where would you rank tyreke
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John Galt
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I think comparing Evans with the other draftees of the decade at this point ( 30 games into the season ), no one can deny Tyreke Evans the ranking as high as TOP THREE.
First, as pointed out only Lebron James rookie stat is better than Evans. That tells you that compared to the other rookies of this decade, stat-wise our rooky Evans is already performing better than anyone out there not named Lebron.
Second, impact-wise it is apparent Evans probably is comparable with the best rooky in this decade. The complete turn around of the team from being the worst to a team not that far from being a playoff contending team is a very clear testament. Especially true if you'll consider his clutch plays, and again his stats.
Third, being a rooky and one of only four active players playing with an awesome stat of 20/5/5 tells you Evans is a once in a blue moon kind of player who can just get better as he puts more experience in his belt. Your very own Evans in his rookie year is performing like the seasoned Superstars named Lebron, Kobe, and Wade at this point in time. You Evans deniers and haters better wake-up to reality if you cannot swallow this fact.
Now, to those people who are professing to be Kings fans, and yet who still deny Evans' accomplishments as AWESOME and worth considering on the TOP THREE ROOKIE performance of this decade - I consider as either not too knowledgeable about the NBA, or Evans haters.
We drafted a 19 year-old player who performs better than the rest of the rookies from this decade, and actually performing like the phenomenal player Lebron James in his rookie year ( stat-wise ). Actually, you can argue that Lebron is only better than Evans because of media over-hyping. Stat-wise and impact-wise, they are very similar.
Please do not deny the fans from enjoying Evans by dicounting the above mentioned reasons and by distorting REALITY.
Woah...You don't have to be an Evans hater to advocate just a smidge of moderation when it comes to annointing him as a cross between Lebron and Wade just quite yet. This is not Evans-hate. It is possible to be really excited... to even proclaim him the gem of the draft and the cornerstone for the Kings future - without going quite that far (until he has a season under his belt).
It almost sounds as if people will be disappointed if he ends up the exact same caliber player as Chris Paul, Danny Granger or Deron Williams? That is not being fair to Tyreke.
Looking at the rookie years, I find Evans in mids of... todays superstars.
Lebron, Carmelo, Gasol, Howard, Durant, Paul, and among these only Lebron is signifilcaly better (again, based only on respective rookie year) and with Carmelo having a slight edge.
That is quite a company to hang with.
Saying that it is totally unfair to compare these players (or any other star player) to Tyreke and saying that Tyreke is better. I do not want to jinx anything, but Tyreke may remain stagnant, be injury prone and all in all accomplish nothing worth mentioning in the next couple of years.
But if he does reach his potential (I don't even dare to speculate where or what that might be), Kings Fans will be very happy for many, many years.
My name is Greg and I am a Kings fan.
Lebron, Carmelo, Gasol, Howard, Durant, Paul, and among these only Lebron is signifilcaly better (again, based only on respective rookie year) and with Carmelo having a slight edge.
That is quite a company to hang with.
Saying that it is totally unfair to compare these players (or any other star player) to Tyreke and saying that Tyreke is better. I do not want to jinx anything, but Tyreke may remain stagnant, be injury prone and all in all accomplish nothing worth mentioning in the next couple of years.
But if he does reach his potential (I don't even dare to speculate where or what that might be), Kings Fans will be very happy for many, many years.
My name is Greg and I am a Kings fan.
If he winds up that caliber player he'd be considered to be second only to MJ in many a Kings fan's eye.
While I think that any kind of ranking is premature it seems pretty clear that there are one or two people with a clear axe to grind who will always find one nit to pick. Tyreke has the potential to be a top 10 player in the league. He has the potential to be the most exciting player we've seen in Sacramento. Let's just enjoy the ride.
bibbinator
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Evans: Best Active Player or Best Player Ever?
Tyreke Evans, he's great, incredible, amazing, etc., and so on, obviously the best active player in the NBA. But we need to get to the bottom of the more important question: is he the best NBA player of all time? And, is it even possible for a better player to ever exist?
Tyreke Evans, he's great, incredible, amazing, etc., and so on, obviously the best active player in the NBA. But we need to get to the bottom of the more important question: is he the best NBA player of all time? And, is it even possible for a better player to ever exist?
DocHolliday
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okay...
