What is Cousins' Value, Really?

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There is obvious disagreement on the board on whether Cousins should get traded or not. Those in the "don't trade him, he definitely should be in the core" camp often say, you wouldn't get much for him if you did try to trade him. That's one of their arguments for not trading him. That seems like contradiction to me. It's like saying you know the guy is valuable, but nobody else does; so therefore you're not going to get much for him. But I believe in the notion: If you're thinking it, someone else is probably thinking the same thing. It's the very rare individual that has the monopoly on the truth of anything. In other words, there is a very good chance there are GMs out there that value Cousins just as highly as Brick, Padrino, baja, et. al. There are also probably GMs out there like me that wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. So if Brick is the GM of Houston and Padrino is the GM of Orlando and baja is the GM of Toronto, etc. etc. and you opened the bidding, what would the highest offer be? You could even do a game on this board to see how it might play out. As long as the respective GMs would sincerely pledge their allegiance to their respective teams and value Cousins just as highly with those teams as they do with Sacramento.
 
you're confusing "value" with "outcome." in many other GM's eyes, demarcus cousins has considerable value. however, given that he's still on his inexpensive rookie deal, trading him would signify that the kings are giving up on him early, for reason x, y, z, or any combination thereof. in such a scenario, no self-respecting gm would trade the kings "value" in return for demarcus, because they recognize that a team trading a potential superstar on his rookie contract is doing so out of desperation. the outcome is then a loss for the kings, because they would, in all likelihood, receive nothing but spare parts for demarcus. those parts may, indeed, be useful, but there is a significant difference between "utilitarian" and "superstar" in the nba universe. i bank on the potential superstar 10 times out of 10 in that universe...
 
you're confusing "value" with "outcome." in many other GM's eyes, demarcus cousins has considerable value. however, given that he's still on his inexpensive rookie deal, trading him would signify that the kings are giving up on him early, for reason x, y, z, or any combination thereof. in such a scenario, no self-respecting gm would trade the kings "value" in return for demarcus, because they recognize that a team trading a potential superstar on his rookie contract is doing so out of desperation. the outcome is then a loss for the kings, because they would, in all likelihood, receive nothing but spare parts for demarcus. those parts may, indeed, be useful, but there is a significant difference between "utilitarian" and "superstar" in the nba universe. i bank on the potential superstar 10 times out of 10 in that universe...

It's irrelevant what the motivation is of the seller, as long as there are plenty of buyers to compete against each other who value the "asset". If you're the GM of Orlando, and you truly do value Cousins, then you want him for your team. You may know the Kings are sick of him, but you also know that Brick and baja and several others are interested. So do value him? Or don't you? If you truly do, then you better outbid Brick and baja and all the others on this board to get him. If you don't bid, then you really don't value him as highly as you say you do. So what's the bid from Orlando, Padrino?
 
It's irrelevant what the motivation is of the seller, as long as there are plenty of buyers to compete against each other who value the "asset". If you're the GM of Orlando, and you truly do value Cousins, then you want him for your team. You may know the Kings are sick of him, but you also know that Brick and baja and several others are interested. So do value him? Or don't you? If you truly do, then you better outbid Brick and baja and all the others on this board to get him. If you don't bid, then you really don't value him as highly as you say you do. So what's the bid from Orlando, Padrino?

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It's irrelevant what the motivation is of the seller, as long as there are plenty of buyers to compete against each other who value the "asset". If you're the GM of Orlando, and you truly do value Cousins, then you want him for your team. You may know the Kings are sick of him, but you also know that Brick and baja and several others are interested. So do value him? Or don't you? If you truly do, then you better outbid Brick and baja and all the others on this board to get him. If you don't bid, then you really don't value him as highly as you say you do. So what's the bid from Orlando, Padrino?

the bid from orlando? hah!! let's put it this way: it's not good enough...

