Who would replace Petrie?

[sactownfan]

I keep reading over and over in the threads about people being down on Petrie this and that...

I think we've been spoiled. Look he made this team respectable, enough so that people finally say... we dropped off vs we still suck... because before Petrie there was no mountain to fall from, we always sucked.

Look hes not perfect... no one is...but...

He has one of the best draft records during his era... Wallace, Jason Williams, Hedo, Peja, Garcia, Martin, Hawes, and many more. I'd say corliss williamson and brian Grant, jerome james were alright players... James and Grant Hung around as journey men and the big nasty proved to be a solid big till his last yr with us... Petries a almost no fail with drafting

His trades over his career are alright... (Keep in mind starting with trades and then free agents, the maloofs influence begins to factor in)

and His free agents have been alright as well.... Jim Jackson, Bobby Jackson, Divac, and friends... Keon clark, Peeler, matt barnes???

People love to talk crap on Petrie but if you wanna look at the history. your dealing with one of the best GM's in the freakn league... If you subtract the Maloofs getting involved in things, it probably would rank Petrie higher.

Anyway my point is who the hell would you replace Petrie with if you could?!?!?!? (Isiah Thomas is available)

to fire Petrie or let him walk would be one of the worst things ever for this franchise.

 

[Aenadin]

I keep reading over and over in the threads about people being down on Petrie this and that...

I think we've been spoiled. Look he made this team respectable, enough so that people finally say... we dropped off vs we still suck... because before Petrie there was no mountain to fall from, we always sucked.

Look hes not perfect... no one is...but...

He has one of the best draft records during his era... Wallace, Jason Williams, Hedo, Peja, Garcia, Martin, Hawes, and many more. I'd say corliss williamson and brian Grant, jerome james were alright players... James and Grant Hung around as journey men and the big nasty proved to be a solid big till his last yr with us... Petries a almost no fail with drafting

His trades over his career are alright... (Keep in mind starting with trades and then free agents, the maloofs influence begins to factor in)

and His free agents have been alright as well.... Jim Jackson, Bobby Jackson, Divac, and friends... Keon clark, Peeler, matt barnes???

People love to talk crap on Petrie but if you wanna look at the history. your dealing with one of the best GM's in the freakn league... If you subtract the Maloofs getting involved in things, it probably would rank Petrie higher.

Anyway my point is who the hell would you replace Petrie with if you could?!?!?!? (Isiah Thomas is available)

to fire Petrie or let him walk would be one of the worst things ever for this franchise.

you dont drop a 2 time executive of the year just like that... you just dont

its not his fault that the maloofs are getting their hands on the job..the should just let him do the job he is being paid to do..

now that we are clearing a lot of FAs this offseason id like to see who he would steal... and whom he would sign..

 

[=LarryLegend=]

Kings made a big mistake by getting rid of Rick........I would be pissed if they got rid of Geoff.


Lets be serious, no big time name free agent is going to come here. He is one of the best GMs to have picking young talent.

 

[John Galt]

Petrie is ok, and certainly was charmed when he got Vlade, Webber and Adelman and catapulted us to the playoffs for a while.

And I like very much a couple tweaks along the way to get us near the top, getting Doug for Corliss was a great move. Bibby for Jason was a great move. Jim Jackson what a coup. And Kevin is looking like a terrific draft pick.

So Geoff has done some things right. But he has been resting on those laurels a long time now.

But so many people look at his moves through rose colored glasses, no matter what, and it does look like such a yummy kool aid but I'm not thirsty.

It is too early to crow about Spencer... I mean he seems decent. He was not exactly an "out of the box" pick that Geoff found on a playground in Kenya or anything. He was the next big man on the board. If Geoff ends up getting a resume ready, I don't know that "I drafted Spencer Hawes" is going to be one the lead bullet items.

Francisco Garcia is not an NBA starter. I like him as a person but would you trade him for Monta Ellis or David Lee?

A couple popular picks in Jason and Peja but lets apply 20/20 hindsight:

Would you swap the Jason Williams pick for Paul Pierce or Dirk Nowitzki?

Peja was fun in his way (never a favorite of mine) and given a time machine and a do-over I think I'd go with Steve Nash or Jermaine Oneal.

Jason Williams and Peja Stojakovic, or Steve Nash and Paul Pierce? Cannot hang a gold star on Geoff for the Jason and Peja picks.

imo he's been a good drafter. Not Kreskin though, not a magician on draft day. Just good.

