Why not Vonleh?

[sdballer]

Well for what it's worth pete said he'd take another sg in next years draft too, if they were the bpa.

 

[Glenn]

I think the same can be said for McLemore, but yet people are ready to give up on his potential after one season. If you want to move him in a deal for some vets to try and win now, fine. But you don't give up on a kid with his size, athleticism, and raw shooting ability because he under performed in his first year (under performed might be an understatement).

I agree with you so at least we band together in the criticism we may get. No one really knows what Ben will evolve into. He has obvious limitations with his handles but otherwise is very, very athletic and should start knocking down shots at regular rate.

Point being as to using him as a trade piece: if we don't get high value for him, I would keep him. There is no way of defining his value and throwing him into a trade as an extra body could be a big mistake. I said, "could" and the chance of it being a mistake is much higher than 0%.

 

[Bricklayer]

0-13 in game 1 = would have had us all redflagging another potential bust

 

[Chubbs]

Ha. Stretch 4, huh? Vonleh has flop written all over him.

 

[Section 101]

Ha. Stretch 4, huh? Vonleh has flop written all over him.

Reports I read are his IQ is very low. Another Whiteside type.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I hear this a lot. What prevents Vonleh from working on his weaknesses in the NBA? He has the best coaching, training staff and players to practice against.

What prevents a player from getting better once he gets the NBA money?

What difference does it make if a kid can get better "once he gets the NBA money"? Why should an NBA team pay a kid $11M or so, over three seasons, to learn how to play?

What happened to players knowing how to play when they come out of college? Anybody else old enough to remember when that happened?

 

[VF21]

What difference does it make if a kid can get better "once he gets the NBA money"? Why should an NBA team pay a kid $11M or so, over three seasons, to learn how to play?

What happened to players knowing how to play when they come out of college? Anybody else old enough to remember when that happened?

You mean guys like Tim Duncan and Reggie Miller?

 

[Tetsujin]

The good for Vonleh today: 18 rebounds.

The bad: Was out on the perimeter more than Spencer Hawes. Displayed superduper low basketball IQ. Somehow managed to get 8 fouls in 31 minutes defending a flaccid D-Will and a guy who makes Justin Williams look polished on offense (Moreland). Really not good at defense at this point in time.

My superscientific analysis? The dude is superraw and on the T-rob to Justin Williams scale rates at a solid Hassan

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I think the same can be said for McLemore, but yet people are ready to give up on his potential after one season. If you want to move him in a deal for some vets to try and win now, fine. But you don't give up on a kid with his size, athleticism, and raw shooting ability because he under performed in his first year (under performed might be an understatement).

Size? He's not a bigger or stronger guard, at all

 

[King Baller]

What difference does it make if a kid can get better "once he gets the NBA money"? Why should an NBA team pay a kid $11M or so, over three seasons, to learn how to play?

What happened to players knowing how to play when they come out of college? Anybody else old enough to remember when that happened?

The question should be why do teams pay young men large $$$ contracts on "potential". It is the teams fault. Nobody is making these teams draft one and done players

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

The question should be why do teams pay young men large $$$ contracts on "potential". It is the teams fault. Nobody is making these teams draft one and done players

Although it seems like more than half of the talent pool is one and done players,...so it doesn't leave much choice

 

[Spike]

What difference does it make if a kid can get better "once he gets the NBA money"? Why should an NBA team pay a kid $11M or so, over three seasons, to learn how to play?

What happened to players knowing how to play when they come out of college? Anybody else old enough to remember when that happened?

 

[twslam07]

Size? He's not a bigger or stronger guard, at all

6'5" with a 6'8" wingspan is good size for a SG. I'm not sure what SGs you are accustomed to seeing...

He is on the lighter side, but as a 21 year old, he'll have plenty of time to add muscle to his frame.

 

[sdballer]

I think in 3 years, he could be the perfect compliment to Boogie. The problem is we may not have 2-3 years to wait.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

What difference does it make if a kid can get better "once he gets the NBA money"? Why should an NBA team pay a kid $11M or so, over three seasons, to learn how to play?

What happened to players knowing how to play when they come out of college? Anybody else old enough to remember when that happened?

Can someone explain why the players union is against the NBA raising the limit to two years post high school or an age based cap? The players union all "got theirs". There are a bunch of guys hanging on at the end of their career that will benefit by one extra year when 30 something kids have to sit out an extra year to enter the draft. If they were to make it 21st birthday a lot of kids would have to do 3 years.

As a college hoops fan it gets tiring too.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I like the "minor league" compromise, myself, but it would require there to be a 1-to-1 D-League to NBA ratio.

I would be perfectly fine with kids being allowed to go pro out of high school, as long as "pro" didn't mean the NBA. The way I look at it, you have the right to work at eighteen, but you don't have the "right" to get a job with a Fortune 500 right out high school. I've heard some people talk about it as if the NBA owes it to these kids to let them play in their league as soon as possible, as if they "deserve" to play in the NBA. And no, they actually don't "deserve" to play in the NBA. IIRC, there aren't any actual rules saying that kids can't turn pro. If they want to go straight from high school to the D-League, let them. If they want to go straight from high school to Euroleague, let them. But they don't have the "right" to go straight to the highest-paying league.

The NBAPA is responsible to its dues-paying members, and nobody else; they don't owe these kids anything. If they want to collectively bargain that you have to be twenty-one and/or have played at least two years of pro ball somewhere else, they should be allowed to. And, if these kids don't want to go to college, they shouldn't have to, either. I'm just sick of people acting like they have to be allowed to go straight to the NBA, as if the only other alternatives are college or dead in the streets.

 

[NewArena]

More of a potential defender with his length and ability to get blocks/steals, he has the physical tools to get better (especially if he drops some bulk and improves his mobility.)

Jesus. A lot of ifs there lol So what are his skills?

 

[Big Cuz 15]

patrick ewing will be taking him under his wing. he's going to work with him on the low block instead of trying to be a stretch 4. this was mentioned during a summer league interview.

 

[Bricklayer]

patrick ewing will be taking him under his wing. he's going to work with him on the low block instead of trying to be a stretch 4. this was mentioned during a summer league interview.

Yeah, we'll see. I'm not sure you can really teach guts. Guys either love to get physical, or they love to wear frilly skirts. Vonleh's young enough that maybe you can change his direction, but in general that's a basic personality issue. Be one thing if Vonleh just lacked skills, those you can teach. He lacks the DESIRE to be an interior badass.