What Realistically can be done to improve?
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Give me your best shot: where would Pervis Ellison be drafted in this up coming draft? Or Joe Kleine? 
It's not a silly question as I think it will give a clearer view of what this upcoming draft is like.
It's not a silly question as I think it will give a clearer view of what this upcoming draft is like.
Give me your best shot: where would Pervis Ellison be drafted in this up coming draft? Or Joe Kleine? It's not a silly question as I think it will give a clearer view of what this upcoming draft is like.
It's not a silly question as I think it will give a clearer view of what this upcoming draft is like.
I don't know when he would have been picked this year. I think he was a senior so the comparison to this year would be difficult. Anyway I would take a wild shot and say he might be drafted between 10-20 this year. He seemed like an athletic tall guy although I think only 6'9". Maybe he would have gone higher but let's remember he finished his senior year and we are comparing him to guys who will play one year and that's it.
He isn't remembered because he really didn't play here and never became a star in the NBA. And that was the NBA's #1 pick for us. Poof! This year will be very different. The #1 pick could very well be a top 25 of all time. That's a huge guess as a lot will happen in the next 15 or so years.
We.Are.Due!!
I think most people would say that Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, and Dwayne Wade were all franchise changers. You personally may not like one of those players, but regardless, all three of those players had a serious impact on their franchise. One could even argue that Chris Bosh was an impact player for Toronto. And just so you know, I'm not advocating tanking, but because of the depth of his draft, I can at least find something to be optimistic about when we lose. So every time we play, I'm cheering for the team to win, right up until they don't. At that point, the idea of possibly drafting one of the top players in the coming draft makes the loss more palatable.
My personal reasons for watching these players is so that I don't have to rely on a bunch of air head pundits that don't know what their talking about. And, if necessary, to dispel any misinformation about a player. And believe me, there's quite a bit. I don't have a problem with you not being interested in college ball, or the draft until its almost draft time. And I know you frown on anyone that thinks we should tank the season. Well, with the talent we have, we don't have to intentionally tank anything. It will just be a natural process with our current talent level. To be honest, the worse possible thing we could do is just make the playoffs. What would it accomplish? We'd go out in the first round, and we'd lose our 1st round pick. We have little in the way of assets to trade for anything of value, and we have next to no capspace. Which means we would be looking at the exact same talent level next season as well. But we'd have our honor, and we could continue to b---h about management not doing anything to improve the team.
By the way, that 4th pick in the draft netted us Tyreke Evans. And the next year, the 5th pick in the draft netted us DeMarcus Cousins. Yes, I realize that we no longer have Evans, but that doesn't diminish his talent, or value. And Cousins is the best player on this team, and we got him through the draft. Unfortunately, after that, we had our head up our butts.
My personal reasons for watching these players is so that I don't have to rely on a bunch of air head pundits that don't know what their talking about. And, if necessary, to dispel any misinformation about a player. And believe me, there's quite a bit. I don't have a problem with you not being interested in college ball, or the draft until its almost draft time. And I know you frown on anyone that thinks we should tank the season. Well, with the talent we have, we don't have to intentionally tank anything. It will just be a natural process with our current talent level. To be honest, the worse possible thing we could do is just make the playoffs. What would it accomplish? We'd go out in the first round, and we'd lose our 1st round pick. We have little in the way of assets to trade for anything of value, and we have next to no capspace. Which means we would be looking at the exact same talent level next season as well. But we'd have our honor, and we could continue to b---h about management not doing anything to improve the team.
By the way, that 4th pick in the draft netted us Tyreke Evans. And the next year, the 5th pick in the draft netted us DeMarcus Cousins. Yes, I realize that we no longer have Evans, but that doesn't diminish his talent, or value. And Cousins is the best player on this team, and we got him through the draft. Unfortunately, after that, we had our head up our butts.
Maybe we should just answer this: move to the Eastern Conference.
A few ridiculous notes:
12 Western Conference teams have winning records, and 4 teams in the West have losing records. 2 of those 4 are in the playoff hunt. Only Sac and Utah are left out.
Only 3 Eastern Conference teams have winning records. THREE. One more has a .500 record. 11 teams have losing records. All 5 teams in the Atlantic division are sub-.500. Toronto is 6-9 and leading the division over 7-11 Boston and 6-11 Philly, who were supposed to be tanking, and 4-12 Brooklyn and 3-12 New York, who were not.
As a direct result of playing in the West the Kings have:
Played 12 games against +.500 opponents.
Played 2 games against sub.500 opponents (Brooklyn and Detroit).
Perhaps not surprisingly our 3 victories after the home opener were against Phoenix without their best player, and one of the sub .500 teams (Brooklyn). Put us in the Atlantic Division though and I think we have a chance to be the best team in the division and get homecourt in the first round of the playoffs. Literally.
A few ridiculous notes:
12 Western Conference teams have winning records, and 4 teams in the West have losing records. 2 of those 4 are in the playoff hunt. Only Sac and Utah are left out.
Only 3 Eastern Conference teams have winning records. THREE. One more has a .500 record. 11 teams have losing records. All 5 teams in the Atlantic division are sub-.500. Toronto is 6-9 and leading the division over 7-11 Boston and 6-11 Philly, who were supposed to be tanking, and 4-12 Brooklyn and 3-12 New York, who were not.
As a direct result of playing in the West the Kings have:
Played 12 games against +.500 opponents.
Played 2 games against sub.500 opponents (Brooklyn and Detroit).