what do you imagine the kings are going to get for demarcus cousins, by the way? forget superstar potential for a second. what all-star level talent are the kings going to bring back in a demarcus cousins trade? he's viewed around the league as a risk, and that is precisely why you don't trade DMC now. because of the inherent risk factor, all bids will come in too low. they'll start at bottom, and come up enough to whet a foolish gm's appetite (like, say, geoff petrie), but you're still not getting "value" in return for demarcus. we've seen what he's capable of when he's at his best and when his behavior's in check. that's elite talent on display, but regardless, teams will lowball the kings in trade scenario given the fact that they can snatch demarcus up on the free agent market in the '14 offseason. it's a very common tale...

and this isn't the hornets getting short-shrifted on chris paul, because, again, cousins is on his rookie contract. he's not yet established in the nba. if established superstar level talent rarely brings back true value via trade, how much do you think the kings will realistically get for cousins at this stage of his growth? it's almost like you Trade DMC'ers don't pay attention to the way transactions actually work around the league. if you're a competing gm, you try to get a guy like demarcus now because you can buy low. but that's no reason for the kings to sell low. that's just bad gm'ing, and i dunno about the rest of you, but i've seen enough of it in the last half-decade...
 
The best sports simulation game on the market might be OOTP -- Out of the Park -- a baseball sim (there is also a top soccer sim of a similar nature). Its been around for about a dozen years now, and every single year the guy who created it makes it a little better and a little deeper and a little more immersive. Its really quite amazing at this point as it recreates every single level of baseball from the majors to AAA, AA, A, short season A, rookie leagues, every real life team and stadium, you send your scouts all around the world, every draft and stupid little annoying rule of the real MLB financial system is recreated etc.

Well anyway, years ago in the earlier versions of the game what you would do if you were smart is simply take advantage of the AI (the trading AI is also far more advanced now than it was), hire the very best scoout you could find, strip down whatever team you took over and ship out everybody over the age of 25 or so for the best prospects you could find, get bad, pick up more top prospects in the amateur draft, and keep piling up top quality kids in your minors. Then in about 2 or 3 years when they started ripening all of a sudden your major league team began filling up with future All Stars, all just entering their prime, and all you had to do was retain them to be a contender every year for a decade. I created a Montreal Expos dynasty that way.

Well a few years ago, OOTP pioneered a new way to play, a career mode, where instead of just taking over a major league team and playing god emperor, you actually created an alter ego manager/GM who was jsut starting out, and you had to go out and seek employment at the low minor level, try to win enough to get promoted or search out job offers with another franchsie, and work your way up from Rookie leage, to S-A, to A or AA, and finally to jump to the majors as a GM after you were a proven winner at lower levels. And the thing is, you can get fired. You have an owner to keep happy, fans to keep happy, the owner coems into each season with certain expectations, he/she has their own personality, and if you fail to meet expectations badly enough, and he/she is impatient enough, they will actually can you, and you have to go start over with another team if one will have you. So you build up this long career managing/GMing various teams at various levels, earnign success and accolades, or getting fired and moving on.

That's a lot of fun, but it makes a notable difference in how you play the game. Gone is the sell off the team for prospects and tank strategy. Your owner would never tolerate it. You would be fired before you ever had a chance to see those prospects mature into a dominant team. Instead you find yourself making a lot of shorter term moves trying to keep your head above water and save your own ***. And hey, if its not always in the best long term interests of the team, well at least you will still be around to see that long term. You still try to get top prospects, but you can't entirely sell out to do it. You have to keep everybody happy and try to develop some top guys in the minors on the side.

Obvious point being this -- what Cousins is "worth" is heavily influenced by the security of the personnel in the franchise he would be going to. In a great many cases his talent is "worth" a lot more than a real life GM with a real life career and a real life mortgage is going to be willing to risk. If I'm god emperor, I give up half the farm to get a potential franchise player. If I'm Joe Schmuck hanigng on to my job by my fingernails, I am too terrified and frankly selfish to put my career, and mortgage, in the hands of DeMarcus Cousins.
 