Now did a particularly bright GM let Gerald Wallace slip away in the expansion draft?

Was is particularly impressive to trade Hedo for Brad (and subsequently Brad for nothing)?

Is Geoff responsible for hiring a string of bad coaches? No? Then he is responsible for letting himself turn into a time clock punching paycheck cashing yes man.

Is Geoff responsible for the Webber debacle, the trade for flexible pieces that left the sixers off the hook and the Kings stuck with Kenny Thomas?

Was not Geoff Petrie the architect of the "Bibby/Peja/Brad core" concept which proved such a failure?

If the Kings retain Geoff Petrie it is ok, but if they fire him for some new blood I won't be so crushed. On balance, in hindsight, Geoff has done a nice job. That's all. Lately he has been a failure.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

but if they fire him for some new blood I won't be so crushed.

This is the last year of his contract. they could just let him walk.

 

[FakeInjury]

He's not being paid very much. I would think that he wants a very large extension that makes him at least 2.5mil per season. He is going to hard ball the team into giving him it, and they have to, because Petrie is the only one who holds the organization together. Petrie has all the ties to the legends and all the ties to the other GM's. He could ask for 5 million and we would have to give it to him. Petrie for all the horrid advice he gives and recieves is still the most valuable asset the kings have. Petrie is like Morpheus, he beleives so blindly in his draft picks he would sacrafice himself to save "the one".

 

[kennadog]

He's not being paid very much. I would think that he wants a very large extension that makes him at least 2.5mil per season. He is going to hard ball the team into giving him it, and they have to, because Petrie is the only one who holds the organization together. Petrie has all the ties to the legends and all the ties to the other GM's. He could ask for 5 million and we would have to give it to him. Petrie for all the horrid advice he gives and recieves is still the most valuable asset the kings have. Petrie is like Morpheus, he beleives so blindly in his draft picks he would sacrafice himself to save "the one".

The Maloofs did offer him an extension already. He turned it down. Just wanted to see how things go. The Maloofs have said repeatedly that GP has the job as long as he wants it. I'm curious what "horrid" advice you think Petrie has given?

 

[Heuge]

Bricklayer would replace Petrie.

Seriously though, if you suck at your job for 8 years, you deserved to be fired.

 

[TTown Kings]

The ones calling for his head are probably the same ones that wanted Adelman out. We all see where that has gotten us. Petrie is a really good GM and I'm glad we have him. Hope he stays for a long time. I see the same thing happening if he were to leave, us replacing GM after GM for a decade and continuing to look for the right one when we had him all along. Then all of us saying, "Wish we still had GP, oh well" just like we do wit.h Adelman

 

[fnordius]

The ones calling for his head are probably the same ones that wanted Adelman out.

Huh?

From what we guess, Geoff himself didn't want Adelman out, beyond maybe wanting to spare his friend any more hassles with the Maloofs. Nor did he want to trade Webber for 3 undersized forwards, hire Muss, avoid rebuilding in favor of a RonRon bandaid, or any of a number of other bad decisions. If what we guess about these things is true, the ones who wanted Adelman's head were much more in agreement with the Maloofs than with Geoff. And now there is little real prospect of the Maloofs ousting Geoff, rather we have Geoff not accepting an extension to his contract. That is Geoff saying that maybe there are other things he'd rather be doing, that his job has lately been more of a headache than the paycheck's worth.

So you could almost say that those who are calling for Geoff's head are, in an odd sort of way, in agreement with Geoff, and may have been in agreement with Geoff about the most important decisions of the last several years. If our guesses are right, anyway.

 

[Heuge]

The ones calling for his head are probably the same ones that wanted Adelman out. We all see where that has gotten us. Petrie is a really good GM and I'm glad we have him. Hope he stays for a long time. I see the same thing happening if he were to leave, us replacing GM after GM for a decade and continuing to look for the right one when we had him all along. Then all of us saying, "Wish we still had GP, oh well" just like we do wit.h Adelman

I am still bitter about the RA firing. That said, Petrie has earned himself a pink slip.

And how can a good GM suck for almost a decade and still be called a good GM? I wish I could get a free pass from good work done in the 90s.

 

[Heuge]

Huh?

