DocHolliday
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VF21 said:
He'll be Vlade in a couple years with that back. Maybe it's a hereditary Serbian thing?
What if Petrie does nothing?
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He'll be Vlade in a couple years with that back. Maybe it's a hereditary Serbian thing?
DocHolliday
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Čarolija said:
Oh yes we could have gotten a superstar. A couple years ago Larry Bird was a knockin on Geoff's door wanting Peja for Artest. Like him or not Artest IS a superstar and he's young. You were seeing why he was a superstar up until this whole trade thing, and you will see once again why once he is traded. He's troubled but nevertheless a star.
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thesanityannex
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That is funny.Čarolija said:
CruzDude said:
A couple of thoughts:
First, the more time passes, the more it becomes pretty obvious that Ron Artest is NOT the hot commodity some people thought. Maybe, just maybe, the majority of GMs in the league do know more than us mere mortals and aren't willing to put their faith in the Indiana nutcase. I honestly do NOT think trades are being held waiting to see what happens with him.
Now, about Petrie in general. The Maloofs are patient men but they're not above stepping in if they feel strongly. We've seen that before - talking to Phil Jackson's agent is a perfect case in point. If they were not happy with what Petrie is doing or, more importantly, NOT doing right now, I'm pretty sure they'd be mentioning it to him, which they might well have done.
There seem to be two prevailing opinions around here:
1. That Petrie acts in a vacuum with no input from or discussion with the Maloofs about possible trades, acquisitions, etc.
2. That Petrie is merely a figurehead and that the Maloofs are actually pulling the threads and making all the decisions.
Neither is true IMHO. Most likely, and most consistent with what we've heard, the Maloofs do not get involved in every decision made by their department heads, etc. They have the good sense to delegate responsibility and authority to those hired for such tasks. On the other hand, if there is something they feel strongly about, they will discuss it and - as any business owner - make sure their people are in tune with them.
If the Maloofs wanted Ron Artest, we'd have him. It would be a fait accompli. If the Maloofs wanted Petrie to do whatever it took to get this team limping into the playoffs, it would be happening.
Maloof Sports and Entertainment bought a franchise that had nothing going for it. The fans had jumped ship in such droves you could virtually walk to shore on their backs. The team was disheartened, disheveled, and discombobulated. They bought it, they retained SOME of the personnel, such as Jerry Reynolds and Geoff Petrie, and they brought in their own people. They started looking towards the future and within a couple of years we were starting to...gulp...win.
This is a team in transition. It happens to every franchise. The Maloofs, luckily, seem to have a better grasp on that than some of the "instant gratification" fans.
I, for one, have lived through the horrible, horrible years. I don't think we're headed back in that direction. I do firmly believe, however, that we're facing a couple of years of uncertainly, personnel changes, etc. And you know what? I think we'll survive.
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kennadog
Dog On It!
I'm assuming that was meant to be humorous. If not, well, back problems are the number one disability problem in this country.DocHolliday said:
Your point of view VF was well-written and pretty much sums up how I feel. And I wouldn't expect any GM to make their plans public or they've just generally screwed themselves at the bargaining table. And as we all know, GP is one of the best at keeping his cards close to his vest. Frustrating for fans, but smart for scheming moves.
I just don't see any realistic overnight fix for the team. Its disappointing to go from the team we had to this transition period, but it was bound to happen sooner or latter. No team stays elite forever. Team fans stay team fans, tho.
CruzDude
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I agree with Brick on one main point: Kings fans are resilient and we will survive. After all for us old timers who stuck with them thru the late 80's and 90's, the reward was worth it.
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Now however, it is quite a bit different than 1996. We have really good players, marginal all-stars at every starting position. Two young guys who have real upsides either of which can start (we never said THAT in the 90's before Vlade and JWill), a dark horse big man in the middle (Skin), a proven coach and fan support better than any team in the country.
But on-court chemistry is still in the melting pot simmering stage, Coach still is fiddling with ingredients, tho he may be sticking with some some potatoes longer than he should (when we need a jalapeno/Bonzi or wild cactus stick/banger-defender), and GP showing patience, agonizing patience for us fans, cause he knows where we can go with what we got.
