What ARE the Kings about??? Where are they going?

[Bricklayer]

Point is, don't put much faith in the draft. Maybe Kings get 3-6, maybe not. Chances of 1 or 2 very, very slim.

Look at Cavs with LaBron. He is franchise player, the best in may years, has an experienced 7-3 center and good PG and still they are just a playoff team, not a championship team. It's all about on-floor chemistry, whether they like each other or not. And coaching.

As mentioend LeBron is the perfect example of why you DO tank. The woebegone nothing franchise is now good, playing in exciting playoff series, and will continue to be good so long as LeBron stays healthy and in his prime...which will only be for about the next 10-12 years or so. They are going to have shot after shot after shot, and every year will legitimately be one player away from a serious title run. And its because they have that cornerstone. Would still trade the whole team for LeBron. If Oden turns out to be what people think he is, would trade the whole team for him too. The NBA, of all sports leagues, is not a democracy. And unfortunately there are never enough true HOF franchise type guys to go around.

 

[ForlornKing]

Draft Thabeet!!!!!

 

[JJ_Evans]

One way ticket to the fastest plane to the NBA lottery. Thats where they are going.

 

[most_casual_observer]

First some facts then some observations. Solutions? Wow! Not this year, so far.

Observations

• Kings have no defense in paint
• Their go-to guys are competing with each other in the 4th
• Other than Kevin and Cisco they have no athleticism
• Coach can't find a decent rotation and it's NOT his fault
• No athleticism among the "bigs" (Corliss can bang but is only 6-6)

I, for one, admire your willingness to stand up for your son, Mrs. Musselman.

 

[CruzDude]

Well, I really don't think it is his fault. He was handed a poor poker hand and has two wanna-be leaders competiting neither of which are doing the job. Whata do? Sit either one in the 4th period?

And with Miller in the middle every team in the league will always outscore us in the paint. It is sad watching him trying to defend the athletic 4's and 5's.

Kevin is in a minor funk and seems to have lost a bit of his confidence and is deferring to Ron Ron and Bibby in crunch time. Salmons and Cisco are one the edge of getting out of their inconsistency but not quite.

Seems to me Coach is trying everything he can. KT is getting next to no time lately. Kings just don't have any bench players who are better than the group getting most of the time. Maybe it is time to play Williams more eating more of Miller minutes, and Douby and Cisco more minutes.... but at what position? They are 2/3, same as Kevin and Ron Ron.

We don't have the rebounding which means they can't run much.

The more I listen and watch, Kings need new-different blood. We have to give Coach a chance considering the poor hand he was dealt. Maybe the Maloofs are just cashing in this year to clear that $13.5M off the cap and may one or more of Miller-Bibby-KT-SAR.

For now gotta find someone to make stops and score in the 4th. Kings have now lost 5 away games when they were leading at the end of the 3rd. Ackkk!!!

 

[tyrant]

i think we're 1 good inside player away from title contention. and maybe at the expense of a few scrubs and brad miller. or at worst 2 of our 3 perimeter starters. either way i really dont think rebuilding through the draft is the answer. once you hit rock bottom there's no climbing out

 

[VF21]

Well, I really don't think it is his fault. He was handed a poor poker hand and has two wanna-be leaders competiting neither of which are doing the job. Whata do? Sit either one in the 4th period?

He could get Bibby and Artest on the same page... by showing LEADERSHIP and dedication to a defined identity for the TEAM.

And with Miller in the middle every team in the league will always outscore us in the paint. It is sad watching him trying to defend the athletic 4's and 5's.

Miller is one of the best passing big men from the post in the game today. A wise coach would find a way to utilize that more.

Kevin is in a minor funk and seems to have lost a bit of his confidence and is deferring to Ron Ron and Bibby in crunch time. Salmons and Cisco are one the edge of getting out of their inconsistency but not quite.

Kevin has no idea what his role is supposed to be. He's been pulled for no definable reason when he's scorching the opponent; he's been screamed at on the court as though he and he alone is the sole cause of the problems; he's been abandoned at the end of the bench and not even seen court time for extended periods of time for some minor mistake on the court. Can you blame him for being in a minor funk? He's not getting any kind of consistent message from the conductor of this symphonic cacaphony.

Seems to me Coach is trying everything he can. KT is getting next to no time lately. Kings just don't have any bench players who are better than the group getting most of the time. Maybe it is time to play Williams more eating more of Miller minutes, and Douby and Cisco more minutes.... but at what position? They are 2/3, same as Kevin and Ron Ron.

And that right there is part of the problem. He rarely allows a unit to get any kind of cohesiveness going; he's constantly shifting players and positions; he acts like he doesn't have a clue.

The more I listen and watch, Kings need new-different blood. We have to give Coach a chance considering the poor hand he was dealt. Maybe the Maloofs are just cashing in this year to clear that $13.5M off the cap and may one or more of Miller-Bibby-KT-SAR.

Yes, I agree. They need new blood and it looks inevitable that we'll get it. BUT that doesn't excuse Eric Musselman from blame for the present lackluster play and total identity void.

For now gotta find someone to make stops and score in the 4th. Kings have now lost 5 away games when they were leading at the end of the 3rd. Ackkk!!!

They've forgotten how to close out games, possibly because they do not trust each other and they don't really have any faith left in their own ability because, almost without exception, every player on the team has been yanked out of the game for no real reason. They don't know their roles; they don't know the pecking order; they don't have a clue what to expect form their coach.

 

[VF21]

i think we're 1 good inside player away from title contention. and maybe at the expense of a few scrubs and brad miller. or at worst 2 of our 3 perimeter starters. either way i really dont think rebuilding through the draft is the answer. once you hit rock bottom there's no climbing out

That's just silly, tyrant. The NBA is cyclic in nature.

