Welcome Jordan Farmar

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/09/13/report-jordan-farmar-signs-deal-with-sacramento-kings/


Note the author's casual mention that Collison is expected to receive a 20+ game suspension. :eek:

I find that hard to believe and suspect its just a writer quickly generalizing, maybe from the Jeff Taylor thing, without much thought, as opposed to insider knowledge, but still. That would be why you sign a Jordan Farmar -- to get a professional level backup to fill in for a prolonged Collison absence. If so we'd still have to have room on the 15 man roster however, as I don't think a guy being suspended gives you an extra slot. That still suggests an upcoming 2 for 1 trade, or a Ben dump for a pick or some such.
 
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/09/13/report-jordan-farmar-signs-deal-with-sacramento-kings/


Note the author's casual mention that Collison is expected to receive a 20+ game suspension. :eek:

I find that hard to believe and suspect its just a writer quickly generalizing, maybe from the Jeff Taylor thing, without much thought, as opposed to insider knowledge, but still. That would be why you sign a Jordan Farmar -- to get a professional level backup to fill in for a prolonged Collison absence. If so we'd still have to have room on the 15 man roster however, as I don't think a guy being suspended gives you an extra slot. That still suggests an upcoming 2 for 1 trade, or a Ben dump for a pick or some such.

I still have the over/under on Collison's suspension at 10 games.

In year's past the under is a smart bet but I wonder if this will be a knee jerk response from the league office due to the PR disaster the NFL had from botching the Ray Rice incident. Domestic violence is abhorrent and one of those things I hate. But not all instances are the same. From what hte PD put out it doesn't sound like anything nearly as repugnant as Rice knocking his fiancee out in an elevator.

We'll see.
 
Whatever...another mediocre vet. Point guard by committee is what you're relegated to when you don't have quality at the position.

If this is what Vlade has in mind for the upcoming season's roster, he should not waste his time, or ours for that matter. It's not happening, man. Is Vlade going to wait and hope and wonder how this roster does in the first 40 games, only to have less leverage in a trade deal than he does now? This is what we continually see - an organization that waits until it's backed into a corner with no food or water and no means of escape asking in faint voice: Can we please make a deal?
 
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Whatever...another mediocre vet. Point guard by committee is what you're relegated to when you don't have quality at the position.

If this is what Vlade has in mind for the upcoming season's roster, he should not waste his time, or ours for that matter. It's not happening, man. Is Vlade going to wait and hope and wonder how this roster does in the first 40 games, only to have less leverage in a trade deal than he does now? This is what we continually see - an organization that waits until it's backed into a corner with no food or water and no means of escape asking in faint voice: Can we please make a deal?
Not the greatest point guard but What else was really there?
 
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/09/13/report-jordan-farmar-signs-deal-with-sacramento-kings/


Note the author's casual mention that Collison is expected to receive a 20+ game suspension. :eek:

I find that hard to believe and suspect its just a writer quickly generalizing, maybe from the Jeff Taylor thing, without much thought, as opposed to insider knowledge, but still. That would be why you sign a Jordan Farmar -- to get a professional level backup to fill in for a prolonged Collison absence. If so we'd still have to have room on the 15 man roster however, as I don't think a guy being suspended gives you an extra slot. That still suggests an upcoming 2 for 1 trade, or a Ben dump for a pick or some such.

The Kings all of the sudden signing Point Guards left and right make you wonder if they already have an ideal how long DC suspension will be and maybe it will be bordering the 10-20 game area. :eek:

Farmar is a good insurance policy on the cheap and played well for Coach Joeger last year.

I have a feeling that Ty Lawson will have a resurgence on the Kings. If DC is suspended somewhere in the 10-20 game range and the Kings get off to a good start, i.e. 7-3 or 6-4 start, I can see Lawson taking over the starting PG.
 
It is simple to me ,if only a 5 game suspension keep the best PG from Camp - Ty,Jordan, or Icuz then cut the other two and cut Lamar Use Temple as back up for 5 days

If it is 20 game suspension keep the best two of the three PG , Cut one PG, Lamar and either trade Ben for a pic or release him

You dont use Temple as PG for 20 games unless you cant cut or trade Ben
 
Whatever...another mediocre vet. Point guard by committee is what you're relegated to when you don't have quality at the position.