Perhaps not surprisingly our 3 victories after the home opener were against Phoenix without their best player, and one of the sub .500 teams (Brooklyn). Put us in the Atlantic Division though and I think we have a chance to be the best team in the division and get homecourt in the first round of the playoffs. Literally.
With all due respect, bajaden, you often tend to have a lot to say for someone who can take another's opinion or leave it. One would think, in that circumstance, that the Reader's Digest version would work just as well.
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the same people who say they rather win 35 games now instead of drafting parker wiggins randle will be the same people jumping up and down in the crowd when one of those kids is a king and the kings are winning. reminds me of those silly warriors fans who booed the warriors for trading monta and tanking. the same people are now riding harrison barnes' jock and barnes is nowhere near the talent parker wiggins randle are.
those warriors were 2 games out of 8th place when they blew it up. now thats balls and vision.
those warriors were 2 games out of 8th place when they blew it up. now thats balls and vision.
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And that wasn't even a tank move. The constantly complained about being too small in the backcourt and not having a true center. With that move, they killed 2 birds with one stone. They got their center and it opened up a starting spot for 6'7" Thompson at the 2G spot. The fans booing Lacob apparently have short memories and don't remember how bad Cohan was as owner of the Warriors.
In 2003, there four fgranchise-changers. LeBron james compeletely changed Cleveland and made them title-contenders, Dwayne Wade helped lead his team to a title and kept them as a power without Shaq after that, Carmelo Anthony brought Denver back to being a force to be reckoned with and led New York to their first playoff win/Conference Semifinals appearance for a long time, and Chris Bosh lead his team to the playoffs, which they probably wouldn't sniff without him. Two/three superstars and one star from that draft. LeBron is a 9-time All-Star, Dwayne Wade is a 9-time All-Star, Bosh is an 8-time All-Star, and Carmelo is a 6-time All-Star. Now I don't know about you, but if I was a franchise that was struggling for years leading up to a draft with that kind of talent, I would do the best I can to prepare for the future (develop young talent/bring in players that can help change culture/trade players with no future here) and get a high pick in that kind of draft.
You cannot be serious. You think that Chris Bosh was a franchise-changer in Toronto? They made the playoffs twice in the seven years he was there, and never got out of the first round... hell, they went further than that, just two seasons before he got there: they were, literally, a missed jumper away from the Eastern Conference Finals in 2001, and they made it back to the playoffs in 2002, then Vince Carter got hurt, and they got Chris Bosh in 2003. And, during Bosh's first three years in Toronto, they didn't sniff the playoffs. Yeah, he sure changed the hell out of that franchise.
Carmelo Anthony's entire legacy is empty numbers. All of the pro-tanking people talk about going all-in for a guy who can help be the cornerstone of a championship contender, instead of trying to win now, and be a perennial "first round and out" team. Well, if your ambition is to be a FRAO team, then Anthony is definitely the man to call. If he's a franchise-changer, then I guess that Gilbert Arenas is, too. Brought Denver back to "being a force to be reckoned with"? That's rich. They were about as much a force to be reckoned with as the Atlanta Hawks, except the Hawks are actually good for at least two wins at home.
James and Wade were the only two "franchise changers" to come out of that draft. Now, Denver did sell a bunch of #15 jerseys when Anthony was playing there, so I guess they had that going for them, but it's an insult to even put him in the same conversation, let alone the same category.
Carmelo Anthony's entire legacy is empty numbers. All of the pro-tanking people talk about going all-in for a guy who can help be the cornerstone of a championship contender, instead of trying to win now, and be a perennial "first round and out" team. Well, if your ambition is to be a FRAO team, then Anthony is definitely the man to call. If he's a franchise-changer, then I guess that Gilbert Arenas is, too. Brought Denver back to "being a force to be reckoned with"? That's rich. They were about as much a force to be reckoned with as the Atlanta Hawks, except the Hawks are actually good for at least two wins at home.
James and Wade were the only two "franchise changers" to come out of that draft. Now, Denver did sell a bunch of #15 jerseys when Anthony was playing there, so I guess they had that going for them, but it's an insult to even put him in the same conversation, let alone the same category.
Yeah but how good was his supporting cast? Garbajosa, Bargnani, etc. but not good enough to help him a lot. Do yout think they'd have made the Play-Offs without Bosh? He made them a contender for the Play-Offs, not his fault they could not bring much help there in rterms of a supporting cast.
Carmelo is a pure all-star. Sure his defense is terrible, but he is a complete monster on offense with a plethora of ways to score. Teams have a hard time stopping him, plain and simple.
Carmelo is a pure all-star. Sure his defense is terrible, but he is a complete monster on offense with a plethora of ways to score. Teams have a hard time stopping him, plain and simple.
- You might want to double-check those rosters: Bosh played with many/most of the same players those first three years that Carter led to the second round. In fact, you could make the argument that he had a better squad, with the addition of Jalen Rose, and factor in the fact that he was playing with Vince Carter. Humorously enough, he didn't make the playoffs until he got Garbajosa and Bargnani.
- All-Star =/= franchise changer. If that were the standard, then you would also have to call Amar'e Stoudemire (who has the same number of All-Star appearances) a franchise changer, and nobody would call Amar'e Stoudemire a franchise changer.
I dunno, Bosh had a really good season in 06-07, he averaged 22/11 in the first half of that season and 22/10 in the second half along with being named to All-NBA Second Team that year.
But I agree, Stoudemire is not a franchise changer, maybe, just maybe, he could be considered before the surgury, but not now - not at all.
But I agree, Stoudemire is not a franchise changer, maybe, just maybe, he could be considered before the surgury, but not now - not at all.