Won 4 Catalan Championships: (2005, 2007, 2008, 2009)
Won the FIBA EuroCup Championship: (2006)
Led the Spanish ACB League in steals: (2007, 2009)
Won the Spanish ACB League Rising Star Award: (2007)
2× FIBA European Young Player of the Year: (2007, 2008)
Won the Spanish King's Cup: (2008)
Won the ULEB Cup Championship: (2008)
All-Spanish ACB League Team: (2008)
Voted the Spanish ACB League's Best Point Guard: (2008)
Mr. Europa European Player of the Year: (2008)
Spanish ACB League Defensive Player of the Year: (2009)
Catalan League MVP: (2009)
FIBA Europe Under-16 Championship: Bronze Medal (2005)
FIBA Europe Under-16 Championship: Gold Medal (2006)
FIBA Europe Under-16 Championship: MVP (2006)
2008 Olympics Basketball Tournament: Silver Medal
2009 FIBA European Championship: Gold Medal
not too shabby for a 19 year old guy that hasnt played a nba game...
And none of those have the acronym NBA on them, which means all of those awards mean absolutely squat in this conversation. NEXT!
Where's Stephen Colbert when you need him?
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AriesMar27
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Do you know where LA gets its water?
thats why we filter it and add chemicals to make it safe to drink. thats also why tap water tastes so awful.
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AriesMar27
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im not eurpean and im insulted by that(okay not insulted but still)... i respect his overseas accomplishments as more than i respect american players college records. its still professional basketball. the same thing goes for all foreign players, pau, dirk, peja, vlade, all of them...
LilMissDiva
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I'm not really sure where I'd place him yet, but I'm starting to think we might have the Rookie of the Year if he keeps playing the way he is.
ElRey
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I hear this defense of Rubio's game a lot by pointing to Brandon Jennings' experience in Europe. But people fail to recognize that Jennings game is much more suited for the NBA than Europe, which is why he struggled in Europe. It's a different game. NBA game is based on athleticism, exposing weaknesses by isolation plays. European game is more team oriented and players are better shooters. You can forget what Rubio is doing in Europe. Just ask yourself: does Rubio have the athletic ability to play in the NBA? How confident are you that Rubio can guard any point guard in the NBA? How confident are you in Rubio when the other team runs isolation plays all game long with their PG against Mr. Rubio?
I'm not sure if Rubio will EVER play in the NBA.
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Kingsguy881
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Saying Ricky Rubio and Blake Griffin are better than Evans would require some proof. You have nothing. Nothing. Thats like saying that Shaun Livingston is a perennial all star and Jay Williams is a top 5 point guard, based on the potential they showed in college. Insanity.
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Insanity is only seen by others, not by the insane one.
Obviously. Especially in his case.
OptimusRhyme
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People are right reke needs to complete a season before we can start comparing him to previous rookies.
When i look at reke its not just the stats that he puts up that is great, i meen stats are fine but they dont tell anything close to the whole story.
Reke brings something else. He really is a leader and you can feel his presence when hes out there, and you can see that his teammates have the ultimate trust in Reke and they feed off of his presence.
I have never seen a rookie that has taken a team and put it on his back and succeeded like Reke has so far.
Even when he has a bad game he can still win games for us. I just cant say enough about the guy.
But kinda back to the topic, Reke performance so far this year is better then any rookie I have seen since Lebron. And even in Lebrons rookie season i dont remember him hitting as many game winners and making as many clutch plays as reke has so far. and the scary thing about that is were only done 1/3 of the season. How many more games will this kid win for us in the last two minutes of play? hes unbelievabley clutch.
When i look at reke its not just the stats that he puts up that is great, i meen stats are fine but they dont tell anything close to the whole story.
Reke brings something else. He really is a leader and you can feel his presence when hes out there, and you can see that his teammates have the ultimate trust in Reke and they feed off of his presence.
I have never seen a rookie that has taken a team and put it on his back and succeeded like Reke has so far.
Even when he has a bad game he can still win games for us. I just cant say enough about the guy.
But kinda back to the topic, Reke performance so far this year is better then any rookie I have seen since Lebron. And even in Lebrons rookie season i dont remember him hitting as many game winners and making as many clutch plays as reke has so far. and the scary thing about that is were only done 1/3 of the season. How many more games will this kid win for us in the last two minutes of play? hes unbelievabley clutch.