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What is his value....How about Rondo? Rondo for Cousins seems a fair deal to me. But of course, Boston excluded KG, Pierce, Rondo, and Jared Sullinger in the trade talks, which is why no deal was to be had.
 
It's irrelevant what the motivation is of the seller, as long as there are plenty of buyers to compete against each other who value the "asset". If you're the GM of Orlando, and you truly do value Cousins, then you want him for your team. You may know the Kings are sick of him, but you also know that Brick and baja and several others are interested. So do value him? Or don't you? If you truly do, then you better outbid Brick and baja and all the others on this board to get him. If you don't bid, then you really don't value him as highly as you say you do. So what's the bid from Orlando, Padrino?

Obviously I think he has a lot of value, some of it yet untapped. We don't agree on that, but I'm really tired of that discussion. Its bordering on eternal life. However, one of the reasons that it would be difficult to get equal value for Cuz, is because of his rookie salary. If you were in fact trying to do equal dollars for equal dollars. For instance, lets say I think he's worth Al Horford. There is no way I can trade Cousins straight up for Horford because of the salary difference. Now I can make that work if the Hawks are willing to take back some garbage along with Cousins. But thats a big if.

I also agree with Padrino, in that everyone in the league knows of Cousins talent and potential. But the minute you put that kind of potential on the market, your probably going to get low balled. Most of the GM's are going to perceive the Kings as desperate to rid themselve of Cousins. But of course, most of them would be more than willing to take a shot with Cousins. Look, if I were going to consider trading Cousins, which I'm not, it certainly wouldn't be now. He doesn't become a restricted freeagent until next season. So you have the entire season to see how things play out with new management and new coaching. And while his presence may irritate you and some others, he's hardly responsible for the current state of the franchise, and there's little risk in giving him more time to mature.
 
What is his value....How about Rondo? Rondo for Cousins seems a fair deal to me. But of course, Boston excluded KG, Pierce, Rondo, and Jared Sullinger in the trade talks, which is why no deal was to be had.

Golden rule in basketball. Never, ever trade a good big man, for a good little man. You'll almost always lose in that deal.
 
As I said in the headcase thread, I would plan to trade him as of now, but not until I could get good value in return. That means keep him for now and give him time to work out his kinks and improve his value. If he becomes a cancer in the locker room, I might move up the schedule and trade him sooner. But no fire sale. If he works out his kinks, I might change my mind and keep him.
But what value do I place on him? If I were trading him or trading for him, I would expect an all-star level talent in the exchange, and not one in the last years of his career. But not HOF level talent like some around here seem to think.
 
I pull no punches on this one: ANYBODY who would trade a player of Cousins' caliber I would fire immediately, with prejudice and a mocking press conference.

Most talented big in the game sitting right there. Not second best or one of. Most talented big in the game. Nobody has his hands, feet, body, mobility, feel. Even in immature form he is frequently the most dominant basketball player on the floor. And he still hasn't graduated from college yet. At his age Kareem Abdul Jabbar has 0 career points and 0 career rebounds. He's the second most talented basketball player to ever play for the Sacramento Kings. So its a gamble on his head. And a gamble you take in spades if you are a small market little joke of a franchise.
 
I pull no punches on this one: ANYBODY who would trade a player of Cousins' caliber I would fire immediately, with prejudice and a mocking press conference.

Most talented big in the game sitting right there. Not second best or one of. Most talented big in the game. Nobody has his hands, feet, body, mobility, feel. Even in immature form he is frequently the most dominant basketball player on the floor. And he still hasn't graduated from college yet. At his age Kareem Abdul Jabbar has 0 career points and 0 career rebounds. He's the second most talented basketball player to ever play for the Sacramento Kings. So its a gamble on his head. And a gamble you take in spades if you are a small market little joke of a franchise.


If Minny called me tonight and offers Love for Cousins plus spares I would not hesitate one bit to pull the tigger.

