Who's on your MUST KEEP list?

[captain bill]

My KEEP list:

BONZI
ARTEEST
K-MArt

I dint put Bibby just because a lot of times he has off days and we might need a pure point guard with a some back up shooters. And maybe trade for a PF that can shoot also with a big man who can rebound and block and have a poor mans version of that as a back up.

Mine exactly. Artest is our superstar (hence the 100% must keep) and Bonzi is a stud who showed in the playoffs why we need him. Martin is young, tough, and ice-cold; young talent like that can never be let go (plus he won't get much in return with respect to his future potential). Bibby is enormously talented, but not the type to push a club over the top- just good enough to play with a great team. So if there is a deal good enough I would not hesitate to put him in. Brad is Brad (I still love him, but he's done some unforgivable things of late) and everyone else is redundant.

 

[VF21]

Amanjoy -

You have to give value to get value.

Ronnie Price a MUST KEEP? Shareef a MUST KEEP? Sorry, but we just are on such different levels about this that I can't even begin to find a way to discuss it further.

Peace.

 

[Sirius]

Artest, Bonzi, Bibby, Martin, and maybe SAR (who can continue to play that 6th man role for us). I definitely would like the Kings to keep Garcia, but I'm open to him being moved.

 

[GoGoGadget]

Bibby, Bonzi, Ron and Kevin. Our warriors and our most promising young'n.

And, yes, I consider Mike to be one of our warriors DESPITE defensive issues -- he plays his *** off through countless bangs and bruises. Also, as I've said before, on a purely emotional level, I'd like to see at least one of the players from our glory days retire a King.

 

[Tenacious D]

My must keeps are Artest, Bonzi, Garcia, Martin, Shareef, and Bibby

Artest is the man.
Bonzi because matched with Artest they can dominate anyone.
Martin because we need speed and his contract and potential are good.
Garcia because he has heart and excitement and this is only his first year.
Shareef because of his contract and ability to take over from time to time.
Bibby because he scores more then he gives up. (on most nights)

Everyone else can go if they get us better pieces. I would be willing to let Bibby go only if it was a deal breaker for a great player and a good point guard. Bibby is a difficult one for me because individually I would not want him to go but with Brad and Thomas for a star I know he could be enough to push a blockbuster deal through.

 

[BMiller52]

My must keeps are: Artest, Artest, Martin, Price.

My reasons for them are:

Artest: Ron is obviously our best player. He's a top 10 talent and as long as he keeps his head on straight he should be pretty much untouchable. His shot will be back next year, he's our best post scorer, he's a good ball handler, our best defender, etc.

Mike: Mike is a good teammate and he is a top 5 PG in the NBA. He's our best shooter and we need all the shooting we can get right now. He's got nice court vision, he's good at getting to the bucket, and he's good at creating shots in general. He's good in the Pick&Roll with a good PF/C. He's one of my favorite players and it'd be nice to see him retire here since he is the only person left from the 02-03 team.

Kevin: Kevin is a very good, very athletic, and very smart player. He played really well this season and he's not afraid to make big plays. We're probably not going to get equal value back in a trade anyway. I say must keep him.

Ronnie Price: He's going to be a real good player. He'll be able to get time if he impresses Musselman. He's a skilled player and you'll all see it. He's also real athletic. He won't get us a real good player that will put us over the top anyway.


guys I wanted to put on this list because I liked them anyway but I feel like we can trade if it makes us better:

Reef: He's got a good contract and all but I don't really think his skillset is perfect for us. He's cool though but not afraid to trade if it makes us better.

Brad: He's skilled and his shooting opens up space for Ron/Bonzi on offense but his defense was AWFUL last year. He played good defense before so maybe he can do it under Musselman but if you can get better you trade him.

Garcia: I like him a lot but I don't see where he'll get minutes if we keep Bonzi.

Bonzi: I like watching him A LOT and he's a very good player but he's a free agent. Don't want to spend too much money for him you know? It would suck to have an 11 million dollar contract when he's 33 and losing some of his game. There's no way we'd be able to move that. He was probably our best player in the first half of the season though. Great rebounder. I want to keep him but I want the team to be better more so it wouldn't kill me to S&T him for a good big man either.

 

[Fresno King]

Must Keep List

Artest, Martin, Wells. There's no way I would let those 3 go.