From what we guess, Geoff himself didn't want Adelman out, beyond maybe wanting to spare his friend any more hassles with the Maloofs. Nor did he want to trade Webber for 3 undersized forwards, hire Muss, avoid rebuilding in favor of a RonRon bandaid, or any of a number of other bad decisions. If what we guess about these things is true, the ones who wanted Adelman's head were much more in agreement with the Maloofs than with Geoff. And now there is little real prospect of the Maloofs ousting Geoff, rather we have Geoff not accepting an extension to his contract. That is Geoff saying that maybe there are other things he'd rather be doing, that his job has lately been more of a headache than the paycheck's worth.

So you could almost say that those who are calling for Geoff's head are, in an odd sort of way, in agreement with Geoff, and may have been in agreement with Geoff about the most important decisions of the last several years. If our guesses are right, anyway.

The Maloof excuse is just that, an excuse. There is no evidence that the Maloof forced any of those deals. (and Petrie could have left anytime if he felt he couldnt do his job)

 

[bajaden]

The Maloof excuse is just that, an excuse. There is no evidence that the Maloof forced any of those deals. (and Petrie could have left anytime if he felt he couldnt do his job)

If you don't think the Maloff's were involved in any of the poor decisions that were made, then your either blind or in denial. I think Petrie likes it here and would love to stay. But the fact that he turned down an extension, could mean that he has finally had it with the Maloof's interfering with his job. By saying he wanted to wait and see how things turned out, he could be referring to the promise from the Maloof's that they were going to let him run the show this time.

Petrie has never been one to air his dirty laundry in public, so all it leaves us with is pure speculation. This is Petrie's chance to once again prove he's one of the best. I would like to see him have the chance, and then judge him. Besides, the last thing this franchise needs right now is more change. What it needs is stability. You don't attract good players when you look like the key stone cops.

 

[KF8]

The 2 glaring mistakes would be not rebuilding earlier and the signing of Beno. Besides that Petrie has done a pretty decent job with the draft. If only we started earlier we would be contenders by now.

 

[CaminoChaos]

It makes me laugh. People have posted bad things about GP in this thread and many others but not one has had a replacement in mind. I believe these are the same people who like to make changes just for the sake of making changes. Until the haters actually posted a better available option than Petrie I'm still going to preach "In Petrie We Trust".

 

[vikinginferno]

I doubt the Maloofs just let Petrie get away. You guys can criticize him all you want, but the guy you want taking his place better be damn good or there would seriously be no point.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Firing Petrie = mistake

 

[John Galt]

The ones calling for his head are probably the same ones that wanted Adelman out. We all see where that has gotten us. Petrie is a really good GM and I'm glad we have him. Hope he stays for a long time. I see the same thing happening if he were to leave, us replacing GM after GM for a decade and continuing to look for the right one when we had him all along. Then all of us saying, "Wish we still had GP, oh well" just like we do wit.h Adelman

Could not be further from the truth. Show me one thread on this board or any other where I wanted Adelman out or monday morning quarterbacked anything Adelman did, and I'll send you $10 by paypal. I never wavered in my support of Adelman. Letting him go was a catastrophe.

The only real argument I'm hearing for Geoff Petrie is "he is a great GM because he just is. He just is. Because obviously he is because he just is nuff said he is and if you don't agree you are not a real fan. Because he always has been and he is. In Geoff we trust."

 

[vikinginferno]

Could not be further from the truth. Show me one thread on this board or any other where I wanted Adelman out or monday morning quarterbacked anything Adelman did, and I'll send you $10 by paypal. I never wavered in my support of Adelman. Letting him go was a catastrophe.

The only real argument I'm hearing for Geoff Petrie is "he is a great GM because he just is. He just is. Because obviously he is because he just is nuff said he is and if you don't agree you are not a real fan. Because he always has been and he is. In Geoff we trust."

I'm fine with you doubting him, but why do you think there would be a replacement that would be better?

 

[Heuge]

I'm fine with you doubting him, but why do you think there would be a replacement that would be better?

Why wouldnt there be a better? 8 years of bad moves, almost a whole decade. Ill take almost anyone. How about Portlands VP? Dont know his name, but Ill take him.

 

[John Galt]

I think the "show me somebody better" comeback is fair. I don't know it is hard to size up how somebody's hoops acumen will work out.

Here's three candidates:

Bricklayer
Rick Barry
John Whisenant

 

[LPKingsFan]

Jason Levien?

 

[Bricklayer]

The "show me someone better" excuse is just that, an excuse, when it comes to GMing. As fans, you aren't going to know assistant GMs or whatnot enough to be able to put a specific name on a replacement, but he's out there anyway. Its like having a financial advisor who has lost 75% of your portfolio inthe last decade. He can't say "well, who's better" depending on your ignorance of the world of financial advisor's to protect him. You know that SOMEBODY has to be better, and that is all that matters.

