Will Eric Musselman ever take us to the title?
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Um...this has to be one of the all time great "how the bleep could we possibly know at this point" questions.
If we trade for Dwayne Wade, KG and Big Ben tommorow, obviously his chances would be pretty good. We keep going the way we've been going, they quite obviously would not.
If we trade for Dwayne Wade, KG and Big Ben tommorow, obviously his chances would be pretty good. We keep going the way we've been going, they quite obviously would not.
6th
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I don't think the coach is entirely responsible for getting a title. The players matter. However, with the players Muss has right now...no way. Could he ever, with a couple of superstars and some supporting role players? There are not too many coaches in the league who couldn't given that scenario.
GoGoGadget
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Think I'm going to wait until I see Coach Muss at the helm for... oh, I don't know... at least one game before I make that prediction.
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BawLa
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You've got to say yes if you are a true fan. No one knows which coach is going to win when they go to a team. I think you gotta stand behind them until they let you down.
Of course it is easier to believe in someone with a better track record, but even Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, and Greg Popovich got their first one somewhere. The common theme between these coaches and there respective teams is the stars that they had. I think we have 2 stars divided between 3 people - Artest is one, Bibby and Martin are half stars IMO. Our obvious problem is we need a dominant big man.
If GP can land a big man within the next two years then Muss will have no excuses. Until then, his job is to get everyone he can on-board.
Of course it is easier to believe in someone with a better track record, but even Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, and Greg Popovich got their first one somewhere. The common theme between these coaches and there respective teams is the stars that they had. I think we have 2 stars divided between 3 people - Artest is one, Bibby and Martin are half stars IMO. Our obvious problem is we need a dominant big man.
If GP can land a big man within the next two years then Muss will have no excuses. Until then, his job is to get everyone he can on-board.
kennadog
Dog On It!
Coaches mostly get the axe, because they are cheaper to fire; they are only one person; and their salary has nothing to do with the team's salary cap. Much easier to get rid of one coach than get rid of a bunch of players. And it actually seems like you are making a big move.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You know...I am getting more than a little tired of those kinds of self-serving proclamations about the nature of fandom. Just paging through the fandom handbook I see not a single mention of "must be delusionally optimistic and self righteous about it".
I sit on the coast and in a city (New York) where they think if you don't boo, criticize your team, and scream bloody murder at every opportunity, then you aren't only not a true fan, you're a spineless dilettante without any depth of sporting knowledge or passion. They aren't right either.
The ONLY litmus test for a fan is that you want the team to win. Whether you in the meantime spend your time with your head in the clouds refusing to hear anything but praise and admiration for everyone from the owners to the ballboys, or in the trenches snarling and barking and tearing your hair out at every real or perceived setback is just a matter of style.
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TheJoker
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Bricklayer said:
I agree with all accounts, but i don't think Eric can bring us a championship now it might take 3-4 years depending what we do with the players we develop or what player we bring in.
but there is no doubt Eric has the chance i think hes gonna do a fine job but right now it might take a little while for the team.
Once again, I'm amazed. ONE COACH a year takes his team to the championship. That doesn't make all the others failures.
Muss will have no excuse if Petrie gets a big man in the next two years?
Is it really that impossible for people to believe that no matter how good a job Petrie does, no matter how good a job Musselman does, no matter how hard the players try, that there might be a BETTER combination on the court than the Kings?
The coach isn't God. He's just a coach. There has to be an extraordinary combination of talent, superior play, dedication, heart AND luck to get a title. If Kings fans didn't learn that after 2002 and 2003, I guess they never will.
BawLa
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So lets see here, first you are criticizing the style of which I choose to believe. Thanks, really classy. I'm sorry that your life is so negative that you gotta criticize every thing I say because my view may be too optimistic and postitive. If I truly believe Muss will have great success here in Sac then what is so wrong with that, as delusional as it may be?
Secondly, you are saying that you don't have to believe in your coach if you are a true fan. Yeah, that makes sense... And if the day comes when Muss is successful it will be so easy for you to hop on board as if you were here the whole time. But if he fails then you can sit back and say I told you so. And if you don't feel one way or another right now, and you just want to wait to pass judgement, then why are you even posting on this thread? Probably just to criticize my thoughts and feelings.
