Who Should We Sign? (2023 Off-Season)
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I still stand by my message above and would not do this deal since...
Pascal Siakam
OG Anunoby
for
Kevin Huerter
Richaun Holmes
Keegan Murray
Davion Mitchell
PJ Dozier
Kessler Edwards
2023 SAC 1st
2025-27 SAC 1st Pick Swap (Unprotected)
2026-28 SAC 1st Pick (Unprotected)
2027-29 SAC 1st Pick Swap (Unprotected)
2028-30 SAC 1st Pick (Unprotected)
PG - Mitchell / Flynn
SG - Huerter / Wisekamp / Dozier
SF - Murray / Edwards / Porter
PF - Barnes / Boucher / Young
C - Koloko / Achiuwa / Holmes
2023 Picks - TOR 1st / SAC 1st
PG - Fox / Monk
SG - Anunoby / Davis
SF - Barnes
PF - Siakam / Lyles
C - Sabonis
2023 Picks - IND 2nd / SAC 2nd
That would certainly be an interesting team. We'd have 3 legit star talents and Sabonis could be moved into a more natural "3rd option/facilitator" role. Anunoby & Siakam would really help improve our defense and length and really bolster our ability to rebound. Anunoby, Barnes, and Siakam is a lot of size, strength, and length at 2-4 while we'd still have adequate shooting/spacing (although the spacing is what concerns me the most about a team like this).
- Anunoby, Siakam, and/or Sabonis could all walk after next season
- I still question the fit of a Fox, Siakam, & Sabonis core since they are all best at operating in the paint/midrange
- We'd likely have to have a massive payroll after resigning Monk, Barnes, Anunoby, Siakam, and Sabonis
Pascal Siakam
OG Anunoby
for
Kevin Huerter
Richaun Holmes
Keegan Murray
Davion Mitchell
PJ Dozier
Kessler Edwards
2023 SAC 1st
2025-27 SAC 1st Pick Swap (Unprotected)
2026-28 SAC 1st Pick (Unprotected)
2027-29 SAC 1st Pick Swap (Unprotected)
2028-30 SAC 1st Pick (Unprotected)
PG - Mitchell / Flynn
SG - Huerter / Wisekamp / Dozier
SF - Murray / Edwards / Porter
PF - Barnes / Boucher / Young
C - Koloko / Achiuwa / Holmes
2023 Picks - TOR 1st / SAC 1st
PG - Fox / Monk
SG - Anunoby / Davis
SF - Barnes
PF - Siakam / Lyles
C - Sabonis
2023 Picks - IND 2nd / SAC 2nd
That would certainly be an interesting team. We'd have 3 legit star talents and Sabonis could be moved into a more natural "3rd option/facilitator" role. Anunoby & Siakam would really help improve our defense and length and really bolster our ability to rebound. Anunoby, Barnes, and Siakam is a lot of size, strength, and length at 2-4 while we'd still have adequate shooting/spacing (although the spacing is what concerns me the most about a team like this).
I think it might take a 1st round pick for him, but I’m not sure how I feel about Collins. He’s a reclamation project. Almost all of his big stats came when the Hawks were terrible and playing lotto odds. His 21.6ppg was also a bit of a fluke. It was a really small sample size of only 41 games because he was suspended at the start of the season for PEDs. They only won 20 games that year too. He had 2 years of straight decline before Dejounte ever stepped foot for the Hawks.
His shooting is a big cause for concern. He had a finger injury and apparently last off season, the doctors told him his finger was going to be permanently like that.. and now his 3pt shooting has been down to 29.2%.
Collins is a role player at best.. I think I'm fine passing on him.
His shooting is a big cause for concern. He had a finger injury and apparently last off season, the doctors told him his finger was going to be permanently like that.. and now his 3pt shooting has been down to 29.2%.
Collins is a role player at best.. I think I'm fine passing on him.
That is a nice suggestion. Keita Bates-Diop can add depth at the SF position at a reasonable price, especially if the Kings FO is able to nab Cam Johnson.
The FO still have to figure out what to do with Richaun Holmes... but they could round out the team with draft picks. Like GG Jackson with the #24 pick (Tankathon currently has him between #21-28). I also like Max Christie, who the Lakers got in the 2nd round last year. Rob Pelinka has a knack for finding good players like this. Christie is an SG who can play a little at SF, and could become as impactful as Austin Reaves in a year or two. So I think the FO should see if the Lakers are willing to trade him for the #38 pick? Then perhaps, buy another 2nd round pick off Charlotte or OKC to try out Zach Edey?
