What About Cuttino's Future
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Maybe I misread his style/swagger, but it doesn't seem to me that he wants to be in Sacramento. In any event I don't think he plays Sacto style ball. I've felt that way ever since he came here. How long can you go not really contributing until the 4th quarter. That has to have an effect on the rest of the team. Come on, these guys are professional and getting paid lots of money. If you can score in the 4th quarter, why can't you score in the other three. Oh yea, because you make a feable effort to play "team" ball for 3 qtrs. and then you give up and just jack up shots.
Bingo! Tyson Chandler is the answer. 7'2" of lean mean athleticism who has improved by literally leaps and bounds this year. He is a rebounding nightmare for anybody playing him. Add AK47 to the mix and there's your NBA championship. Oh and while we're at it add Flip Saunders as your coach.
...I can dream can't I....
...I can dream can't I....
I continue to be amazed at the facination with the losingest playoff basketball coach in recent memory.
As far as Chandler or AK (
) go, sure. Now all you have to do is go and somehow convince their current teams to part with them. Remember last summer we were talking on this board a bit about Peja for AK, and a) not everybody wanted to do it (oops) and b) even then, the consensus was that AK may already have surpassed Peja in value. Another year and more playoff struggles certainly haven't equalized things any. Nor has AK averaging an utterly ridiculous 3 blocks a game while healthy this year. And Chandler for random parts? Why would they ever do that? Its hard to get guys who have already emerged unless you have some serious talent to offer back the other way. Now on the other hand Skiles used to coach Peja....but you have to really think about a move like that.
As far as Chandler or AK (
) go, sure. Now all you have to do is go and somehow convince their current teams to part with them. Remember last summer we were talking on this board a bit about Peja for AK, and a) not everybody wanted to do it (oops) and b) even then, the consensus was that AK may already have surpassed Peja in value. Another year and more playoff struggles certainly haven't equalized things any. Nor has AK averaging an utterly ridiculous 3 blocks a game while healthy this year. And Chandler for random parts? Why would they ever do that? Its hard to get guys who have already emerged unless you have some serious talent to offer back the other way. Now on the other hand Skiles used to coach Peja....but you have to really think about a move like that.
Do we have a choice as to keep Mobley - we pretty much have to. Mike and Brad's contracts have locked us out of salary cap room for the next while, and pretty soon we have to give Peja a deal. Meanwhile, as much as I would love to trade Corliss and some Coors Light to the Jazz for AK, I don't think its going to happen. If we let Mobley go, that's it, we've let Mobley go...we can't really go after anyone else.
After the C-Webb trade we were talking about packaging those guys eventually, and a sign and trade might work with either Bobby or Mobley plus Corliss, Kenny, or Skinner, but I think the rules are such that a sign and trade guy has to be dealt by himself, anyone know about that one?
Would love to deal Mobley for Chandler, but would the Bulls do it since they have Ben Gordon? Nope. Not to mention, do we really need a guy with a bad back on this team?
After the C-Webb trade we were talking about packaging those guys eventually, and a sign and trade might work with either Bobby or Mobley plus Corliss, Kenny, or Skinner, but I think the rules are such that a sign and trade guy has to be dealt by himself, anyone know about that one?
Would love to deal Mobley for Chandler, but would the Bulls do it since they have Ben Gordon? Nope. Not to mention, do we really need a guy with a bad back on this team?
What exactly is "Sacto style ball"? We all know what it used to be, but a lot has changed in the past 3 months. This isn't the same team.
Besides that, when Chris was still here, Cuttino didn't disrupt the offense at all. I think that anyone that can shoot would fit in the offense that we used to run. Now that we don't have a big man running it, a player who can create his own shot is a valuable commodity to us.
That having been said, I think Cuttino forces that action too much, and he's undersized for the position. I wouldn't mind him being our first option off the bench, but he's not the right way for us to go at starting two guard, I don't think.
Besides that, when Chris was still here, Cuttino didn't disrupt the offense at all. I think that anyone that can shoot would fit in the offense that we used to run. Now that we don't have a big man running it, a player who can create his own shot is a valuable commodity to us.
That having been said, I think Cuttino forces that action too much, and he's undersized for the position. I wouldn't mind him being our first option off the bench, but he's not the right way for us to go at starting two guard, I don't think.
I am on the fence with Mobley. He is a defensive liability. He also is a poor passer. To be honest, our biggest defensive problem is Miller. He has trouble with the biggest guys because of his lack of heft and short arms. He has trouble with the smaller guys because he's slow and can't jump. I don't see him or Bibby going anywhere. If we can get a more athletic SF, then we can maybe keep Mobley. However, if Peja puts in a decent game or two, he will be staying. Size wise, Skinner makes a better PF, but he has no outside shot. Thomas is a lot of money for a backup SF. It's a mess. I don't envy Petrie at all.
What about a defensive minded OG that can still put up 15 to 20 ppg and 5 to 10 reb. How about Mr. Artest at OG sending Mobley to Indiana to replace the retiring Miller and throw in a 2nd rd draft pick or something if the money don't match up. Then we can send Kenny Thomas and the 1st round pick to Toronto for Chris Bosh Might have to give a little more such as Corlis or Daniels or something.