 

[tyrant]

That's just silly, tyrant. The NBA is cyclic in nature.

tell me, when was the last time (if there's ever been a time) where an nba team that has gotten a top pick in the draft won the nba title?

 

[kennadog]

i think we're 1 good inside player away from title contention. and maybe at the expense of a few scrubs and brad miller. or at worst 2 of our 3 perimeter starters. either way i really dont think rebuilding through the draft is the answer. once you hit rock bottom there's no climbing out

Uh, the Kings did it. And so have many other teams . Maybe not as fast as you'd like, but it is most definitely possible to climb out.

 

[VF21]

tell me, when was the last time (if there's ever been a time) where an nba team that has gotten a top pick in the draft won the nba title?

I think San Antonio might fit the bill.

 

[Padrino]

tell me, when was the last time (if there's ever been a time) where an nba team that has gotten a top pick in the draft won the nba title?

the san antonio spurs drafted tim duncan with the number one pick in 1997, then went on to win championships in 1999, 2003, and 2005.

 

[tyrant]

Uh, the Kings did it. And so have many other teams . Maybe not as fast as you'd like, but it is most definitely possible to climb out.

an NBA title?

 

[fnordius]

an NBA title?

The Kings hit rock bottom and climbed out with help of the draft.

Lots of teams have. Remember when Dallas was the punching bag of the NBA?

 

[GoGoGadget]

i think we're 1 good inside player away from title contention. and maybe at the expense of a few scrubs and brad miller. or at worst 2 of our 3 perimeter starters. either way i really dont think rebuilding through the draft is the answer. once you hit rock bottom there's no climbing out

You can argue for days and days whether it's better to take the stairs, escalator or elevator, but they're all more effective climbing methods than running around in circles.

 

[Bricklayer]

How about last year's champ? From 26 wins or whatever to draft Wade to champ in 3 years.

BTW, modern #1s who have won the title for the team that drafted them (and I throw those qualifications in simply to address Shaq, who has 4 rings for the Lakers and Heat). Duncan = 3. Robinson = 2. Magic = 5(?). And then the rest: Zeke (#2) 2 titles, Hakeem (#2) 2 titles, Bird (#6) 3 titles, Jordan (#3) 6 titles. The ABA etc. messes things up before that, but you will also find Bill Walton, Kareem, Chamberlain etc. back there as #1s.

Its still the same exceptions every time -- this time with one addition. The recent Pistons, the exception which proves the rule. The Lakers mini-dynasty -- the Lakers stole somebody else's #1 (Shaq) in a way we never could. And in this list the 1982 Sixers, who grabbed up two old ABA stars to nab theirs.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

How about last year's champ? From 26 wins or whatever to draft Wade to champ in 3 years.

BTW, modern #1s who have won the title for the team that drafted them (and I throw those qualifications in simply to address Shaq, who has 4 rings for the Lakers and Heat). Duncan = 3. Robinson = 2. Magic = 5(?). And then the rest: Zeke (#2) 2 titles, Hakeem (#2) 2 titles, Bird (#6) 3 titles, Jordan (#3) 6 titles. The ABA etc. messes things up before that, but you will also find Bill Walton, Kareem, Chamberlain etc. back there as #1s.

Its still the same exceptions every time -- this time with one addition. The recent Pistons, the exception which proves the rule. The Lakers mini-dynasty -- the Lakers stole somebody else's #1 (Shaq) in a way we never could. And in this list the 1982 Sixers, who grabbed up two old ABA stars to nab theirs.

Dream was a #1 pick.

 

[Geoff]

But do you see Bill Russell around anywhere? I see GP and he's just a tad better.

It was 4 not 5. L-Train, Anthony Bonnor, Travis Mays, and ..... The one I can't remember...

Who were the standouts from that draft class?

 

[tjobrien]

Who were the standouts from that draft class?

Before the Kings first pick (#7), the following players were taken:
Derrick Coleman (#1)
Gary Payton (#2)
Chris Jackson (#3) (now Mahmoud Abdul Rauf)
Dennis Scott (#4)
Kendall Gill (#5)

Of course, those were taken before we had a pick. I don't know if it would have been possible to package 2-3 of our FOUR picks for a higher pick to get someone like Payton, but you never know.

After the Kings first pick:
Tyrone Hill (#11)
Terry Mills (#16)
Dee Brown (#19)
Jayson Williams (#21)
Elden Campbell (#27)
Toni Kukoc (#29 - now in Round 2)
Antonio Davis (#45)
Cedric Ceballos (#48)


Pretty horrible, when you think about it. I haven't heard of probably half the guys picked. Only a couple of those above even made all-star teams.

 

[Geoff]

Before the Kings first pick (#7), the following players were taken:
Derrick Coleman (#1)
Gary Payton (#2)
Chris Jackson (#3) (now Mahmoud Abdul Rauf)
Dennis Scott (#4)
Kendall Gill (#5)

Of course, those were taken before we had a pick. I don't know if it would have been possible to package 2-3 of our FOUR picks for a higher pick to get someone like Payton, but you never know.

After the Kings first pick:
Tyrone Hill (#11)
Terry Mills (#16)
Dee Brown (#19)
Jayson Williams (#21)
Elden Campbell (#27)
Toni Kukoc (#29 - now in Round 2)
Antonio Davis (#45)
Cedric Ceballos (#48)


Pretty horrible, when you think about it. I haven't heard of probably half the guys picked. Only a couple of those above even made all-star teams.

Dang, that was a pretty weak class. I guess you can't really compare that one and this one coming up if the best of that line was Gary Payton...