Earlier in this thread you made the statement: "how the bleep could we possibly know at this point". Which tells me that you want to see Muss be successful or unsuccessful before you answer the question. I don't affiliate with organized religion, but I do understand the ideas of faith and belief. If god came down to earth and said here I am, believe in me, then it would kind of defeat the purpose of faith.
Maybe YOU don't realize this because your mind is CLOUDED with NEGATIVITY but negative thoughts only lead to negative outcomes. Think about your most successful friends. I'll wager they have a positive outlook on life. And the same should be true about the antithesis. Well, I could be wrong...after all it is New York, where any given person would be willing to gut the next person over a taxi.
All I'm trying to say is that if people believe Muss will succeed, then he will succeed. Similarly if people believe he will fail, then he will fail.
And if you are idle and don't believe either, then you are not helping.
Take a look at page 42 in the fandom handbook, it clearly states that you must believe to achieve.
BawLa
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I never said anything like that, but I will still defend it. Only one coach a year does not fail. Go ask Avery Johnson if he failed last year.
The coaches job isn't to sit there and look pretty. Their job is to prepare and lead their team to victory. Of course, you can only work with what you've got.
Basically, yes. Two big men would be nice, but one should do the trick. When I say big man, I don't mean Loren Woods, I mean a dominant large man.
Look at the teams that have won recently. Shaq with LA, Big Ben with Detroit, Duncan with SA, Shaq with Miami. What seems to be the recurring theme?
I personally feel that if we land a dominant big man then Muss will have no excuses because I feel that we have enough talent at other positions to get the job done.
No, it is not hard to believe. Again I have no idea why you are bringing this up as if thats what I said.
GP's job is to get the best players he can to Sac. Muss' job is to get those players to play together and win. The players jobs are to do what the coaches say and give it their all. If all three do their jobs, that doesn't neccessarily mean we are going to win. But if we want to win all three must do their jobs at the highest level, and in unison.
GoGoGadget
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So lets see here, first you are criticizing the style of which I choose to believe. Thanks, really classy. I'm sorry that your life is so negative that you gotta criticize every thing I say because my view may be too optimistic and postitive. If I truly believe Muss will have great success here in Sac then what is so wrong with that, as delusional as it may be?
Secondly, you are saying that you don't have to believe in your coach if you are a true fan. Yeah, that makes sense... And if the day comes when Muss is successful it will be so easy for you to hop on board as if you were here the whole time. But if he fails then you can sit back and say I told you so. And if you don't feel one way or another right now, and you just want to wait to pass judgement, then why are you even posting on this thread? Probably just to criticize my thoughts and feelings.
Earlier in this thread you made the statement: "how the bleep could we possibly know at this point". Which tells me that you want to see Muss be successful or unsuccessful before you answer the question. I don't affiliate with organized religion, but I do understand the ideas of faith and belief. If god came down to earth and said here I am, believe in me, then it would kind of defeat the purpose of faith.
Maybe YOU don't realize this because your mind is CLOUDED with NEGATIVITY but negative thoughts only lead to negative outcomes. Think about your most successful friends. I'll wager they have a positive outlook on life. And the same should be true about the antithesis. Well, I could be wrong...after all it is New York, where any given person would be willing to gut the next person over a taxi.
All I'm trying to say is that if people believe Muss will succeed, then he will succeed. Similarly if people believe he will fail, then he will fail.
And if you are idle and don't believe either, then you are not helping.
Take a look at page 42 in the fandom handbook, it clearly states that you must believe to achieve.
WOW.
Just... wow.
D-Mass
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You can't be serious. That's just...what GGG said...WOW.
That "power of suggestion" stuff only works with ouija boards.
Kingzrool
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This does not sound like you are telling us the "style of which [you] choose to believe"
It sounds like you are telling us that if we are true fans, than we have got to say yes.
It is your verbiage not mine!
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BawLa
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Great response filled with intelligence.
Totally uncalled for, IMHO.
You're making it sound as though the only two acceptable choices are championship and complete failure.
Well, for a lot of us there are a lot of things in between. And you're taking some people's comments WAY too seriously.
Have a nice day.
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