Bibby/Jackson/House
Artest/Mo/Jackson/Martin
Peja/Artest/Mo/Martin
Bosh/Songaila/Skinner
Miller/Skinner/Songalia/Ostertag
I know you are asking why would Toronto give up Bosh. Well its not like they are doing anything with him there they might as well try again with 2 first rounders and KT and Big Nasty
Bibby/Jackson/House
Artest/Mo/Jackson/Martin
Peja/Artest/Mo/Martin
Bosh/Songaila/Skinner
Miller/Skinner/Songalia/Ostertag
I know you are asking why would Toronto give up Bosh. Well its not like they are doing anything with him there they might as well try again with 2 first rounders and KT and Big Nasty
i know Bosh is a stretch but Mobley and Corlis for Artest would answer our prayers and Indianas. I am sure they are ready to see him go and will miller going out Mobley would step right in and Corlis could be that Backup for Oneal and Jackson. We do have adress the PF position bigtime. But moreso we can't go another season with Mobley and Peja together. I vote out Moelbey because Peja can be something when he wants to be. Not to Mention Artest doesn't lose us any offense in fact he is about the same and gains in reb. I am sure he can pass better than the cat.
No matter how much of a homer anybody is. they have to see that either the 2,3, or 4 has to go, maybe even 2 of them. Free Agents are going to be hard to get with our cap space. So trading is the way to go. So for all you ppl wanting Swift and whoever that are free agents give it up we don't have money to spend. Unless they want the MLE.
No matter how much of a homer anybody is. they have to see that either the 2,3, or 4 has to go, maybe even 2 of them. Free Agents are going to be hard to get with our cap space. So trading is the way to go. So for all you ppl wanting Swift and whoever that are free agents give it up we don't have money to spend. Unless they want the MLE.
You know how when we use the "f" word, or the "s-h" word, it only shows up as stars? Is there any way we can make it so when someone writes the word Artest, it just shows up ******?
Seriously, what is Kings fans' love affair with this guy all about? Yes, he plays defense. Yes, he WAS the defensive player of the year.
He's also a lunatic, a lockerroom cancer, and a braindead turd who thinks he has a better shot at a rap deal than a championship.
Ron Artest is a loser, and I'm glad he will never be a King.
Seriously, what is Kings fans' love affair with this guy all about? Yes, he plays defense. Yes, he WAS the defensive player of the year.
He's also a lunatic, a lockerroom cancer, and a braindead turd who thinks he has a better shot at a rap deal than a championship.
Ron Artest is a loser, and I'm glad he will never be a King.
I think we should look at someone like Shane Battier for a two guard. He is young, an excellent defender, decent shooting range, and overall good person. I think it would be tough to trade for him though, but Memphis is stacked with good 2's and 3's. I wouldn't mind seeing a deal for James Posey either.
Thing is though, that most of those guys are probably just going to be signed to max extensions at some point this summer (Gooden/Nene aside).
Speaking of Nene -- much as I have said he is overrated, indeed still believe he is -- and as much as I find his name thing to be ridiculous low class wannabe, I have seen some things out of him this year that have impressed me -- might have the skill level to make some noise in our system, along with a postgame and (this year finally) some rebounding.
In fact if we did nothing more dramatic this offseason with that PF spot than found a way to get Nene, and maybe spent the exception on Kwame Brown -- two young, multitalented 6'11" guys at PF who have yet to blossom, I would be pretty excited. Let it be an open audition between two young guys with potential upside. No guarantees, but it would restore size, youth, athleticism, hope and potential at the position. And if either kid took off, we'd be smelling like roses.
Speaking of Nene -- much as I have said he is overrated, indeed still believe he is -- and as much as I find his name thing to be ridiculous low class wannabe, I have seen some things out of him this year that have impressed me -- might have the skill level to make some noise in our system, along with a postgame and (this year finally) some rebounding.
In fact if we did nothing more dramatic this offseason with that PF spot than found a way to get Nene, and maybe spent the exception on Kwame Brown -- two young, multitalented 6'11" guys at PF who have yet to blossom, I would be pretty excited. Let it be an open audition between two young guys with potential upside. No guarantees, but it would restore size, youth, athleticism, hope and potential at the position. And if either kid took off, we'd be smelling like roses.
All of that sounds good to me. Obviously, our biggest problems are at the power forward spot, as it's not easy to fill the void that Chris left and/or add some defense and athleticism at that spot.
However, we still need to address that swingman position - desperately. It's the reason this thread was started. I'd be okay with leaving Cuttino and Peja in the starting lineup together, as long as we had a hybrid player who could score and defend off the bench. A little rebounding wouldn't hurt, either. I'm talking (and excuse me for bringing up such a sour subject... again) a "Jim Jackson meets Dahntay Jones" type of player. Who's available?
Our options are limited, especially if we're considering giving Cuttino some money this summer. We only have the mid-level exception to work with, unless I'm mistaken. Kenny Thomas and Corliss Williamson are definitely expendable, but what can we get for them? I'd rather keep Songaila around if we can bring in a shot-alterer, but if not, he's expendable as well. Bobby might be expendable if he can bring us some of what we need.
Like Sparky said, I don't envy Geoff Petrie at all. Not one bit. Unless we're talking about his paycheck, in which case it's a different story.
However, we still need to address that swingman position - desperately. It's the reason this thread was started. I'd be okay with leaving Cuttino and Peja in the starting lineup together, as long as we had a hybrid player who could score and defend off the bench. A little rebounding wouldn't hurt, either. I'm talking (and excuse me for bringing up such a sour subject... again) a "Jim Jackson meets Dahntay Jones" type of player. Who's available?
Our options are limited, especially if we're considering giving Cuttino some money this summer. We only have the mid-level exception to work with, unless I'm mistaken. Kenny Thomas and Corliss Williamson are definitely expendable, but what can we get for them? I'd rather keep Songaila around if we can bring in a shot-alterer, but if not, he's expendable as well. Bobby might be expendable if he can bring us some of what we need.
Like Sparky said, I don't envy Geoff Petrie at all. Not one bit. Unless we're talking about his paycheck, in which case it's a different story.