That does bring up the problem here though: the Maloofs. In recent years they have been prone to making very foolish decisions based on anything and everything but actual NBA acumen. You could easily end up with Whis, or Levein, or whoever is whispering in theri ear and buttering thme up at the moment, or just whoever walked through the door with the prettiest smile and best powerpoint. As much as there somewhere out there there absolutely, 100%, are better choices out there than Geoff, there are absolutely 100% worse ones. It puts you in a real pickle as a fan, and has been the real anoyance for years now. The players may suck, but the real problem is how do you ever correct that when you don't trust anybody in the front office to make smart decisions? (Unless of course they do in fact want to hire me, in which case of course they are very wise. I'll work cheap guys. )

All of which leaves me believing that Geoff needs to have this one last summer, with draft picks, cap room, a coaching vacancy, and hopefully no sacred cows on the team (the slimy presence of Kevin's ex-agent in the front office still making that doubtful). Just one summer calling the shots unimpeded, and see what happens. If he fails to make real progress, then I say take the plunge next year and cross your fingers on finding one of the better choices. If he succeeds given a lack of meddling for the summer, then you let him see it through.

 

[bajaden]

Why wouldnt there be a better? 8 years of bad moves, almost a whole decade. Ill take almost anyone. How about Portlands VP? Dont know his name, but Ill take him.

His name happens to be Pritchard, and I think he already has a good gig. One that Petrie once had and was successful at. I'm not sure how you measure success, but you started with Petrie not having any for the last 8 years, and then it became a decade. So lets go back 8 years and see what the record shows.

2001/2002 61 wins- 21 losses. Hmmm, thats one of the eight years. Doesn't seem too bad.

2002/2003 59 wins- 23 losses. Can't complain too much there.

2003/2004 55 wins- 27 losses. Still pretty good

2004/2005 50 wins- 32 losses. A nine loss swing in the last 4 years, but still successful by most standards.

2005/2006 44 wins- 38 losses. Definitely starting to slide. Still made the playoffs, but headed in the wrong direction. Maloofs want Rick gone for personal reasons and being the owners, get their way.

If you want to say that there was an obvious decline, I have no problem with that. But to overlook everything that happened as a cause, and just blame it all on Petrie makes no sense. Petrie didn't cause Webb to have knee problems. He wasn't responsible for Bibby's wrist problems two years in a row. Do I think the rebuild should have been started earlier? Yes! But thats easy for me to say sitting in the comfort my living room.

To say that you'll take anyone as a GM over Petrie is an ignorant statement with no thought behind it at all. Do you want Issiah Thomas as you GM. Be very careful what you wish for. The Kings were a ship without a rudder for a long time before they finally got some direction. Petrie may not be the best GM in the league. I personally don't have an opinion on that sort of thing. But I do know he's solid, and he wouldn't have traded for Ralph Sampson. He wouldn't have traded Drew and Woodson, along with some draft picks for Derek Smith.

Every GM is going to make a few moves that aren't great, or perhaps just wern't very good. But good GM's won't make moves that cripple the franchise for years to come. Thats what happened to the franchise in the early years. When Petrie took over, he was patient and slowly dug his way out of the hole we were in. In that instance, he made the right moves. I'm willing to see if he can repeat history, and I think he deserves the chance.

Frankly, after seeing the choices the Maloof's have made on head coaches, I would be scared to death with their choice for GM. Hey, with J.W. waiting in the wings, whats to worry...

 

[Heuge]

His name happens to be Pritchard, and I think he already has a good gig. One that Petrie once had and was successful at. I'm not sure how you measure success, but you started with Petrie not having any for the last 8 years, and then it became a decade. So lets go back 8 years and see what the record shows.

2001/2002 61 wins- 21 losses. Hmmm, thats one of the eight years. Doesn't seem too bad.

2002/2003 59 wins- 23 losses. Can't complain too much there.

2003/2004 55 wins- 27 losses. Still pretty good

2004/2005 50 wins- 32 losses. A nine loss swing in the last 4 years, but still successful by most standards.

2005/2006 44 wins- 38 losses. Definitely starting to slide. Still made the playoffs, but headed in the wrong direction. Maloofs want Rick gone for personal reasons and being the owners, get their way.