Can we send Bibby, Miller and Thomas to the T'Wolves for Garnett??? That's the only way i would let Bibby and Miller go.

The most important positions on the floor are PG and C. We already have 2 solid guys playing those positions for us. I understand the disappointment in Miller come postseason as of late, but he's STILL one of the top 5 centers in the NBA. I'm surprised a lot of people think he should be replaced. I'm not on that bandwagon. Same goes for Bibby.

The experts say the Kings would have been a 3 or 4 seed if Artest was with the team all year. Isn't that a good enough reason to keep the core guys (Artest, Miller, Bibby, Martin, Wells, SAR) together?

I'm certain Petrie can pull the trigger for a better backup PG and a big man who can come off the bench and make up for Miller's defensive liabilities. Brad's offense and passing skills are too good to let go of that easily.

 

[SacTownKid]

I picked everybody but Brad, Kenny, Jason, and Ronnie. Although I really think Brad can play a BIG role in the future of this team so I hope he is back. I think this team just needs to add a few things to take it to that next level. First and foremost is interior defense.

 

[thesanityannex]

Mine was pretty basic and easy:

Bibby, Wells, Artest, Rahim, Martin, Garcia, Price.


Why the hell not. These are the only guys with promise.

 

[sActOwnGal]

I chose Kevin, Artest, and SAR. Kevin is young and has a ton of potential to be a star in this league, Artest because he is the "man", and SAR because he is solid and we have him at a bargain.

 

[Kings113]

Bibby/Price/Kevin/Garcia/Bonzi/Ron/SAR

Get a couple defensive/effective w/o ball bigs and a solid back-up PG.

 

[VF21]

Bibby/Price/Kevin/Garcia/Bonzi/Ron/SAR

Get a couple defensive/effective w/o ball bigs and a solid back-up PG.

Did you vote? Your tallies aren't showing...

 

[Gary]

I don't want to Gary. He's not on my must keep because we need to improve our front line and if he has to go to do it, well that's just business. Preferably we move Thomas and then maybe Miller, but their contracts are huge and even Miller may be undesireable after this last playoff performance. The same things that make Reef worth keeping make him a good trading asset. Of course I'd love to keep him, I just think he's more of a luxury than a core asset right at this moment.

meh, SAR does a gooj job for what we pay him. He actually did real well off the bench, and as a spot starter. I really don't think we will be able to find anyone better with his understanding of the game.

But yah, I do see some of your points. But it is always good to havea guy like SAR on the team, and he is a deal. I wasn't trying to just get at you in any way, you were just the post above me heheh

 

[SLAB]

My must keeps are:

1: Ron Artest---No brainer, he's the new heart and soul of this team...Not to mention the leader.

2: Bonzi Wells---He is the perfect running buddy for Ron...Both bring huge amounts of toughness to a team that hasnt quite had that in the past.

3: Kevin Martin---Groomed to be the future starter, and for now our super 6th-man Bobby Jackson-esq offensive spark off the bench.

4: Cisco Garcia---Mr. Versatility...Can and will eventually be able to do anything from backup point to backup small forward...Will rack up plenty of minutes while being produvtive across the whole board, and in the process become the leader of the bench.

Anyone else is expendable.

SAR---Bargaining chip...HE is good, and he is cheap...If we can parlay him and other pieces into a superstar you must take it.

Bibby---On the bubble...If the right deal comes up, expendable, but otherwise he should be a mainstay.

Thomas---Here's where people will start giving me funny glances...If we can bring in a big tough center, I think Kenny Thomas is all of a sudden a must keep...Every team has role-players...Every team needs role-players...Kenny Thomas is out role-player of out starting five...He hustles, he goes for evry rebound (and almost always gets it), he isn't overly trigger happy...If we can get a tough center (Tyson Chandler) and a tough backup PF (Brian Skinner-esq) I say must keep...Its all about the role-playing!

Miller---To soft...Trade for Tyson Chandler.

Price/Sampson---To young and unknown to be a *MUST* keep.

