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Nikefutbolero
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what about bibby
What about retiring Bibby's number? (split from "about time" thread)
uolj
Starter
Not really close, in my opinion. He was just a good player for the Kings. A very important player in 2002 and 2003. There have been many like Bibby for the Kings over the years, not quite special enough to get a retired number.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
Down the road...not anytime soon...but I'd retire his jersey just for his shot in the Game 5, 2002!
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
And you really should avoid the urge to retire Bobby and Peja or Christie or whoever. You can't just retire numbers willy nilly or you won't have many left before long. Those guys were very good players for us, but you have to draw lines. Webb was clearly the greatest player we've ever had, so he's obvious. Vlade gets in for being the heart. But you can't just take everybody that was a good player on a good team. It has to be the unique guys.
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Kingzrool
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ZZE916
Bench
No way.
tyrant
Starter
HEY, some people need to ease up on bibby. the man was a tad overpaid. just a tad, but he was the 2nd best player on our "title team" of 2002. and set great examples during those years of how point gaurds should perform in the playoffs. now i dont think that we should retire his number because of the way he ended his career in sacto. not in a good and memorable way. not really strong enough on defense and his struggles shooting the ball. somewhat of a ray allen slump the past year and a half. but those are the ONLY reasons. the man has more N's than Mr. Billups
ikillz0mbies
Prospect
I'm on the fence with this one. Divac and Webber were on this team when it began to be a force in the Western Conference. Then Bibby came in and helped them reach the conference finals. But once Divac and Webber left, the Kings pretty much went downhill and never reached the finals or dominated the way they had when Divac and Webber were here. Bibby has been memorable for this team, especially the game winner against the Lakers on May 28th (my mom's birthday, which is why I will NEVER forget that shot). Vlade and Webber should get their numbers retired for sure because they were here since the beginning up to the years where they were the talk of the league. Bibby came in the middle, if you will. He is one of those players like Peja and Christie that have been great players for this team, but shouldn't have their numbers retired.
=LarryLegend=
Starter
What about Jackie Christie?
Kingzrool
Starter
Just a tad huh? 2nd best player over Divac and Peja????
Retiring Bibby's jersey would make a mockery of the whole thing. Please, just no.
Why?
Or, perhaps more to the point:
Or, perhaps more to the point:
What about Bibby?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Well in the WCF he certainly was, which is likely what he meant.
But he's still not at the level of a guy where you retire his number.
As an aside, assuming these current sporting leagues are permanent fixtures now, does make you wonder a bit what they are going to do in a hundred years or so about retired numbers. Is everybody just going to be wearing numbers in the hundreds then? Or so they start "unretiring" some of the old timers?
Agreed.
Insomniacal Fan
Starter
They could also move over to a number system with a higher base, like hexadecimal notation.
Jerryaki
Starter
PurpleHaze
All-Star
Mike Bibby has retired? I always thought he had prematurely aged of late and would at least play one more year to get last $13.5 million on his contract. He should not have his # retired by the Kings IMO. I'd want #24 Reggie Theus (not #24 Bobby Jackson) retired before Bibby.
I always thought he had prematurely aged of late and would at least play one more year to get last $13.5 million on his contract. He should not have his # retired by the Kings IMO. I'd want #24 Reggie Theus (not #24 Bobby Jackson) retired before Bibby.
Wha?
No he hasn't. Stojakovic hasn't scored the most points in franchise history; and even if you only count the Sacramento-era franchise history, he's a distant second.
AyeCarly
G-League
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
mike was my favorite player on that team .. so im on his side with this one .. you can argue that as the point guard he ment more to the team then vlade did but at the same time less then webber .. he was incredibly clutch.. i'd do it.
say what you will about having 'to many retired numbers' but then remember we retired the number 6 for the fans .. then take the celtics for example ...they have by far way more retired jerseys then any team and they dont have problems finding numbers for people ... i think the point guard of the best team this franchise have ever seen at least has an arguement
say what you will about having 'to many retired numbers' but then remember we retired the number 6 for the fans .. then take the celtics for example ...they have by far way more retired jerseys then any team and they dont have problems finding numbers for people ... i think the point guard of the best team this franchise have ever seen at least has an arguement
JerN820
Bench
No. I am a big Bibby fan too but he was just a solid player. You have to be a special player to get your number retired. C Webb for sure b/c like someone else said, he's the best player this franchise has had at least since the team has been in Sacramento. I think Vlade may be in too, though I am a little bit on the fence with that one.
uolj
Starter
It's not really about having enough numbers. It's about not watering down the meaning of jersey retirement.
Bibby was an integral part of the team from 2001-2004 when they had their chance. But that was only part of the era. When Webber, Divac and Adelman arrived in 1999, that's when it really started (I'd retire Adelman's number too if he had one). Bibby didn't bring a new attitude to the team. He didn't bring new excitement. He didn't define the team. He wasn't the face of the team. He played well for them and was very important in the 2002 playoff run, that's about it.
Retiring Divac's and Webber's jerseys isn't about honoring the 2002 playoffs. It's about honoring what those guys did specifically, and about what the team that played from 1999 to 2004 brought to Sacramento. Bibby doesn't have enough in either category.
Bibby was an integral part of the team from 2001-2004 when they had their chance. But that was only part of the era. When Webber, Divac and Adelman arrived in 1999, that's when it really started (I'd retire Adelman's number too if he had one). Bibby didn't bring a new attitude to the team. He didn't bring new excitement. He didn't define the team. He wasn't the face of the team. He played well for them and was very important in the 2002 playoff run, that's about it.
Retiring Divac's and Webber's jerseys isn't about honoring the 2002 playoffs. It's about honoring what those guys did specifically, and about what the team that played from 1999 to 2004 brought to Sacramento. Bibby doesn't have enough in either category.
ikillz0mbies
Prospect
Peja
Bench
Wha?
No he hasn't. Stojakovic hasn't scored the most points in franchise history; and even if you only count the Sacramento-era franchise history, he's a distant second.
My mistake.He played in more games than any other player since the team came to Sacramento!He played 518 times and the second is Richmond.So yah,Peja has the most games,that was my point.
Anyhow,who is the best scorer in Sacramento era?
uolj
Starter
Elise10
Starter
No.
Webb and Vlade should definitely get their jerseys retired. It'll just get out of hand once they start going down the line from there. You retire Mike's jersey, next Peja fans will be up in arms. You retire Peja's, who's to say that Christie fans wouldn't want his too (for his defense). After Doug, then JWill and Bobby and the bench mob too.
You could always do like other NBA teams and hang a banner instead for the remainder of players you wish to honor for that era.
Just because you retire a jersey, doesn't necessarily mean that the number can never be used again. Ask the Lakers with Andrew Bynum's number and Shaq before him.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20041121/ai_n11486880
Webb and Vlade should definitely get their jerseys retired. It'll just get out of hand once they start going down the line from there. You retire Mike's jersey, next Peja fans will be up in arms. You retire Peja's, who's to say that Christie fans wouldn't want his too (for his defense). After Doug, then JWill and Bobby and the bench mob too.
You could always do like other NBA teams and hang a banner instead for the remainder of players you wish to honor for that era.
Just because you retire a jersey, doesn't necessarily mean that the number can never be used again. Ask the Lakers with Andrew Bynum's number and Shaq before him.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20041121/ai_n11486880
ikillz0mbies
Prospect
It should just be Webber and Divac just because they were part of the team since the beginning.
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