But us fans can't handle that right now. We've been spoiled for 6 years. We want instant gratification. GP on the other hand knows that is not necessarily the solution. So we have to assume the Maloofs are on the same page with GP and see what happens in the next 2-3 weeks without SAR and Bonzi.
As Brick says above "This is a team in transition. It happens to every franchise. The Maloofs, luckily, seem to have a better grasp on that than some of the "instant gratification" fans."
I sure hope so. But wouldn't a little feedback about a secondary move calm our tattered nerves?
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Now however, it is quite a bit different than 1996. We have really good players, marginal all-stars at every starting position. Two young guys who have real upsides either of which can start (we never said THAT in the 90's before Vlade and JWill), a dark horse big man in the middle (Skin), a proven coach and fan support better than any team in the country.
But on-court chemistry is still in the melting pot simmering stage, Coach still is fiddling with ingredients, tho he may be sticking with some some potatoes longer than he should (when we need a jalapeno/Bonzi or wild cactus stick/banger-defender), and GP showing patience, agonizing patience for us fans, cause he knows where we can go with what we got.
But us fans can't handle that right now. We've been spoiled for 6 years. We want instant gratification. GP on the other hand knows that is not necessarily the solution. So we have to assume the Maloofs are on the same page with GP and see what happens in the next 2-3 weeks without SAR and Bonzi.
As Brick says above "This is a team in transition. It happens to every franchise. The Maloofs, luckily, seem to have a better grasp on that than some of the "instant gratification" fans."
I sure hope so. But wouldn't a little feedback about a secondary move calm our tattered nerves?
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Not me he said those things CD.
Circa_1985_Fan
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I'm with ya VF...I just hope that after a couple of years of uncertainty, that we'll still have a team to cheer for here in Sacramento
Hope is a powerful thing, but obviously worth very little to the powers that be in this fine city we call home. Fast Forward, Circa-2007??
CruzDude said:
WHAT?!?!?!?!?
Oh, dude. Brickie didn't say it. I did.
Good thing for you I'm in a good mood tonight.
My nerves aren't tattered. I've accepted that this is a team in transition and I'm willing to wait and see what happens. The only people with tattered nerves at this point, IMHO, are those who didn't want to believe that the 2005-2006 Kings, as currently structured, were NOT going to win the Pacific Division, etc.
sameolzeal
Prospect
Bibby, Brad and Kenny for KG, and that okie doke Jaric + expensive scrub. OK hear me out, Mr. Turnover Hart starts, Jaric immediately off the bench to compliment garcia and martin as ballhandlers. Backcourt solved...in theory, PEJA, Shareef is a compliment of a player. KG would thrive as our power center. Championship solved
CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
VF21 said:WHAT?!?!?!?!?
Oh, dude. Brickie didn't say it. I did.
Good thing for you I'm in a good mood tonight.
My nerves aren't tattered. I've accepted that this is a team in transition and I'm willing to wait and see what happens. The only people with tattered nerves at this point, IMHO, are those who didn't want to believe that the 2005-2006 Kings, as currently structured, were NOT going to win the Pacific Division, etc.
Hey, clogged ear had me tilting sideways.... (thunk, thunk, thunk..... ahhhh, thats better)... your right VF, it was you. Sorry Brick.....
Anyway, seems that a number of us are on the same page for a change.
Indy can be taken if we repeat some good stuff and the 3 game road trip is all winnable. Let's see what happens.
sameolzeal
Prospect
Nobody wants to see bibby get out of dodge but if it must. It must. I dont see him meshing well with the rondos coming into the leauge, if Petrie doesn't pull for an athletic big in a trade, I.E. KG. I think the kings should dog 06' and draft rondo. fool is a lottery pick for sure, if not top 5. This team lacks ballhanding depth, No Joke. Peja is maturing and he needs a player who gives him the ball. Those two things make me itch to trade Bibby while everything is dandy. Brad Miller is the only player on the kings that can show up and get shown up on the same play. No offense to him, but lame is my view. Those are two starters, I know that undercuts everything...but rondo is only 7 months away.