If this is what Vlade has in mind for the upcoming season's roster, he should not waste his time, or ours for that matter. It's not happening, man. Is Vlade going to wait and hope and wonder how this roster does in the first 40 games, only to have less leverage in a trade deal than he does now? This is what we continually see - an organization that waits until it's backed into a corner with no food or water and no means of escape asking in faint voice: Can we please make a deal?

Let's actually examine this, here is as good as any place.

Ok, so last year we have this coach:

George Karl

and this roster (players in red no longer here):

Cousins
Koufos
Cauley-Stein (rookie)
Acy
Moreland
Dukan (rookie)

Gay
Casspi
Butler
Belinelli

McLemore
Anderson
Curry (rookie)
Rondo

Collison

So now we come into this season and this is our coach:

Dave Joerger

and this is our roster (players in red are new):

Cousins
Koufos
Papagiannis (rookie)
Cauley-Stein
Tolliver
Labissiere (rookie)
Barnes

Gay
Casspi
Patterson
Afflalo

McLemore
Richardson (rookie)
Temple

Collison
Lawson
Farmar



And yet people are sincerely pissing and moaning about this new roster like its some enormous stepdown. Let's look at the changes.

1) George Karl --> Dave Joerger
Even the remaining Karlites have to admit, if nothing else he and the team were not on the same page last year. A significant part of our theory this summer seems to run on this simple formula: we won fewer games last year than we should have because of coaching or coach/star/team clash. If we had merely hired an average coach, and kept the same roster, we would have gotten better just by cleaning the poison from the air. We in fact hired a very good coach, one who we expect to win more than an average coach. So 33 wins (which might have been 35 or so if we play Cuz the last few weeks), + wins we lost to coach feud last year + wins we get for having a good coach in Joerger = ??? If we say that the team quitting on Karl only cost us 3 wins, which is a very dubious number, that's 38. If we say Dave Joerger is only worth 3 more wins than an average coach, which is also dubious, that's 41. If we cross our fingers and hope Boogie can actually play in 72+ games this year...

2) Acy --> Tolliver
I like Quincy Acy. last year he even made an oncourt contribution after his first stint with us was statistically pretty empty. That said is there anyone out there actually arguing that Quincy's career 4.5pts 3.6reb 12.6PER is so superior to Tolliver's career 6.0pts 3.5reb 11.0PER that its going to somehow scuttle our season?

3) Butler --> Barnes
Caron played much of last season with a giant fork stuck in his back, and then was in some sort of feud with Karl to boot. End result = not a contributor. Meanwhile Barnes was still chugging along last year, averaging 10.0pts 5.5rebs in 76 games for the same coach we now have coaching the Kings, and still feisty on defense. This should be an easy and obvious upgrade.

4) Belinelli --> Afflalo
While Bels might have seemed like a good idea, last year was such a disaster with him that even if you absolutely despise Arron Afflalo beyond all reason, how could this be a downgrade? Answer: it can't. In fact with just any sort of normal Afflalo performance it will be a significant upgrade over what Bels gave us last year.

5) Anderson/Curry/Rondo --> Temple/Farmar/Lawson
Anderson was of course just bad. Temple is a whole other level of long roleplayer. I liked Seth Curry, think we should have kept him, but thanks to Karl Seth's contributions last year were limited to 6.8pts 1.4reb 1.5ast in 44 games. That's a PER of 13.6 BTW. Farmar's 500 game career PER is 13.3 (and was 13.2 last year). Which brings us to maybe the question. Some people have been trying to convince me all summer long that our Rondo resuscitation did not work and that he was the first guy in history to lead the league in assists and not be effective. Well, if true, then we have no problem here. But even if not true, late in the summer Vlade may have opened up the same possibilities again. Like Rondo, a revived Lawson is a good PG in this league. We'll see.