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Kingster
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It's impossible to say where he ranks because we haven't played enough games.
Lately, he's been very instrumental in winning three games - Wizards, Bucks, Bulls. He won the Wizards game by his defense, and should have won the Bucks and Bulls games because of defensive plays. That, to me, is more remarkable than his shot making in those games. I've never seen that type of defensive play from a rookie guard. NEVER.
Lately, he's been very instrumental in winning three games - Wizards, Bucks, Bulls. He won the Wizards game by his defense, and should have won the Bucks and Bulls games because of defensive plays. That, to me, is more remarkable than his shot making in those games. I've never seen that type of defensive play from a rookie guard. NEVER.
Bricklayer
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Look, if he keeps this pace up the rest of the season, he is one of the Top 5 rookies of the last decade. Once upon a time when kids actually used to go to shcool for 4 years rookies came out at 22 and could be firing right from day 1. But since the dawn of the diaper brigade NOBODY puts up these kind of numbers. Basically in the last 10 years Reke and LeBron, and LeBron shot like crap and played bad defense to boot.
Now if the question is where is he going to end up vs. the other players, well there are basically trhree possibilities at this point, assuming no career changing injury
1) 22 5 and 5 guy. Joe Johnson, Brandon Roy. Its virtually impossible he turns out to be anything less than that. He's 20. The second youngest player in the league. And he's already averaging those numbers. If he is the first 20 year old in history to never improve a lick he's this.
2) 25 6 and 6 guy. Pierce or Mcgrady in their primes. One could argue his lack of hops will relegate him to this level, but given that he has every other atheltic ability in spades -- size, speed, strength, incredible reach etc. -- its hardly guaranteed.
3) 28 7 and 7 guy. Wade, LeBron, Kobe.
Take your pick.
Now if the question is where is he going to end up vs. the other players, well there are basically trhree possibilities at this point, assuming no career changing injury
1) 22 5 and 5 guy. Joe Johnson, Brandon Roy. Its virtually impossible he turns out to be anything less than that. He's 20. The second youngest player in the league. And he's already averaging those numbers. If he is the first 20 year old in history to never improve a lick he's this.
2) 25 6 and 6 guy. Pierce or Mcgrady in their primes. One could argue his lack of hops will relegate him to this level, but given that he has every other atheltic ability in spades -- size, speed, strength, incredible reach etc. -- its hardly guaranteed.
3) 28 7 and 7 guy. Wade, LeBron, Kobe.
Take your pick.
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Kingsguy881
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Shaun Livingston didn't show any potential in college...he didn't even go!
Thats the point! Kinda
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Kingsguy881
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I'm just glad we drafted Evans instead of the next Bobby Hurley.
OptimusRhyme
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I'll put money on this one FOR SURE. Hes just too young and has so many things he can improve(Jumper,Left hand) that when he does he will be at that level. With Martin on his team I dunno if hes going to Average 25 but I'm pretty sure it could be like 22-24 PPG and 8 Asts. but who knows with this kid.
As for option 3.. It will take alot of work to get there but its not out of the question.
and as for his athleticism. Me personally I think he is very athletic. The way he shifts directions on the drive with changes of speed is incredible. Not alot of players have body control like him. It seems like he has a very low centre of gravity but with that like you said he is extremly quick and strong. Hes like a bull. People may not like this comparison.. but body wise he reminds me of a quicker Artest athletically. Which is the perfect form of athleticism to be a superior defender in the league.