G: Fox, Davion
G: Huerter, Monk, Christie
F: Murray, KBD, Edwards
F: Johnson, Lyles, Jackson
C: Sabonis, Len, Edey
The FO still have to figure out what to do with Richaun Holmes... but they could round out the team with draft picks. Like GG Jackson with the #24 pick (Tankathon currently has him between #21-28). I also like Max Christie, who the Lakers got in the 2nd round last year. Rob Pelinka has a knack for finding good players like this. Christie is an SG who can play a little at SF, and could become as impactful as Austin Reaves in a year or two. So I think the FO should see if the Lakers are willing to trade him for the #38 pick? Then perhaps, buy another 2nd round pick off Charlotte or OKC to try out Zach Edey?
G: Fox, Davion
G: Huerter, Monk, Christie
F: Murray, KBD, Edwards
F: Johnson, Lyles, Jackson
C: Sabonis, Len, Edey
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I hate the idea that we would have to get rid of Barnes. He's always been a really steady player and rarely injured. He's probably one of the best 4th scoring option in the NBA.
OK so this is the "do NOT touch" list that I have.
1. Fox (obviously.. The guy is playing lights out even in high stress games like the playoffs. He does NOT choke under Pressure).
2. Sabonis (obviously)
3. Murray ..... I see Peja in him and a long term 2nd or 3rd scoring option).
4. Huerter
5. Barnes
6. Monk
7. Lyles
8. Mitchell (at least for one more year)
If I had to rank from 1-10 (ten being the guy you definitely want to keep), I would rank our players this way;
1. Fox 10/10
2. Sabonis 10/10
3. Murray 8/10
4. Huerter 7.5/10
5. Barnes 7/10
6. Monk 8.5/10
7. Lyles 7.5/10
8. Mitchell 6.5/10
9. Davis 4/10
10. Holmes 3.5/10
All the rest of the bench are 1 to 3 out of 10 at best, meaning expendable. I would actually trade anything lower than an 8 if we got a great deal.
OK so this is the "do NOT touch" list that I have.
1. Fox (obviously.. The guy is playing lights out even in high stress games like the playoffs. He does NOT choke under Pressure).
2. Sabonis (obviously)
3. Murray ..... I see Peja in him and a long term 2nd or 3rd scoring option).
4. Huerter
5. Barnes
6. Monk
7. Lyles
8. Mitchell (at least for one more year)
If I had to rank from 1-10 (ten being the guy you definitely want to keep), I would rank our players this way;
1. Fox 10/10
2. Sabonis 10/10
3. Murray 8/10
4. Huerter 7.5/10
5. Barnes 7/10
6. Monk 8.5/10
7. Lyles 7.5/10
8. Mitchell 6.5/10
9. Davis 4/10
10. Holmes 3.5/10
All the rest of the bench are 1 to 3 out of 10 at best, meaning expendable. I would actually trade anything lower than an 8 if we got a great deal.
I would agree that Barnes is not easily replaced. Vet who is 30 with good switchability between 3/4, can spot up from 3 and create contact going to the basket and rebounds. I'm not totally sure whats not to like.
I would Score Mitchell higher. Any player with that kind of defensive ability can't be taken too lightly, especially since we drafted him. For an opponent to game plan for Fox, only to have to face Mitchell's ball pressure as soon as Fox sits down, must be excruciating. I'd give him an 8.5. I would also put Lyles a little higher as I think he is coming into his own with us, provides an excellent scoring punch and spacing off the bench, and is not easily replaceable. I'd probably give him an 8. I'd also put Murray at a 9, hes too good of a shooter and we get to develop him with a good coaching staff.
I would Score Mitchell higher. Any player with that kind of defensive ability can't be taken too lightly, especially since we drafted him. For an opponent to game plan for Fox, only to have to face Mitchell's ball pressure as soon as Fox sits down, must be excruciating. I'd give him an 8.5. I would also put Lyles a little higher as I think he is coming into his own with us, provides an excellent scoring punch and spacing off the bench, and is not easily replaceable. I'd probably give him an 8. I'd also put Murray at a 9, hes too good of a shooter and we get to develop him with a good coaching staff.