Love is only 1 inch shorter and has better hands, feet, jumpshot, passing and feel.

Of course, Minny would never, ever do it. It is way to one-sided in our favor. It would be laughed off.
 
If Minny called me tonight and offers Love for Cousins plus spares I would not hesitate one bit to pull the tigger.

Love is only 1 inch shorter and has better hands, feet, jumpshot, passing and feel.

Of course, Minny would never, ever do it. It is way to one-sided in our favor. It would be laughed off.

love is more like maybe 6'9. adelman would mold cousins into the player we think he can be
 
I pull no punches on this one: ANYBODY who would trade a player of Cousins' caliber I would fire immediately, with prejudice and a mocking press conference.

Most talented big in the game sitting right there. Not second best or one of. Most talented big in the game. Nobody has his hands, feet, body, mobility, feel. Even in immature form he is frequently the most dominant basketball player on the floor. And he still hasn't graduated from college yet. At his age Kareem Abdul Jabbar has 0 career points and 0 career rebounds. He's the second most talented basketball player to ever play for the Sacramento Kings. So its a gamble on his head. And a gamble you take in spades if you are a small market little joke of a franchise.



May I say, Brick, you're in fine form recently.
 
There is obvious disagreement on the board on whether Cousins should get traded or not. Those in the "don't trade him, he definitely should be in the core" camp often say, you wouldn't get much for him if you did try to trade him. That's one of their arguments for not trading him. That seems like contradiction to me. It's like saying you know the guy is valuable, but nobody else does; so therefore you're not going to get much for him. But I believe in the notion: If you're thinking it, someone else is probably thinking the same thing. It's the very rare individual that has the monopoly on the truth of anything. In other words, there is a very good chance there are GMs out there that value Cousins just as highly as Brick, Padrino, baja, et. al. There are also probably GMs out there like me that wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. So if Brick is the GM of Houston and Padrino is the GM of Orlando and baja is the GM of Toronto, etc. etc. and you opened the bidding, what would the highest offer be? You could even do a game on this board to see how it might play out. As long as the respective GMs would sincerely pledge their allegiance to their respective teams and value Cousins just as highly with those teams as they do with Sacramento.

That's not true, simply because we're not talking about Cousins' current value that is great. As Padrino and Baja have said, the second you put him on the trading block other teams know you're desperate to trade him, and they will just low ball you. All of the teams have some sort of young talent that they can build around, and at this point they are not going to treat Cousins as THE player to build around, because they already have other guys. We don't have that same luxury. So they take a low risk in bringing back Cousins for scrap, and if he pans out under good organizational leadership and with proper coaching then they've pulled off a heist. Put it this way: other teams don't need Cousins - we do (or someone who has similar potential). If they know we are trying to get rid of Cousins, and it's clearly because of attitude issues and Cousins' discontent, they won't be in any hurry to offer us their best players. Sure, they'll try to outbid each other, but not to the amount that they give us anybody of equal value in return.
 
I pull no punches on this one: ANYBODY who would trade a player of Cousins' caliber I would fire immediately, with prejudice and a mocking press conference.

Most talented big in the game sitting right there. Not second best or one of. Most talented big in the game. Nobody has his hands, feet, body, mobility, feel. Even in immature form he is frequently the most dominant basketball player on the floor. And he still hasn't graduated from college yet. At his age Kareem Abdul Jabbar has 0 career points and 0 career rebounds. He's the second most talented basketball player to ever play for the Sacramento Kings. So its a gamble on his head. And a gamble you take in spades if you are a small market little joke of a franchise.

this is one thing I have in common with Brick. That should tell you something.
 
If Minny called me tonight and offers Love for Cousins plus spares I would not hesitate one bit to pull the tigger.

Love is only 1 inch shorter and has better hands, feet, jumpshot, passing and feel.

Of course, Minny would never, ever do it. It is way to one-sided in our favor. It would be laughed off.