6) then that leaves rookies and scrubs
Moreland/Dukan --> Patterson, Papa, Skal, Richardson
and there's just no way you can tell me that the first two there are more talented or have more chance to help than the guys we have this year.


So where is this huge woe is us problem again? Step by step by step comparatively, the talent isn't any worse, and the only place where we may take a hit is with Rondo. That bothers me, but we are actively gaining in multiple other spots, including hopefully the coach. If Vlade's basic coach calculus -- we should have won more last year, did not because of Karl, and we should win more this year because of Joerger -- is correct, there's nothing stopping this team from being respectable if Joerger can reach them.
 
Let's actually examine this, here is as good as any place.

Ok, so last year we have this coach:

George Karl

and this roster (players in red no longer here):

Cousins
Koufos
Cauley-Stein (rookie)
Acy
Moreland
Dukan (rookie)

Gay
Casspi
Butler
Belinelli

McLemore
Anderson
Curry (rookie)
Rondo

Collison

So now we come into this season and this is our coach:

Dave Joerger

and this is our roster (players in red are new):

Cousins
Koufos
Papagiannis (rookie)
Cauley-Stein
Tolliver
Labissiere (rookie)
Barnes

Gay
Casspi
Patterson
Afflalo

McLemore
Richardson (rookie)
Temple

Collison
Lawson
Farmar



And yet people are sincerely pissing and moaning about this new roster like its some enormous stepdown. Let's look at the changes.

1) George Karl --> Dave Joerger
Even the remaining Karlites have to admit, if nothing else he and the team were not on the same page last year. A significant part of our theory this summer seems to run on this simple formula: we won fewer games last year than we should have because of coaching or coach/star/team clash. If we had merely hired an average coach, and kept the same roster, we would have gotten better just by cleaning the poison from the air. We in fact hired a very good coach, one who we expect to win more than an average coach. So 33 wins (which might have been 35 or so if we play Cuz the last few weeks), + wins we lost to coach feud last year + wins we get for having a good coach in Joerger = ??? If we say that the team quitting on Karl only cost us 3 wins, which is a very dubious number, that's 38. If we say Dave Joerger is only worth 3 more wins than an average coach, which is also dubious, that's 41. If we cross our fingers and hope Boogie can actually play in 72+ games this year...

2) Acy --> Tolliver
I like Quincy Acy. last year he even made an oncourt contribution after his first stint with us was statistically pretty empty. That said is there anyone out there actually arguing that Quincy's career 4.5pts 3.6reb 12.6PER is so superior to Tolliver's career 6.0pts 3.5reb 11.0PER that its going to somehow scuttle our season?

3) Butler --> Barnes
Caron played much of last season with a giant fork stuck in his back, and then was in some sort of feud with Karl to boot. End result = not a contributor. Meanwhile Barnes was still chugging along last year, averaging 10.0pts 5.5rebs in 76 games for the same coach we now have coaching the Kings, and still feisty on defense. This should be an easy and obvious upgrade.

4) Belinelli --> Afflalo
While Bels might have seemed like a good idea, last year was such a disaster with him that even if you absolutely despise Arron Afflalo beyond all reason, how could this be a downgrade? Answer: it can't. In fact with just any sort of normal Afflalo performance it will be a significant upgrade over what Bels gave us last year.

5) Anderson/Curry/Rondo --> Temple/Farmar/Lawson
Anderson was of course just bad. Temple is a whole other level of long roleplayer. I liked Seth Curry, think we should have kept him, but thanks to Karl Seth's contributions last year were limited to 6.8pts 1.4reb 1.5ast in 44 games. That's a PER of 13.6 BTW. Farmar's 500 game career PER is 13.3 (and was 13.2 last year). Which brings us to maybe the question. Some people have been trying to convince me all summer long that our Rondo resuscitation did not work and that he was the first guy in history to lead the league in assists and not be effective. Well, if true, then we have no problem here. But even if not true, late in the summer Vlade may have opened up the same possibilities again. Like Rondo, a revived Lawson is a good PG in this league. We'll see.