We'll have more time to dive into this after the playoffs, but Keegan 45 minutes and Barnes 14 minutes could be a real sign of the changing of the guard (or I suppose forward is the more apt term). HB been bad this series, but I've never seen Brown just straight up bench him like he did last game. Was stunning to see him not get back on the floor after his 1st rotation in both halves. Season on the line, Brown went to the rookie and HB's back-up to go win us the game.
Could make it a real easy decision for Monte if Brown thinks we should move on, or use that slot to go get an upgrade defensively. And honestly, his spot in the starting lineup is really the only one you should really think about replacing:
Fox: Lol
Huerter: Young, signed long-term to a great contract, elite shooter, elite offensive fit with 2 stars
Keegan: Prized rookie, elite shooter, elite offensive fit with 2 stars
Domas: Lol
If we approach this from a team construction stand-point, the 5th guy should be the defensive lynchpin of the starting unit to bring everything together. You have everything else; shooting, playmaking, scoring. And off the bench we certainly have the firepower with Monk and Lyles as elite bench offensive weapons.
And the theory of HB is great...when he's fully engaged in using his full skill-set. He was awesome in that 3rd quarter of game 5 getting to the FT line and being aggressive. Really kept the team afloat to even have a chance to come back and win. But where the hell has that been the other 23 quarters of this series?
idk, I've flipped on the HB decision like 7 times over the course of the season. Really does feel like a pivotal decision in terms of what direction we take the team long-term.
Could make it a real easy decision for Monte if Brown thinks we should move on, or use that slot to go get an upgrade defensively. And honestly, his spot in the starting lineup is really the only one you should really think about replacing:
Fox: Lol
Huerter: Young, signed long-term to a great contract, elite shooter, elite offensive fit with 2 stars
Keegan: Prized rookie, elite shooter, elite offensive fit with 2 stars
Domas: Lol
If we approach this from a team construction stand-point, the 5th guy should be the defensive lynchpin of the starting unit to bring everything together. You have everything else; shooting, playmaking, scoring. And off the bench we certainly have the firepower with Monk and Lyles as elite bench offensive weapons.
And the theory of HB is great...when he's fully engaged in using his full skill-set. He was awesome in that 3rd quarter of game 5 getting to the FT line and being aggressive. Really kept the team afloat to even have a chance to come back and win. But where the hell has that been the other 23 quarters of this series?
idk, I've flipped on the HB decision like 7 times over the course of the season. Really does feel like a pivotal decision in terms of what direction we take the team long-term.
With another disappointing playoff run with a new team would the Kings trade for Donavan Mitchell and go all in next season? The Kings would most likely give up 2 picks + Huerter or Monk along with Murray. Would a Fox/Mitchell backcourt work (apparently Garland and Mitchell did not work but I did not watch any Cavs this year). He would give the Kings a clear #2 option and form a insanely athletic/explosive backcourt to go with a #3 elite passing option in Sabonis. Getting two athletic 3 and D SF/PF shouldn't be that difficult imo.
Seeing the damage Monk/Fox have caused in the playoffs I do wonder how Mitchell without the pressure of having to be a #1 and carry the offense would go.
Seeing the damage Monk/Fox have caused in the playoffs I do wonder how Mitchell without the pressure of having to be a #1 and carry the offense would go.
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What about Porzingis? He has a player option and might decline it. His health is always going to be a concern, but he's back to his NYK self.
Here's his stats through 65 games:
23.2pts 8.4rebs 1.5blks 0.9stls on 49.8/38.5/85.1
He'd also give us a "just in case Keegan isn't ready to take over as the 3rd scoring option"
Here's his stats through 65 games:
23.2pts 8.4rebs 1.5blks 0.9stls on 49.8/38.5/85.1
He'd also give us a "just in case Keegan isn't ready to take over as the 3rd scoring option"
Yeah, I don't think we need to change our identity here, we need to find a way to improve the defense and control the boards without giving up what makes our offense so potent. Sabonis and Lyles have both been great at the 5 position but we lose when our shots aren't falling and/or bouncy forwards jump all over us in the post. I don't think moving Domas off the C position is the answer. We need more length and athleticism at the wing/forward positions.