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playmaker0017
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sameolzeal said:
Because KG has won so many other championships with a much more talented roster in the past?
sameolzeal said:
No ball-handling depth? While young guys, Garcia/Price/Martin can handle and will be able to handle. Also, for the time being, there is Hart, who I don't think is horrible. I am well aware of Rajon Rondo from UK. But, I don't see us drafting a PG unless Bibby is gone and we don't get a good PG in return, and because Ronnie Price is here. Who isn't just some guy, Petrie wanted to draft him in R2, but couldn't get the pick, and is very high on him.
I see and expect Sac to draft a big man. That is the area where the Kings lack youth (except for Jamal Sampson, but who knows what becomes of him), PF/C. I'd be fine if it's a good swingman like Collins or Carney, but would prefer and expect a big man.
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kingsfan916
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If petrie does nutin this season we wont even win 30 games..........
CruzDude
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It is now the 15th and Petrie's only words are (in effect) not to take a "poison pill (quick trade)" but use patience. Well, we've been more than patient and it is getting worse. Brad, bless his sole, has figured out that other teams have begun to guard him on the high post and now he does nothing.
There is no one to double team on the Kings so guarding the Kings straightup one-on-one has all but shut them down. He refuses to play Skinner at the 5 for any amount of minutes to see what he can do, Kevin seems hesitant to shoot much deferring to Bibby, Cisco had one good game finally, and Corliss, the "old man" on the bench shows more hustle than anyone, Hart contributes not much and Mr. Hustle, Ronnie Price (who seems to outplay Hart), doesn't see much time, etc, etc.
Kings are now the 3rd worst team in the West Conf and have no home court advantage anymore.
How much more patience do we need to put up with at this point? In 3-4 weeks we may get Bonzi back but he can't carry this team in this condition. And SAR a few weeks after that, is a good piece of the puzzle but again, not one to carry a team.
There are no quick fixes, but there can be better hustle players out there that at least provide a bit more entertainment and a bit more defense than what Mr. Petrie has served up for us so far. Harumppphhh!!!!
There is no one to double team on the Kings so guarding the Kings straightup one-on-one has all but shut them down. He refuses to play Skinner at the 5 for any amount of minutes to see what he can do, Kevin seems hesitant to shoot much deferring to Bibby, Cisco had one good game finally, and Corliss, the "old man" on the bench shows more hustle than anyone, Hart contributes not much and Mr. Hustle, Ronnie Price (who seems to outplay Hart), doesn't see much time, etc, etc.
Kings are now the 3rd worst team in the West Conf and have no home court advantage anymore.
How much more patience do we need to put up with at this point? In 3-4 weeks we may get Bonzi back but he can't carry this team in this condition. And SAR a few weeks after that, is a good piece of the puzzle but again, not one to carry a team.
There are no quick fixes, but there can be better hustle players out there that at least provide a bit more entertainment and a bit more defense than what Mr. Petrie has served up for us so far. Harumppphhh!!!!
CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
Well, it's now the 18th and the Kings just blew out the Suns, one of the two best in the west. Garcia and Martin are growing more confident each game and Cisco is becoming quite a stopper. KT showed what he can do with big minutes. Is this what Petrie meant by not taking a poison pill and having patience?
It's only 2 games but not bad. Lakers Thur will see if they can do it again. Then, well then we'll see if............. Plus the 6 game road trip to east coast....
It's only 2 games but not bad. Lakers Thur will see if they can do it again. Then, well then we'll see if............. Plus the 6 game road trip to east coast....
Padrino
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CruzDude said:
oh my...this is what i feared. the suns last night put on a defensive display that rivaled even the worst kings defensive performances. the kings got every shot they wanted, and every shot they wanted went in. but i hope nobody, especially those in the kings front office, puts the blinders up to this team's weaknesses. those weaknesses--despite a mighty win over the suns at arco--still exist. i'm not trying to take the wind out of anybody's sails, but i think our game against the lakers on thursday and the ensuing six game road trip will re-expose the faults and flaws of this team. the 2-game win streak is wonderful, but the kings need to keep the energy level even higher than it has been to win like that on the road.