6) then that leaves rookies and scrubs
Moreland/Dukan --> Patterson, Papa, Skal, Richardson
and there's just no way you can tell me that the first two there are more talented or have more chance to help than the guys we have this year.


So where is this huge woe is us problem again? Step by step by step comparatively, the talent isn't any worse, and the only place where we may take a hit is with Rondo. That bothers me, but we are actively gaining in multiple other spots, including hopefully the coach. If Vlade's basic coach calculus -- we should have won more last year, did not because of Karl, and we should win more this year because of Joerger -- is correct, there's nothing stopping this team from being respectable if Joerger can reach them.

That's what I'm saying. On paper I don't see how this team is "much worse" than last years. It's fine
 
I know people focus on offense quite a bit when comparing players....but how much better is our defense going to be? The improvement from last year to this year in defense is the wild card in how the season goes.

This is what excites me and gives me hope. Got a defensive coach. We got length which greatly enhances the opportunity to switch on D. Koufos' value increases as he will be used correctly. WCS will get great tutelage. We have interchangeable parts and different role players we can plug in. An ability to defend as a team will lead us to the playoffs......that's how much I believe in defense.
 
I know people focus on offense quite a bit when comparing players....but how much better is our defense going to be? The improvement from last year to this year in defense is the wild card in how the season goes.

This is what excites me and gives me hope. Got a defensive coach. We got length which greatly enhances the opportunity to switch on D. Koufos' value increases as he will be used correctly. WCS will get great tutelage. We have interchangeable parts and different role players we can plug in. An ability to defend as a team will lead us to the playoffs......that's how much I believe in defense.
I'm a bit old school and love defense. If I could match any modern team to a past team in a playoff series it would be Golden State vs the late 80's Pistons. Some say GS is a good defensive squad but what I see makes them win most is a consistent uncontested raining down of 3's.
Seeing as how we had no way to stop them the last few years in any capacity, I am so happy to see that Vivek has a gag order in place and we have a coach that believes in shutting other teams down.
 
Let's actually examine this, here is as good as any place.

Ok, so last year we have this coach:

George Karl

and this roster (players in red no longer here):

Cousins
Koufos
Cauley-Stein (rookie)
Acy
Moreland
Dukan (rookie)

Gay
Casspi
Butler
Belinelli

McLemore
Anderson
Curry (rookie)
Rondo

Collison

So now we come into this season and this is our coach:

Dave Joerger

and this is our roster (players in red are new):

Cousins
Koufos
Papagiannis (rookie)
Cauley-Stein
Tolliver
Labissiere (rookie)
Barnes

Gay
Casspi
Patterson
Afflalo

McLemore
Richardson (rookie)
Temple

Collison
Lawson
Farmar



And yet people are sincerely pissing and moaning about this new roster like its some enormous stepdown. Let's look at the changes.

1) George Karl --> Dave Joerger
Even the remaining Karlites have to admit, if nothing else he and the team were not on the same page last year. A significant part of our theory this summer seems to run on this simple formula: we won fewer games last year than we should have because of coaching or coach/star/team clash. If we had merely hired an average coach, and kept the same roster, we would have gotten better just by cleaning the poison from the air. We in fact hired a very good coach, one who we expect to win more than an average coach. So 33 wins (which might have been 35 or so if we play Cuz the last few weeks), + wins we lost to coach feud last year + wins we get for having a good coach in Joerger = ??? If we say that the team quitting on Karl only cost us 3 wins, which is a very dubious number, that's 38. If we say Dave Joerger is only worth 3 more wins than an average coach, which is also dubious, that's 41. If we cross our fingers and hope Boogie can actually play in 72+ games this year...

2) Acy --> Tolliver
I like Quincy Acy. last year he even made an oncourt contribution after his first stint with us was statistically pretty empty. That said is there anyone out there actually arguing that Quincy's career 4.5pts 3.6reb 12.6PER is so superior to Tolliver's career 6.0pts 3.5reb 11.0PER that its going to somehow scuttle our season?