Love is several inches shorter, and no he actually doesn't have better hands or feet, the rest we will see over time. But you know what? Love is a talent of that level. He's just too short/completely hopeless defensively. And here is the other thing -- Cousins can be the best post player in the game, a goto guy. Love never will be. Its a major flaw for him as potential franchise guy. Remember too he is injury prone, and has an attiude of his own -- he may in fact leave Minny to go join his own superteam. If they can't hold him, why would we?

All of that said he is clearly one of about 10 guys in the league where at least you are getting back a potential centerpiece not ready for social security.
 
Even with all the issues, hes a guy who has only pretty much missed 1 game in his career through injury, plays C (and is a top 6-8) and hes really skilled meaning his value has to be high. If players like DeAndre Jordan (who other than dunking can't do anything and is massive liability) can get like 40million (10 mil a season) dollar deals imagine what someone would be willing to overpay Cousins once his contract is up. The guys trade value right now is still good hes young, fairly injury free thus far and talented with issues, some team will take a gamble on him if the Kings don't.

He is far to talented and teams will overlook the other stuff, as far as trade value its hard to say.
 
Love was putting up 20 and 15 at DMC's current age without half the problems. I would make the trade. If you don't want to make it fine. But are you really going to tell me that a GM that does make the trade should be fired and ridiculed for stupidity?
 
Love was putting up 20 and 15 at DMC's current age without half the problems. I would make the trade. If you don't want to make it fine. But are you really going to tell me that a GM that does make the trade should be fired and ridiculed for stupidity?

No. As mentioned Love gets you into that rare, and it is rare, class of players that might be able to carry you. Maybe. Buthe hasn't carried a team yet either, and he keeps getting hurt and talking about leaving, so even that is not a panacea. Its at least a reasonable discussion however.
 
If you could guarentee me that howard would stay in sac id consider trading him for boogie. boogie has way more promise but howard would do very well here being in a small market team. The community would embrace him and he'd embrace us. There would be a pressure to do well and we would go as far as he could take us but with tyreke here he wouldnt have to be that guy entirely
 
If Minny called me tonight and offers Love for Cousins plus spares I would not hesitate one bit to pull the tigger.

Love is only 1 inch shorter and has better hands, feet, jumpshot, passing and feel.

Of course, Minny would never, ever do it. It is way to one-sided in our favor. It would be laughed off.

Thank you for proving my point. Believe me, I'm a huge Love fan along with Gary, who I think would like to have children with him. Just kidding Gary, just kidding. I'd love to put Love next to Cousins on the floor. You'd have two of the best rebounders and passing big men next to one another. However, your idea of a trade doesn't work. At least as equal for equal. Love is slotted to make $14,693,906.00 next season, while Cousins is scheduled to make $4,916,973.00. So unless you could convince Minny to take back 10 mil worth of garbage, the deal wouldn't work. Which is one of the points I was trying to make. And why should they.

The truth is, with Cousins, when you look at what he's making and compare his stats around the league, your not going to get any better bang for the buck. Of course I realize that none of that counts with the pious emotional zealots out there. No no! Lets not get involved in real results. We only care that our personal fragile sensibilities are being damaged. I have to assume that none of you guys are hockey fans.
 
If you could guarentee me that howard would stay in sac id consider trading him for boogie. boogie has way more promise but howard would do very well here being in a small market team. The community would embrace him and he'd embrace us. There would be a pressure to do well and we would go as far as he could take us but with tyreke here he wouldnt have to be that guy entirely

Yeah, Howard has certainly turned the Lakers around. And for those that aren't aware, Howard is right up there next to Cousins in technical fouls this season. Be careful what you wish for.
 
I can't even believe this is even debatable right now. We are fans of a small market team and we currently have one of the most talented big man to come out of college since Tim Duncan and we're talking about trading him? So what if he's angry?! This organization has to swing for the fences and make sure he matures under their watch. This is the guy that can make sure this organization can stay relevant the next decade. As much as I love Reke, he can be replaced. Demarcus Cousins absolutely cannot be replaced. The fact that we have those 2 fall into our laps, is crazy. What's even crazier is the fact this team is poorly constructed around their unique talents. Geoff Petrie and the Maloofs should be ashamed. They had a gold mine handed to them and they are on the verge of wasting it.
 