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And here are the numbers from each person's first year in the league and how they stack up to Tyreke:
PTS REB AST ST BLK TO FG%
LBJ 20.9 /5.5/ 5.9/ 1.7/ 0.7/ 3.5 /41.7
Wade 16.9/ 4.1/ 4.5/ 1.4/ 0.6/ 3.2/46.5
Yao 13.5/ 8.2/ 1.7/ 0.4/ 1.8/ 2.1/49.8
Pau 17.6/ 8.9/ 2.7/ 0.5/ 2.1/ 2.7/51.8
CP3 16.1/ 5.1/ 7.8/ 2.2/ 0.1/ 2.4/43.0
DHow 12.0/ 10.0/ 0.9/ 0.9/ 1.7/ 2.0/52.0
KD 20.3/ 4.4/ 2.4/ 1.0/ 0.9/ 2.9/43.0
Roy 16.8/ 4.4/ 4.0/ 1.2/ 0.2/ 2.0/45.6
Ricky Rubio 00000000000000000000000 (These two killed your argument
Blake Griffin 0000000000000000000000 and made you look stupid)
Agt 0 10.9/ 2.8/ 3.7/ 1.5/ 0.2/ 2.1/45.3
JJ 6.3/ 2.9/ 1.5/ 0.7/ 0.2/ 0.6/43.9
Amare13.5/ 8.8/ 1.0/ 0.8/ 1.1/ 2.3/47.2
Booze10.0/ 7.5/ 1.3/ 0.7/ 0.6/ 1.3/53.6
Al Jeff 6.7/ 4.4/ 0.3/ 0.3/ 0.8/ 0.9/52.9
Rondo 6.4/ 3.7/ 3.8/ 1.6/ 0.1/ 1.8/41.6
Oden 8.9/ 7.0/ 0.5/ 0.4/ 1.1/ 1.4/56.4
Rose 16.8/ 3.9/ 6.3/ 0.8/ 0.2/ 2.5/47.5
Mayo 18.5/ 3.8/ 3.2/ 1.1/ 0.2/ 2.8/43.8
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ForlornKing
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time to put AM on the ignore list folks...
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Kingsguy881
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So in all honesty, the only players to put up #'s as good or almost as good as Reke is are CP3, LBJ, and Durant with Wade close behind as well as Pau, but not quite on the same level of overall dominance. So what is that, top 3-4 of your list? Pathetic. How do you ignore someone?
Go to your User CP. Under Settings & Options, look for "Edit your ignore list"...
Arby's Roast Beef
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Reke's upside is stellar to the point where he'll be close to 28-7-7 numbers in his peak. A large part of this is his implementation of his athleticism offensively--few point guards will even penetrate at the rate he does, much less get to the line at will--he does both of them extremely well. It's hard to emphasize how unique this ability is, especially with his age. He doesn't dunk much, but he's a layup machine, and gets to the rim even when defenders play a step off him daring him to take the jumpshot. At 20 years old he's already at the elite level in terms of finishing in the NBA, a testament to his natural slashing instincts and physical tools. His major selling point is really his slashing ability, and it really explains, in large part, why he's able to muster 20 points per game almost effortlessly. Whereas your jumper comes and goes (see: Brandon Jennings), slashing doesn't. Slashes and basket play alone are enough to make him a 20-5-5 player.
Reke doesn't take too jumpers at all, and probably at some point he's going to have to take more to reach the next level, but early returns have been very good. I don't think he'll ever develop into a natural three point shooter because he just doesn't take much and his shot mechanics might be enough of a hindrance, but most of his threes this season have been taken off the dribble so I'm curious to see how he'll be if he can just spot up from here. His mid-range game actually looks extremely extremely good--he takes virtually all of his mid-range J's off the dribble and he nails them at an excellent clip--I'm really really intrigued about his abilities here, actually. His good numbers are further reinforced by his high sample space of free throws, which he hits at 77.3%. Continues the prevailing theme that he's just a natural creator for himself, a natural lead guard. He pretty much already plays mid-range in offensively, but I think that as he expresses more of his mid-range game he can take it to 25-6-6. Considering that he already is an excellent mid-range shooter off the dribble, and with the natural increase in usage rate, he doesn't need to improve much--this could easily come next season.
28-7-7 can therefore come in different ways: 1) increase in threes (highly unlikely given his natural slashing preferences/gifts), 2) increase in scoring efficiency and increase in passing ability. Let's focus on 2)--as stated above, he's already efficient in slashing and shooting mid-rangers, so he's quite efficient as is. But the passing ability necessary to optimize his offensive game even further is still a bit of a question mark. I'm not completely sold he's a natural passer yet--he's good at spotting open three point shooters up top and is decent at giving the ball to our mid-range shooters, but he's somewhat lacking in giving our bigs easy baskets around the rim. Granted Hawes prefers to linger in the perimeter, Thompson's finishing ability is questionable so maybe all we need is a better finishing big man, but for now it's a valid question. But given his ability to get to the rim in the first place, it can be easily developed, given that he's already unselfish for a rookie. So with this second option--the increase in scoring efficiency/passing ability--I really, really think he'll hit these numbers, barring any unforeseen circumstances of course.