3) Butler --> Barnes
Caron played much of last season with a giant fork stuck in his back, and then was in some sort of feud with Karl to boot. End result = not a contributor. Meanwhile Barnes was still chugging along last year, averaging 10.0pts 5.5rebs in 76 games for the same coach we now have coaching the Kings, and still feisty on defense. This should be an easy and obvious upgrade.

4) Belinelli --> Afflalo
While Bels might have seemed like a good idea, last year was such a disaster with him that even if you absolutely despise Arron Afflalo beyond all reason, how could this be a downgrade? Answer: it can't. In fact with just any sort of normal Afflalo performance it will be a significant upgrade over what Bels gave us last year.

5) Anderson/Curry/Rondo --> Temple/Farmar/Lawson
Anderson was of course just bad. Temple is a whole other level of long roleplayer. I liked Seth Curry, think we should have kept him, but thanks to Karl Seth's contributions last year were limited to 6.8pts 1.4reb 1.5ast in 44 games. That's a PER of 13.6 BTW. Farmar's 500 game career PER is 13.3 (and was 13.2 last year). Which brings us to maybe the question. Some people have been trying to convince me all summer long that our Rondo resuscitation did not work and that he was the first guy in history to lead the league in assists and not be effective. Well, if true, then we have no problem here. But even if not true, late in the summer Vlade may have opened up the same possibilities again. Like Rondo, a revived Lawson is a good PG in this league. We'll see.

6) then that leaves rookies and scrubs
Moreland/Dukan --> Patterson, Papa, Skal, Richardson
and there's just no way you can tell me that the first two there are more talented or have more chance to help than the guys we have this year.


So where is this huge woe is us problem again? Step by step by step comparatively, the talent isn't any worse, and the only place where we may take a hit is with Rondo. That bothers me, but we are actively gaining in multiple other spots, including hopefully the coach. If Vlade's basic coach calculus -- we should have won more last year, did not because of Karl, and we should win more this year because of Joerger -- is correct, there's nothing stopping this team from being respectable if Joerger can reach them.

By now we all know this argument of how our team got slightly better with the new additions. Sure we could debate, if your assessment of Afflalo (who was so awful for Portland, that they decided to move on and to hand over the keys to an unproven, slightly undersized combo guard and a raw SG prospect, who both were known to be overwhelmed on defense from time to time, while the player you see in Afflalo should be a much better fit in theory next to an offense first PG like Lillard) is on point or not or if Tolliver is truly better than Acy, but most of us will agree with what you wrote. Nevertheless this is not the only way to look at the team.

Our own team development doesn't happen in a vacuum. We have to take the new makeup of the teams into account, that will try to make it to the 8th seed in the West this year.
I think we all agree, that last year was a down year in the West aside from the dominating teams and true title contenders. The Clippers weren't healthy, the Rockets severely underperformed, the Grizzlies core collapsed entirely, the Pelicans had their usual injury problems, the Jazz came up short again. Meanwhile Portland certainly overperformed and exceeded all expectations. And the Mavs? Well the Mavs were the Mavs and once again found a way to sneak in and nobody understood how they did it afterwards.


With so many teams not meeting their expectations the offseason went as should be expected - there was quite a bit of activity in order to get better.

I think Utah had one of the best offseasons: the added George Hill, Boris Diaw and Joe Johnson, while only loosing Trevor Booker. Their defensive core of Favors, Gobert, Hayward was already stellar. Now they have one of the best defensive PG's too. Booker will be missed by some fans, but Diaw and Lyles are more than capable to exceed Bookers contribution on the court. And oh - Exum may be finally healthy again.
Talentwise the Jazz are superior to the Kings outside the center position. And because I'm a huge fan of Joerger I give him the edge over Snyder, who isn't a bad coach per se.

The Pelicans are hoping, that Evans, Holiday and AD can finally stay healthy and mostly added complimentary pieces roughly in the same age class. Sadly Holiday will miss a part of the season again and you just can't count on AD's health anymore. So the Pel's are a bit of a wildcard. If all goes well, they are slightly more talented than the Kings, but due to their coaching choice, I would bet on the Kings. Nontheless I like the additions of Solomon Hill, Moore, Jones and Galloway. Lance Stephenson makes sense, when you expect Evans to miss a significant number of games again. With Gordon and Anderson gone the defense will improve. It remains to be seen, if they somehow can replace their offensive production.

