends to challenge shots without fouling. He's similar defensively to how Cousins works. Just a lot of use of feet and hands to cover space.

His offensive touch is pretty soft and he hits a lot of mid range-side jumpers. He'll toss some Big Al-like floaters in the lane as well. He passes well, and as mentioned, would make the biggest difference at that position via the passing.

Yes on O'Quinn. Was somebody I meant to go back and add. Unusually smart AND unusually tough. But the thing is, he's also a bigtime hack and its far from clear he's a fulltime starter. Just the sort of guy who would fit in and you'd like to have.

 

[VF21]

He's had a couple of seasons where he was injured and missed a lot of games but other than that he's pretty durable. He played in all 82 games 3 years in a row (2007-2010).

The last time he had a completely healthy season was 2010. His most recent past indicates a tendency towards injury. And IIRC he dropped in the draft standings because of back problems. I think his best days are behind him and we need someone who will actually be available.

 

[Bricklayer]

The last time he had a completely healthy season was 2010. His most recent past indicates a tendency towards injury. And IIRC he dropped in the draft standings because of back problems. I think his best days are behind him and we need someone who will actually be available.

Well that's the thing about Emeka, of all these guys he is the one who's "available". As in free, doesn't cost us a thing but money of course. We can sign him and try him out and if it doesn't work out we still have all our assets. Only real risk would be if he signed for a multi-year contract, but given the health issues its hard to imagine there being much of a market for that until he reestablishes himself.

 

[VF21]

Well that's the thing about Emeka, of all these guys he is the one who's "available". As in free, doesn't cost us a thing but money of course. We can sign him and try him out and if it doesn't work out we still have all our assets. Only real risk would be if he signed for a multi-year contract, but given the health issues its hard to imagine there being much of a market for that until he reestablishes himself.

I didn't mean available for us to get. I meant available to use once we have him. I'm still more than a little leery of getting players who have trouble staying healthy. It's like challenging "worse" you know?

 

[Bricklayer]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11865367/how-denver-nuggets-became-nba-biggest-disappointment

Some interesting stuff in there about Faried and his status in the organization. Its not impossible he might actually be available maybe. Maybe. And PDA does still have contracts over there. Of course also sounds like there might be issues, and that they might not have a clue what they are actually trying to do. At $12.5mil per you'd want to be sure, and you'd want to vet it with Rudy and Cuz for their summer experience with him.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I'd take a chance on Okafor for a one year contract. He's a great guy, would be good for the culture and chemistry emphasis, and his skillset would be very useful for us. It is a risk with his past and recent health issues, but this franchise understands what calculated risks are and is willing to take them. Lets check him out

 

[Iced Espresso]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11865367/how-denver-nuggets-became-nba-biggest-disappointment

Some interesting stuff in there about Faried and his status in the organization. Its not impossible he might actually be available maybe. Maybe. And PDA does still have contracts over there. Of course also sounds like there might be issues, and that they might not have a clue what they are actually trying to do. At $12.5mil per you'd want to be sure, and you'd want to vet it with Rudy and Cuz for their summer experience with him.

Would they take a simple expiring?

 

[sdballer]

No interest in faried. He's a glorified Reggie Evans getting paid like a minor star. Love his hustle and energy but he's very limited offensively, especially from mid range where we'd like a partner to cousins to excel, and he's a poor to average defender. Better places to spend our money.

 

[twslam07]

No interest in faried. He's a glorified Reggie Evans getting paid like a minor star. Love his hustle and energy but he's very limited offensively, especially from mid range where we'd like a partner to cousins to excel, and he's a poor to average defender. Better places to spend our money.

Agreed. I want no part of Faried at $12.5 mil. He's not the right type of player you want next to Cousins. If we're pairing Cousins with someone who makes $12.5 mil a season, they better be a defensive anchor or a second/third option. Faried is neither.

