What if.... the Kings pick 2, 3 or 4 ?

[CruzDude]

The consensus seems overwhelming that the first two picks in the coming draft will be Griffin and Rubio (if he decides to stay in). Lets, for the sake of argument, say Rubio opts out of the draft this year.

Let's support the conspiracy theory that the kings get the 2nd, 3rd or 4th pick in the coming draft. Not that I want that, nor am saying they will fall to 3 or 4, but rather a hypothesis of "what happens IF the Kings pick is #2, 3 or #4??

The consensus #3 pick seems to be the 7-3 Thabeet. Then there is everyone else. There are a number of very good next level players in this draft who will play in the NBA and a number of which could/should start in the first year or two. But little consensus who they would be.

Who makes sense for the Kings as a 3-4 pick or is there a trade scenario that make sense at that point? Thabeet? But we have Hawes who is coming on fine and is a banger. Thabeet is NOT a banger.

BTW I think that Jennings is a big mistake this year. No proof in his performance in Euroland, a small dynamic guard with much more hype than substance IMHO.

Then I keep reading online about 3 or 4 PG/SG types who CAN play the point but who are more shooters than passers, Bibby types I think. I have no clue at this point.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Jennings
Thabeet
Harden or Hill (not really fond of either one but value wise you got to take one of them)

Once Thabeet is gone I'd probably suggest they trade down though.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Jennings
Thabeet
Harden or Hill (not really fond of either one but value wise you got to take one of them)

Once Thabeet is gone I'd probably suggest they trade down though.

If we pick #2 we'll probably still land up with Rubio IMO, because the teams that are neck and neck with us for the first pick already pretty much have good PG's, so they'll probably take Griffin. If we get #3 I'll take Jennings...if we get #4 I'll take Jennings again. Sure he's alot of flash, but he's got alot of substance to go with it, and he knows how to run an offense, which is what we need...a true PG, which we have none of at the moment.

 

[Vlade4GM]

OP said assume Rubio is out.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

Jennings.

 

[VF21]

OP said assume Rubio is out.

But isn't that creating a scenario that will most likely NOT exist, since Rubio and his agent have both said they're going to be part of the draft?

I guess I just don't understand some of these fantasy "what if" draft scenarios...

 

[SacTownKid]

From what I've read Jennings sounds like he might be the real deal, but I'd have to go with Harden next if Rubio wasn't in. After that probably Jennings and then on to Thabeet or maybe even Jordan Hill, I don't know.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

But isn't that creating a scenario that will most likely NOT exist, since Rubio and his agent have both said they're going to be part of the draft?

I guess I just don't understand some of these fantasy "what if" draft scenarios...

I guess we can let the REAL pronosticating begin Tuesday night, eh?

 

[fnordius]

I think that Thabeet makes total sense for us, if available when we pick. Our D is the worst in the NBA, and a change of coaches won't make that all better.

If Griffin, Rubio and Thabeet are all gone, I really don't have any concrete ideas. I'll confront that grim decision when/if we come to it. Only a few more days until we find out...

 

[Vlade4GM]

But isn't that creating a scenario that will most likely NOT exist, since Rubio and his agent have both said they're going to be part of the draft?

I guess I just don't understand some of these fantasy "what if" draft scenarios...

It's just for fun. I think it's interesting, while not likely, it's possible he doesn't enter and we don't get the no.1 pick. Then things get a little more interesting.

 

[Henkel]

Thabeet would obviously have to be considered. After that i could see the Kings going with any number of players. DeRozan and Evans have a lot of potential but they don't really fill a need. Harden could get some consideration but he is strictly a shooting guard and really doesn't have the star potential that the Kings should be looking for. We could also reach a bit on any number of talented point guards.

If Rubio wasn't available i would have to go with Thabeet, Flynn, and DeRozan in that order. I wouldn't be surprised or upset if we went with Jennings either.

 

[Nighthawk1]

I actually think we're one of the few teams who might actually trade up into the #1 or #2 spot. we have some trade bait, cap room, etc to offer teams

 

[BMiller52]

I'd consider Thabeet but in the end I might just go with Evans or Jennings. I think Evans can play PG. He played a lot better as the Memphis PG.