The Grizzlies? Once again everyone around the league told them it's time to end "Grit and Grind" and to finally rebuild. Once again they decided to give it another go. Barring an epic coaching screw up or severe injury problems it will be enough to make the Playoffs.

Timberwolves? Unproven but talented beyond belief and with a seasoned coach. Hard to believe, that the Timberwolves won't get better.

Denver? Don't rule them out. Malone won't tank and there is quite a bit of talent on the roster to work with. Still their inexperience at the PG position makes it hard to believe, that they can compete for the 8th, but who knows, how Mudiay will perform in his second year.

Rockets? If they somehow find a way to play some defense, they are a lock for the Playoffs. But that's a big if, when your star is James Harden and you want Ryan Anderson to play alongside him.

Mavs? Do they finally break down? I believe it, when I see it.

Yes the Thunder got worse, thanks to Durant, but making the Playoffs in the West this year will be an extreme uphill battle for this Kings squad. We can't count on talent. We need to outwork and outsmart our opponents. Given that we are stacked with veterans now and we have a coach able to achieve something with basically nothing this might be possible. But the odds are not in our favour and if we make it, I personally want Grant to kneel before DMC and to apologize for all of his stupid, oversimplified rants and I want the Kings Fans to ring their cowbells and shout "MVP" and "Coach of the year" all game long during the last regular season game in 2017.

That's what it takes - an MVP performance by DMC and a Coach of the year performance by Joerger.
Now I can't wait for preseason to finally arrive.
 
Love Jordan Farmar, he is an experienced veteran who has two NBA championships in his arsenal, played with big players in the prime L.A. Lakers of 2008-2010.
Also I remember him from his initial tenure with Maccabi Tel-Aviv, which was his better tenure with Maccabi.

In addition, he adds more Jewish power to this team along with Casspi, lol, just kidding.

I think it's a fair signing and I am looking forward to see how he may fit with this team.
 
Could this mean they might try package Collison and Gay for something that the front office feels might help us? (package something like Beverely/Knight or whatever) We already had Temple as the 3rd PG/back up depending on Lawson's play.
 
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Could this mean they might try package Collison and Gay for something that the front office feels might help us? (package something like Beverely/Knight or whatever) We already had Temple as the 3rd PG/back up depending on Lawson's play.

I don't think a trade will happen at this point. Collison faces a suspension and is a FA next season. So it's not even a one year rental. Gay is considered an offense first guy, who can't lead a team to the Playoffs. If he is rightfully considered like that or not isn't important. Most teams in win now mode have their offensive cornerstones already in place and want guys able to play a role and play defense to support them. Neither is Gay an above average 3pt shooter nor an above average defender. So basically he needs to have the ball in his hands a lot in order to contribute something to the team and on a contending team, that's only possible in a bench role. But even as a contender you don't give up big assets for a one year rental of a bench player. If you truly want Gay you wait until the deadline and pick him up for a bag of chips or wait until next year and hope he signs on a discount, because he is desperate to win a ring.
If you want Gay to replace one of your offensive cornerstones, you would have already made the deal. Why wait? And to be honest - which offensive cornerstone on a playoff team should Gay replace?

For a rebuilding team Gay makes even less sense. Most likely he isn't considered someone, who is going to carry you to the promised land. So why give up young assets for him or hemper the development of your rookies/sophomores to give Gay playing time? That's what the Lakers did by overpaying for Mozgov and signing Deng. Questionable if another team makes the same kind of decisions. The Sixers may be desperate enough, but their assets are mainly big guys.
 
Could this mean they might try package Collison and Gay for something that the front office feels might help us? (package something like Beverely/Knight or whatever) We already had Temple as the 3rd PG/back up depending on Lawson's play.

Honestly, the way our offseason went I think that was the plan all along after we werent able to trade up for Dunn. Trade Rudy + Mclemore/Koufos/Collison for a starting PG. Rumors suggest our target was Rubio and I could see that actually being the case. But by now it is only 2 weeks until trainig camp and I don't think other GMs want to make major moves like that anymore.
 