 

[Prince_XY]

He's a great rebounder. Per36, he averages 11.2 RPG for his career. With a frontcourt of Cousins, O'Quinn, and Gay, we should be able to dominate the boards night in and night out.

He's a great passer for a big man, who averages (per36) 2.6 APG for his career. Having both Cousins and O'Quinn finding people should only make it that much easier to find people for easy buckets.

His defense is also pretty good as well. He's strong enough to hold position down low, but also nimble enough to stay with his man. Not to mention he averages 2.3 BPG and 1 SPG per36 for his career.

Kyle O'Quinn is currently at 5.1 Blocks per game this season (per 36 min.) He is currently playing 21 min. per game.

Kyle O'Quinn :
6' 8.5" without shoes (as tall as Taj Gibson and Blake Griffin)

 

[twslam07]

Kyle O'Quinn is currently at 5.1 Blocks per game this season (per 36 min.) He is currently playing 21 min. per game.

Kyle O'Quinn :
6' 8.5" without shoes (as tall as Taj Gibson and Blake Griffin)

You do realize he has only played 1 game this year. It's not really fair to say he's averaging 5.1 BPG per36 this season since his season consists of just one game.

 

[Tetsujin]

Kyle O'Quinn is currently at 5.1 Blocks per game this season (per 36 min.) He is currently playing 21 min. per game.

Kyle O'Quinn :
6' 8.5" without shoes (as tall as Taj Gibson and Blake Griffin)

Mystery Player A's per-36 stats: 24 ppg, 12 apg. All-star point guard? Nope, that's Cleveland Cavs third-string center Alex Kirk, who's played a total of three minutes over two games.

O'Quinn's played a single game this season so a per-36 isn't representative of anything.

While I find per-36 stats to be one of the better ways to compare and contrast players, they aren't perfect, especially in the context of small sample sizes or garbage time theater

 

[randymoss1881]

Oquinn can't get off the bench for orlando but would do do something here. I'll pass dudes not playing there for a reason

 

[twslam07]

Oquinn can't get off the bench for orlando but would do do something here. I'll pass dudes not playing there for a reason

That's a very lazy approach to take. Part of our team's success has been based on finding players who are overlooked (e.g. Gay, Collison). If you want to take the easy way out and say he's not getting minutes on his current team so we shouldn't go after him, fine, but don't expect all of us to follow along.

On a side note, he did start the first game of the season, and he would have logged close to 25-26 min if he didn't get hurt in that game. We'll have to see what his minute distribution is like once he comes back now that Frye is healthy, but I wouldn't classify him as a player that can't get off the bench. He did start 19 games for them last year and averaged 17 minutes a game as a sophomore, and I fully expect his minutes to go up again this year.

The truth is that he's been a very effective player when in the game, and with this only being his third season, he still has lots of time to improve.

 

[Gilles]

Oquinn can't get off the bench for orlando but would do do something here. I'll pass dudes not playing there for a reason

You know that he's injured, right? Orlando plays him every minute, he's not in foul trouble.

 

[KingsFanGER]

Orlando has a promising young center, who shows some weaknesses on the defensive end. I doubt they are willing to let O'Quinn walk, even though they have Frye and combo-forward Harris, who is a really talented dude. O'Quinn seems to be their only above average defensive bigman.

 

[funkykingston]

The last time he had a completely healthy season was 2010. His most recent past indicates a tendency towards injury. And IIRC he dropped in the draft standings because of back problems. I think his best days are behind him and we need someone who will actually be available.

I don't remember Okafor having any health issues coming out of UConn. He was in contention to go #1 and when the Magic took Dwight Howard, Charlotte snapped him up at #2.

He lost all of last season to a herniated disk but he should make a full recovery and he's still young enough (31 I believe) to expect a few more good seasons from him. If anything the issue would be that there will be a mini bidding war when he comes back mid season and the Kings won't be able to offer what other teams can.

 

[funkykingston]

Hmm.



Seems like O'Quinn would fit quite nicely actually.