First of all Prichard is their GM, not an assistant.
Second, please dont argue that the moves over those years were good, it will only make you look silly.

 

[bajaden]

First of all Prichard is their GM, not an assistant.
Second, please dont argue that the moves over those years were good, it will only make you look silly.

Sticks and Stones, sticks and stones. I've looked silly before in the eye's of people whose opinion I don't respect. I could care less. If you want to ignore all the good moves that Petrie made and only key in on the bad one's, have at it. I'm not going to get into a mud slinging contest with you, because obviously you've had more experience at it.

 

[Heuge]

Sticks and Stones, sticks and stones. I've looked silly before in the eye's of people whose opinion I don't respect. I could care less. If you want to ignore all the good moves that Petrie made and only key in on the bad one's, have at it. I'm not going to get into a mud slinging contest with you, because obviously you've had more experience at it.

You give records, but you fail to mention the moves he has actually done. A GM position is future oreinted. As one working towarsd the future his moves have been bad. It's really awful.
And no need to bring mudslinging into this. That would also be silly...

 

[bajaden]

You give records, but you fail to mention the moves he has actually done. A GM position is future oreinted. As one working towarsd the future his moves have been bad. It's really awful.
And no need to bring mudslinging into this. That would also be silly...

Look, its obvious that Management, whoever that was, I speculate that it was the Maloof's, tried to hang onto the glory years too long. I certainly agree that they waited too long. Some of Petrie's moves were predicated on that, so I don't think you can blame Petrie for perhaps going down the wrong road, if thats what ownership wanted. He is the GM, and you can blame him if you want. Your choice.

The only bad draft pick that he had was Douby. One can debate the Webber trade forever. We'll never know how it would have turned out if we kept him. But at the time, most people on this fourm thought that trading Webb was damm near impossible. The only advantage to keeping him was that we would have gotten out from under his contract a little earlier. The Bibby trade was necessary for rebuilding and I have no problem with it. Its easy to say we should have gotten more for Webb or Bibby or whoever, but I doubt Petrie sits around and says, that deal is way too good, I'm waiting for a worse one.

I'm not saying that Petrie is the best GM in the league, but he's certainly one of the better one's. I will admit that he frustrates me at times. I'm just like everyone else. I want results, and now. Thats the emotional part of me. The realistic part of me knows that patience is necessary. He did build this team into one of the top contenders. I think he deserves credit for that, and that it at least buys him the time to try again.

This is an important off-season. Lets see if he's more proactive than in the past few years. In the meantime, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

You give records, but you fail to mention the moves he has actually done. A GM position is future oreinted. As one working towarsd the future his moves have been bad. It's really awful.
And no need to bring mudslinging into this. That would also be silly...

Yes and no. GMs need to plan for the future, but at a certain point you do try to win now. I am not absolving Petrie or the Maloofs from blame for holding on too long, but part of the reason why we have been handcuffed is that we paid above market value to keep Webber, Bibby and get Miller. At the time, those were all good moves, meant to increase our odds of winning a ring when we had the window. It stinks not being able to move those contracts when all three of those players got hurt and stopped trying, but Geoff was absolutley right trying to win it all even at the expense of the future.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Look, its obvious that Management, whoever that was, I speculate that it was the Maloof's, tried to hang onto the glory years too long. I certainly agree that they waited too long. Some of Petrie's moves were predicated on that, so I don't think you can blame Petrie for perhaps going down the wrong road, if thats what ownership wanted. He is the GM, and you can blame him if you want. Your choice.

The only bad draft pick that he had was Douby. One can debate the Webber trade forever. We'll never know how it would have turned out if we kept him. But at the time, most people on this fourm thought that trading Webb was damm near impossible. The only advantage to keeping him was that we would have gotten out from under his contract a little earlier. The Bibby trade was necessary for rebuilding and I have no problem with it. Its easy to say we should have gotten more for Webb or Bibby or whoever, but I doubt Petrie sits around and says, that deal is way too good, I'm waiting for a worse one.

I'm not saying that Petrie is the best GM in the league, but he's certainly one of the better one's. I will admit that he frustrates me at times. I'm just like everyone else. I want results, and now. Thats the emotional part of me. The realistic part of me knows that patience is necessary. He did build this team into one of the top contenders. I think he deserves credit for that, and that it at least buys him the time to try again.

This is an important off-season. Lets see if he's more proactive than in the past few years. In the meantime, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Agree 100%. Well said.