Reke doesn't take too jumpers at all, and probably at some point he's going to have to take more to reach the next level, but early returns have been very good. I don't think he'll ever develop into a natural three point shooter because he just doesn't take much and his shot mechanics might be enough of a hindrance, but most of his threes this season have been taken off the dribble so I'm curious to see how he'll be if he can just spot up from here. His mid-range game actually looks extremely extremely good--he takes virtually all of his mid-range J's off the dribble and he nails them at an excellent clip--I'm really really intrigued about his abilities here, actually. His good numbers are further reinforced by his high sample space of free throws, which he hits at 77.3%. Continues the prevailing theme that he's just a natural creator for himself, a natural lead guard. He pretty much already plays mid-range in offensively, but I think that as he expresses more of his mid-range game he can take it to 25-6-6. Considering that he already is an excellent mid-range shooter off the dribble, and with the natural increase in usage rate, he doesn't need to improve much--this could easily come next season.
28-7-7 can therefore come in different ways: 1) increase in threes (highly unlikely given his natural slashing preferences/gifts), 2) increase in scoring efficiency and increase in passing ability. Let's focus on 2)--as stated above, he's already efficient in slashing and shooting mid-rangers, so he's quite efficient as is. But the passing ability necessary to optimize his offensive game even further is still a bit of a question mark. I'm not completely sold he's a natural passer yet--he's good at spotting open three point shooters up top and is decent at giving the ball to our mid-range shooters, but he's somewhat lacking in giving our bigs easy baskets around the rim. Granted Hawes prefers to linger in the perimeter, Thompson's finishing ability is questionable so maybe all we need is a better finishing big man, but for now it's a valid question. But given his ability to get to the rim in the first place, it can be easily developed, given that he's already unselfish for a rookie. So with this second option--the increase in scoring efficiency/passing ability--I really, really think he'll hit these numbers, barring any unforeseen circumstances of course.
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Did you read my post?
If you read it carefully, you'll find out in the very first paragraph ( which is the openning paragraph and my point ) that I am talking about Evans' accomplishments upto this point of the NBA season ( or going 30 games of this season). People are comparing Evans to the other greats based on what Evans has done so far in the NBA, and ONLY up to this point in time. That is plain common sense, since the season is not even half done.
Can't you guys not really fathom how hard it is to put up the kind of numbers Evans is putting right now in his rookie season?
Stat-wise, the Kid is currently performing at the level of Lebron, Wade, and Kobe Bryant! And he does it in a very quiet way and in his ROOKIE YEAR!
at this point ( 30 games into the season ), no one can deny Tyreke Evans the ranking as high as TOP THREE.
First, as pointed out only Lebron James rookie stat is better than Evans'. That tells you that compared to the other rookies of this decade, stat-wise our rooky Evans is already performing better than anyone out there not named Lebron.
Second, impact-wise it is apparent Evans probably is comparable with the best rooky in this decade. The complete turn around of the team from being the worst to a team not that far from being a playoff contending team is a very clear testament. Especially true if you'll consider his clutch plays, and again his stats.
Third, being a rooky and one of only four active players playing with an awesome stat of 20/5/5 tells you Evans is a once in a blue moon kind of player who can just get better as he puts more experience in his belt. Your very own Evans in his rookie year is performing like the seasoned Superstars named Lebron, Kobe, and Wade at this point in time. You Evans deniers and haters better wake-up to reality if you cannot swallow this fact.
Now, to those people who are professing to be Kings fans, and yet who still deny Evans' accomplishments as AWESOME and worth considering on the TOP THREE ROOKIE performance of this decade - I consider as either not too knowledgeable about the NBA, or Evans haters.
We drafted a 19 year-old player who performs better than the rest of the rookies from this decade, and actually performing like the phenomenal player Lebron James in his rookie year ( stat-wise ). Actually, you can argue that Lebron is only better than Evans because of media over-hyping. Stat-wise and impact-wise, they are very similar.
Please do not deny the fans from enjoying Evans by dicounting the above mentioned reasons and by distorting REALITY.
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