 

[vikinginferno]

I actually think we're one of the few teams who might actually trade up into the #1 or #2 spot. we have some trade bait, cap room, etc to offer teams

That's exactly what I want to do, even if we have to give up someone like Garcia or even more. We're not going to be able to trade to the #1, but the #2 could definitely be an option.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

I think it will be Jennings, he would def put people in the seats, sell jerseys and has just as much potential to be ROY with hard work.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I think it will be Jennings, he would def put people in the seats, sell jerseys and has just as much potential to be ROY with hard work.

Yeah, I would agree with this. Kenny Anderson was damn good in his prime, and I dont think any Kings fans would be complaining at picking Brandon Jennings the end of next year if we get him.

 

[Kings Faithful]

If Rubio opts out and we end up with the 2, 3, or 4 pick I say we trade down to a team like Minnesota who has 3 first rounders at #5, #18, and #28... or we could make a deal like

Minnesota's number 5 pick + Corey Brewer who can fill our back up SF problem.

If we end up just trading for more picks we should try to get Jeff Teague, Ty Lawson, and/or Tyreke Evans...I have a feeling all three of those guys are going to make a name for themselves in the league.

 

[Kings Faithful]

Jennings screams Louis Williams to me... mabye it's just because they look similar.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

some people here like Louis Williams

 

[MANoICE]

No Griffin or Rubio - "let's make a deal..."

While there is potential for other impact players at #'s 3 or 4. I think it is a better move to take multiple picks in the first round. After the top two, you are taking a huge risk anyway, so why not play the odds and spread the risk around. The lower picks will make less $$, fill out our depleted roster and give us a greater chance of finding talent in this crap shoot of a draft. The wolves at #5 (presumably) and #18 works will for that, or there are 2-3 other teams with multiple first rounders.

Personally, I would rather have:

@ #5 - Jennings or Holiday or Evans and
@ # 18 - Holiday (if he slips) or Mullens or Daye
Plus #23 & #31

than this:

@ #3 or #4 - Thabeet or Hill or Harden
Plus #23 & #31.

Just my opinion.

Ideally, I love this:

#6 - T. Evans (I am biased to PG's with great size.)
#18 - B. Mullens (Young Soild big. Already 260lbs. at 19 years old)
#23 - N. Cathes (very good deep shooter, size and PG skills)
#31 - O. Casspi (consensus #3 euro. behind Rubio & Jennings)

The middle two are pretty big risk vs. reward players but since they are middle to late first round picks, they come cheaply.

Getting two guys that can play the PG/SG roles allows the team options to package any of the following with KT for a "big-time" player:

Beno
Noch
Garcia
Hawes (?)

It would be a tough two more years, but if the talent shakes out, it could be amazing. Especially with another hight pick in next years much deeper draft.

 

[LPKingsFan]

While there is potential for other impact players at #'s 3 or 4. I think it is a better move to take multiple picks in the first round. After the top two, you are taking a huge risk anyway, so why not play the odds and spread the risk around. The lower picks will make less $$, fill out our depleted roster and give us a greater chance of finding talent in this crap shoot of a draft. The wolves at #5 (presumably) and #18 works will for that, or there are 2-3 other teams with multiple first rounders.

Personally, I would rather have:

@ #5 - Jennings or Holiday or Evans and
@ # 18 - Holiday (if he slips) or Mullens or Daye
Plus #23 & #31

than this:

@ #3 or #4 - Thabeet or Hill or Harden
Plus #23 & #31.

Just my opinion.

Ideally, I love this:

#6 - T. Evans (I am biased to PG's with great size.)
#18 - B. Mullens (Young Soild big. Already 260lbs. at 19 years old)
#23 - N. Cathes (very good deep shooter, size and PG skills)
#31 - O. Casspi (consensus #3 euro. behind Rubio & Jennings)

The middle two are pretty big risk vs. reward players but since they are middle to late first round picks, they come cheaply.