Hart---I actually think he's a *MUST* trade...Or cut...Or anything to get him off an NBA roster.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Sorry ANY player is tradeable in the right situation. There are guys you HATE to lose and guys that are hard to lose but in the end for the right offer I'd trade any and all of them. That being said the guys I would like to see the Kings hang on to in order are
1. Artest (team leader and the man that can make the difference on the team)
2. Bibby (floor General makes the offense work... period. Say waht you want about his defense this team just is not the same with out him and there are really only a couple PG's in the leage better.
3. Martin (Great future)
4. Garcia (Great future and realistically not going to go anywere excet as a deal sweetener anyway)
5. Bonzi (would sit higher if his contract was not up,. This time the Kings jsut can just sit back and let him walk. Yes there are price tags too high for what he bings but in that case you still need to sign and trade him. May be the only highly tradeable pice the Kings have to bring in a legit big man)
6. Brad (Not that I am that big on Brad anymore, but truth be told, there are very few Centers in the leage better and only one avalalbel. Realistly he is ahrd to move and for who? Probablly will be back in which case it's the PF position that the Kings have to fill.
Up For Grabs
1. Hart... Please anyone? I'd take a cold root beer and garlic fries for him
2. Kenny... Not starting material and not happy or productive from the bench, this guy is the ultimate tweener in all things AND over paid.
3. SAR.... I really liked what Reef did fromt he bench this season and would like to see him stick arround in that capicty but givne his skill level and profile I suspect his is one of the contracts that are mostlikely to be flosted out there
4. Corliss... Not sure how easy his contract will be to move but he is esy to live with out.
5. Potapenko... Easy to let go since he never really played here and has prety limited skill set.
6. Jamal Samson... Sure I would not mind seeing him go but not sure what we could get for him.
7. Ronni Price... Very hard to asses what the Kid has and it's very unlikely any trade with him will bring in any one with more skill or potential so he makes the bottome of the trade list. Once again easy to do with out but what are you going to get for him? AND he might just develop into a nice 3rd PG next season.

 

[Fillmoe]

bibby
artest
wells
martin
garcia
price

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Must Keep

Must keep:

I only voted for Artest and even then I could be persuaded to change. I have complete faith in Petrie, so if he wants to trade any of our players I trust him (beats the Jerry Reynolds years). Honestly, we don't have Lebron or Wade, so how is any player untradeable. Artest for Lebron.... sure. Bibby for Shaq.... ok. Miller for Nowitski.... if you insist. Obviously these trades are absolutely rediculous, but the point is there is no untradable player. This is a montra I've repeated over many championship fantasy seasons While fantasy is hardly comparable the the NBA, no player is untradeable, especially on our team.

In Petrie we trust!

 

[Bricklayer]

Unbfortunately MUSt keep lists are always relative. To take the extreme example, if the Cavs offered us LeBron, who's a MUST keep? Nobody. But for practical reasons I just voted for Ron. A numebr of other guys strung out who I think should stay in most cases, but Ron's really the single building block that you almost HAVE to build around.

 

[love_them_kings]

I'm voting Ron Artest as the only "must keep" just because we saw that his attitude and effort turned this team around, and I don't want to head back in the other direction! In general, the right trade for the right player can make anyone else expendable in my book, and so I only voted for Ron.

However, there are several players I think are "should keeps unless the PERFECT trade comes up" and those are KMart, Bonzi (assuming we can resign), and Bibby.

 

[LilMissDiva]

Bonzi, Artest, SAR and Martin

 

[LilMissDiva]

I think Mike can step up and play the kind of game Muss is going to demand of him. He's got fantastic court vision, I don't think we could really upgrade at the 1 easily, AND he's got an outside shot that we will still need. If we get rid of Bibby, we're down to no real outside shooters (no offense to Ron...). I don't like that idea at all.

and even though I did not vote for him, in this circumstance Bibby too.

 

[kingsfan916]

mike
bonzi
ron
kevin
cisco

 

[Amanjoy]

Amanjoy -

You have to give value to get value.

Ronnie Price a MUST KEEP? Shareef a MUST KEEP? Sorry, but we just are on such different levels about this that I can't even begin to find a way to discuss it further.

Peace.

I think a 2-time all-star like Brad has got enough value to actually get something for him. Also, I know the Ronnie Price thing seems like a stretch, but as armchair GM, I'm not willing to put a guy as one of the focal points of my summer league unless I feel he's a must-keep. Why develop a player only to make it possible for him to leave and be a star somehwere else? Finally, what better value can you get in giving away a proven post player who is only 30 years old and still has 3-5 good years left in him? I personally don't see a player out there that would the Kings could realistically pick up in a trade for Shareef. Reef has proven he can be an elite talent in this league, and used in a way that caters to his strengths, he can be that once again for the KIngs.