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the bid from orlando? hah!! let's put it this way: it's not good enough...

what do you imagine the kings are going to get for demarcus cousins, by the way? forget superstar potential for a second. what all-star level talent are the kings going to bring back in a demarcus cousins trade? he's viewed around the league as a risk, and that is precisely why you don't trade DMC now. because of the inherent risk factor, all bids will come in too low. they'll start at bottom, and come up enough to whet a foolish gm's appetite (like, say, geoff petrie), but you're still not getting "value" in return for demarcus. we've seen what he's capable of when he's at his best and when his behavior's in check. that's elite talent on display, but regardless, teams will lowball the kings in trade scenario given the fact that they can snatch demarcus up on the free agent market in the '14 offseason. it's a very common tale...

and this isn't the hornets getting short-shrifted on chris paul, because, again, cousins is on his rookie contract. he's not yet established in the nba. if established superstar level talent rarely brings back true value via trade, how much do you think the kings will realistically get for cousins at this stage of his growth? it's almost like you Trade DMC'ers don't pay attention to the way transactions actually work around the league. if you're a competing gm, you try to get a guy like demarcus now because you can buy low. but that's no reason for the kings to sell low. that's just bad gm'ing, and i dunno about the rest of you, but i've seen enough of it in the last half-decade...

Still not answering the question. What are you afraid of? You are a GM of a team that needs a good center. You have stated over and over again how valuable he is. So, quit beating around the bush and tell me what you would offer if you were a GM of Orlando or Houston or some other team. Cut the crap and give some specifics. And of course the bids will start low, but there are several GMs you're bidding against. Look at all the competing "GMs" on this board that says how valuable he is. So you have competitors, and if you really do value him, I guess you better not nickel and dime. Or do you not value him really as highly as you say you do? Which is it? Quit beating around the bush.
 
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The best sports simulation game on the market might be OOTP -- Out of the Park -- a baseball sim (there is also a top soccer sim of a similar nature). Its been around for about a dozen years now, and every single year the guy who created it makes it a little better and a little deeper and a little more immersive. Its really quite amazing at this point as it recreates every single level of baseball from the majors to AAA, AA, A, short season A, rookie leagues, every real life team and stadium, you send your scouts all around the world, every draft and stupid little annoying rule of the real MLB financial system is recreated etc.

Well anyway, years ago in the earlier versions of the game what you would do if you were smart is simply take advantage of the AI (the trading AI is also far more advanced now than it was), hire the very best scoout you could find, strip down whatever team you took over and ship out everybody over the age of 25 or so for the best prospects you could find, get bad, pick up more top prospects in the amateur draft, and keep piling up top quality kids in your minors. Then in about 2 or 3 years when they started ripening all of a sudden your major league team began filling up with future All Stars, all just entering their prime, and all you had to do was retain them to be a contender every year for a decade. I created a Montreal Expos dynasty that way.

Well a few years ago, OOTP pioneered a new way to play, a career mode, where instead of just taking over a major league team and playing god emperor, you actually created an alter ego manager/GM who was jsut starting out, and you had to go out and seek employment at the low minor level, try to win enough to get promoted or search out job offers with another franchsie, and work your way up from Rookie leage, to S-A, to A or AA, and finally to jump to the majors as a GM after you were a proven winner at lower levels. And the thing is, you can get fired. You have an owner to keep happy, fans to keep happy, the owner coems into each season with certain expectations, he/she has their own personality, and if you fail to meet expectations badly enough, and he/she is impatient enough, they will actually can you, and you have to go start over with another team if one will have you. So you build up this long career managing/GMing various teams at various levels, earnign success and accolades, or getting fired and moving on.