Getting two guys that can play the PG/SG roles allows the team options to package any of the following with KT for a "big-time" player:

Beno
Noch
Garcia
Hawes (?)

It would be a tough two more years, but if the talent shakes out, it could be amazing. Especially with another hight pick in next years much deeper draft.

Yeah, I've suggested the swap with Minny before in the case that the Kings end up with 3 or 4. In fact, a straight across swap of 3 or 4, 23, and 31 for 5, 18, and 28 would make the most sense in my mind.

 

[vikinginferno]

While there is potential for other impact players at #'s 3 or 4. I think it is a better move to take multiple picks in the first round. After the top two, you are taking a huge risk anyway, so why not play the odds and spread the risk around. The lower picks will make less $$, fill out our depleted roster and give us a greater chance of finding talent in this crap shoot of a draft. The wolves at #5 (presumably) and #18 works will for that, or there are 2-3 other teams with multiple first rounders.

Personally, I would rather have:

@ #5 - Jennings or Holiday or Evans and
@ # 18 - Holiday (if he slips) or Mullens or Daye
Plus #23 & #31

than this:

@ #3 or #4 - Thabeet or Hill or Harden
Plus #23 & #31.

Just my opinion.

Ideally, I love this:

#6 - T. Evans (I am biased to PG's with great size.)
#18 - B. Mullens (Young Soild big. Already 260lbs. at 19 years old)
#23 - N. Cathes (very good deep shooter, size and PG skills)
#31 - O. Casspi (consensus #3 euro. behind Rubio & Jennings)

The middle two are pretty big risk vs. reward players but since they are middle to late first round picks, they come cheaply.

Getting two guys that can play the PG/SG roles allows the team options to package any of the following with KT for a "big-time" player:

Beno
Noch
Garcia
Hawes (?)

It would be a tough two more years, but if the talent shakes out, it could be amazing. Especially with another hight pick in next years much deeper draft.

That's a good idea, but I don't think Minny trades both those picks just to move 1 or 2 spots up. IMO those picks that you want would be pretty bad picks after Evans. We could probably get Mullens at 23 and he has done barely anything in college. Calathes will probably still be there at 31 and why would you want him over all the much more talented point guards. Casspi would be an ok pick, but there are probably going to be better picks at 31.

 

[bajaden]

That's a good idea, but I don't think Minny trades both those picks just to move 1 or 2 spots up. IMO those picks that you want would be pretty bad picks after Evans. We could probably get Mullens at 23 and he has done barely anything in college. Calathes will probably still be there at 31 and why would you want him over all the much more talented point guards. Casspi would be an ok pick, but there are probably going to be better picks at 31.

I'm not a big fan of Mullens. I've done a lot of reading about the Kid and watched him play this year. He didn't play with any passion or fire at Ohio St. and from all that I've read on him that was the knock on him in highschool. There's no doubt he's talented, but so were Benoit Benjamin and Olowakandi.

My picks would be Thabeet, Evans, Hardin.

 

[boffacheerios]

Yeah, I've suggested the swap with Minny before in the case that the Kings end up with 3 or 4. In fact, a straight across swap of 3 or 4, 23, and 31 for 5, 18, and 28 would make the most sense in my mind.

i have to say, i would most definately take Claver ahead of Casspi at 31. His athleticism is better and his jump shot is better.

 

[CruzDude]

Well blow me away. It's not 2, 3 or 4 but just plain ole #4. So my conspiracy theory has Rubio opting out of the draft due to his Euro buyout being beyond anything an NBA team can do.

The 4-8 group in 7 mock drafts this month includes:
Jordan Hill, 6-10/235, PF
James Harden, 6-5/218, SG/SF
Brandon Jennings, 6-0/170, PG
Stephen Curry, 6-3/185, PG/SG
Tyreke Evans, 6-5/195, PG
Jrue Holiday, 6-3/185, PG/SG
Jeff Teague, 6-2/180 PG

But our Jeff always seems to come out of left field with a guy who plays, hustles, gets up and down and is a team personality. So......