 

[Bricklayer]

I think a 2-time all-star like Brad has got enough value to actually get something for him. Also, I know the Ronnie Price thing seems like a stretch, but as armchair GM, I'm not willing to put a guy as one of the focal points of my summer league unless I feel he's a must-keep. Why develop a player only to make it possible for him to leave and be a star somehwere else? Finally, what better value can you get in giving away a proven post player who is only 30 years old and still has 3-5 good years left in him? I personally don't see a player out there that would the Kings could realistically pick up in a trade for Shareef. Reef has proven he can be an elite talent in this league, and used in a way that caters to his strengths, he can be that once again for the KIngs.

1) summer leagues develop absolute nobodies. Late draft picks, random free agents. There is not a shred of status to it. Kevin Martin will be as accomplished as anyone in the entire summer league, and he hasn;t done anything.

2) Nobody in the NBA has considered Reef "elite" since Y2K was causing dimwits to stock up on toilet paper and rice cakes. He was a borderline All-Star there for a while. Very borderline. As in once. And he hasn't been close in years. You can jock him and want him back, but a "MUST keep" is entirely a different question. Nobody "must keeps" a 12pt 5reb 30yr old. Or most of our roster for that matter.

 

[Venom]

Unbfortunately MUSt keep lists are always relative. To take the extreme example, if the Cavs offered us LeBron, who's a MUST keep? Nobody. But for practical reasons I just voted for Ron. A numebr of other guys strung out who I think should stay in most cases, but Ron's really the single building block that you almost HAVE to build around.

My thought process exactly.

 

[Amanjoy]

1) summer leagues develop absolute nobodies. Late draft picks, random free agents. There is not a shred of status to it. Kevin Martin will be as accomplished as anyone in the entire summer league, and he hasn;t done anything.

2) Nobody in the NBA has considered Reef "elite" since Y2K was causing dimwits to stock up on toilet paper and rice cakes. He was a borderline All-Star there for a while. Very borderline. As in once. And he hasn't been close in years. You can jock him and want him back, but a "MUST keep" is entirely a different question. Nobody "must keeps" a 12pt 5reb 30yr old. Or most of our roster for that matter.

If summer leagues don't develop anybody...then why was Hedo Turkoglu the focal point of our summer league 4 years ago? The reason: to help develop him into the 17 and 8 player he is today for Orlando. The Kings knew he wasn't going to develop into an immediate contributor unless they he had the opportunity to get some work in against inferior talent to get his confidence up, and help him learn how to play the NBA game. The same goes for KMart, Cisco, and Ronnie. Had it not been for injuries, KMart wouldn't have gotten an opportunity, and he's a talented player, so he snuck up on some people. Well, he's not sneaking up on anyone now...so the opportunity to beat up on some scrubs will give him the chance to hone his skills for the regular season the same way it di for Hedo a few years ago. Ronnie Price didn't get hardly any opportunity last year...so the chance to be the focal point of the summer league will help him better develop into a reliable back-up PG. I know that few beilieve me...but this guy is a must keep for the future.

As for Reef: Well saying he's elite now was a little over the top. However, he is still a solid contributor...and I know of no one better to bring in off the bench as a solid scoring option in the post. Maybe Nene...but his injury last year leavves him with a question mark. Reef has still got 2-3 good years left in him where he can dominate in the post off the bench and be a stabilizer in the Kings offense. So...I admit, saying he's elite still is a bit of a stretch...but he's still a solid NBA player that deserves the security of knowing he's gonna finish his career in a winning situation. The guy has suffered through enough his whole career. Give him the chance to contribute to a winner.

 

[Ryle]

then why was Hedo Turkoglu the focal point of our summer league 4 years ago? The reason: to help develop him into the 17 and 8 player he is today for Orlando.

17 and 8??? He averaged just under 15 points and 4 boards last year.

 

[Amanjoy]

17 and 8??? He averaged just under 15 points and 4 boards last year.

17 and 8 is what he averaged the last month of the season if I remember the ESPN graphic correctly from back in early April (but don't quote me on that on either). Thanks for the research though. I was just going off the last months of the season and not the whole season in general.

 

[chelle]

I would keep Bibby, Artest, Martin, and Wells. There are others that I would LIKE to keep, but can see a need for an upgrade.