That's a lot of fun, but it makes a notable difference in how you play the game. Gone is the sell off the team for prospects and tank strategy. Your owner would never tolerate it. You would be fired before you ever had a chance to see those prospects mature into a dominant team. Instead you find yourself making a lot of shorter term moves trying to keep your head above water and save your own ***. And hey, if its not always in the best long term interests of the team, well at least you will still be around to see that long term. You still try to get top prospects, but you can't entirely sell out to do it. You have to keep everybody happy and try to develop some top guys in the minors on the side.

Obvious point being this -- what Cousins is "worth" is heavily influenced by the security of the personnel in the franchise he would be going to. In a great many cases his talent is "worth" a lot more than a real life GM with a real life career and a real life mortgage is going to be willing to risk. If I'm god emperor, I give up half the farm to get a potential franchise player. If I'm Joe Schmuck hanigng on to my job by my fingernails, I am too terrified and frankly selfish to put my career, and mortgage, in the hands of DeMarcus Cousins.

So enough with the blarney. Pick a team and tell me what you'd pay for Cousins. You've said he's part of the core and that anybody that thinks he shouldn't be is crazy. So man up and pick a team and tell me how much you'd pay. It shouldn't take more than a couple of sentences. And while you're doing that you might want to check out your competitors to see how much they would pay.
 
So enough with the blarney. Pick a team and tell me what you'd pay for Cousins. You've said he's part of the core and that anybody that thinks he shouldn't be is crazy. So man up and pick a team and tell me how much you'd pay. It shouldn't take more than a couple of sentences. And while you're doing that you might want to check out your competitors to see how much they would pay.

Im confused as to the point you are trying to make. You know the people that value cousins highly on here think he is worth a lot. You also know that his rookie deal and current dysfunctional situation (a lot of which everyone knows he contributes to) potentially lessen what we would receive. So why so insistent on this? It's fairly obvious you just want them to list something so you can argue that "x team would never do that" so why continue?

Not trying to be argumentative just don't understand what the point is.
 
Still not answering the question. What are you afraid of? You are a GM of a team that needs a good center. You have stated over and over again how valuable he is. So, quit beating around the bush and tell me what you would offer if you were a GM of Orlando or Houston or some other team. Cut the crap and give some specifics. And of course the bids will start low, but there are several GMs you're bidding against. Look at all the competing "GMs" on this board that says how valuable he is. So you have competitors, and if you really do value him, I guess you better not nickel and dime. Or do you not value him really as highly as you say you do? Which is it? Quit beating around the bush.

i'm not beating around the bush. you are. i don't care to trade demarcus cousins. you do. i'm armchair gm of a team that already has him on their active roster. i value him highly, and i am choosing not to trade him. more to the point, i am confused by this silly little game you're trying to play here. because DMC is still a sacramento king until his free agency in the '14 offseason, and because he has shown considerable improvement in his time with the kings, the burden of proof rests with you to present a scenario in which the kings might actually get something resembling value via trade for their potential superstar-level talent...

if we're all honest with each other, this thread you've concocted is just smoke and mirrors, and it distracts from the sobering realities of transaction in the contemporary nba, restrictive CBA included. i'd expect as much from someone like LWP777, ever the obfuscation junkie, but i actually think you've got a modicum of basketball acumen in that fiendish little brain of yours, misguided as you are on the subject of both demarcus cousins and tyreke evans...

but if you really want an answer to your rather irrelevant question... orlando gives up literally any combination of players on their roster to acquire DMC. houston likewise offers up any combination of players, apart from james harden, who is the only player between those two teams that you could place in the same class of talent as demarcus. disproportionate contract figures aside, that doesn't mean houston gives him up when they know sacramento will take a lesser offer, desperate as the kings would be in a scenario in which they attempt to trade demarcus cousins on his rookie contract. again, you're asking a foolish hypothetical question that ignores the reality of market conditions...
 
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