Let's actually examine this, here is as good as any place.

Ok, so last year we have this coach:

George Karl

and this roster (players in red no longer here):

Cousins
Koufos
Cauley-Stein (rookie)
Acy
Moreland
Dukan (rookie)

Gay
Casspi
Butler
Belinelli

McLemore
Anderson
Curry (rookie)
Rondo

Collison

So now we come into this season and this is our coach:

Dave Joerger

and this is our roster (players in red are new):

Cousins
Koufos
Papagiannis (rookie)
Cauley-Stein
Tolliver
Labissiere (rookie)
Barnes

Gay
Casspi
Patterson
Afflalo

McLemore
Richardson (rookie)
Temple

Collison
Lawson
Farmar



And yet people are sincerely pissing and moaning about this new roster like its some enormous stepdown. Let's look at the changes.

1) George Karl --> Dave Joerger
Even the remaining Karlites have to admit, if nothing else he and the team were not on the same page last year. A significant part of our theory this summer seems to run on this simple formula: we won fewer games last year than we should have because of coaching or coach/star/team clash. If we had merely hired an average coach, and kept the same roster, we would have gotten better just by cleaning the poison from the air. We in fact hired a very good coach, one who we expect to win more than an average coach. So 33 wins (which might have been 35 or so if we play Cuz the last few weeks), + wins we lost to coach feud last year + wins we get for having a good coach in Joerger = ??? If we say that the team quitting on Karl only cost us 3 wins, which is a very dubious number, that's 38. If we say Dave Joerger is only worth 3 more wins than an average coach, which is also dubious, that's 41. If we cross our fingers and hope Boogie can actually play in 72+ games this year...

2) Acy --> Tolliver
I like Quincy Acy. last year he even made an oncourt contribution after his first stint with us was statistically pretty empty. That said is there anyone out there actually arguing that Quincy's career 4.5pts 3.6reb 12.6PER is so superior to Tolliver's career 6.0pts 3.5reb 11.0PER that its going to somehow scuttle our season?

3) Butler --> Barnes
Caron played much of last season with a giant fork stuck in his back, and then was in some sort of feud with Karl to boot. End result = not a contributor. Meanwhile Barnes was still chugging along last year, averaging 10.0pts 5.5rebs in 76 games for the same coach we now have coaching the Kings, and still feisty on defense. This should be an easy and obvious upgrade.

4) Belinelli --> Afflalo
While Bels might have seemed like a good idea, last year was such a disaster with him that even if you absolutely despise Arron Afflalo beyond all reason, how could this be a downgrade? Answer: it can't. In fact with just any sort of normal Afflalo performance it will be a significant upgrade over what Bels gave us last year.

5) Anderson/Curry/Rondo --> Temple/Farmar/Lawson
Anderson was of course just bad. Temple is a whole other level of long roleplayer. I liked Seth Curry, think we should have kept him, but thanks to Karl Seth's contributions last year were limited to 6.8pts 1.4reb 1.5ast in 44 games. That's a PER of 13.6 BTW. Farmar's 500 game career PER is 13.3 (and was 13.2 last year). Which brings us to maybe the question. Some people have been trying to convince me all summer long that our Rondo resuscitation did not work and that he was the first guy in history to lead the league in assists and not be effective. Well, if true, then we have no problem here. But even if not true, late in the summer Vlade may have opened up the same possibilities again. Like Rondo, a revived Lawson is a good PG in this league. We'll see.

6) then that leaves rookies and scrubs
Moreland/Dukan --> Patterson, Papa, Skal, Richardson
and there's just no way you can tell me that the first two there are more talented or have more chance to help than the guys we have this year.


So where is this huge woe is us problem again? Step by step by step comparatively, the talent isn't any worse, and the only place where we may take a hit is with Rondo. That bothers me, but we are actively gaining in multiple other spots, including hopefully the coach. If Vlade's basic coach calculus -- we should have won more last year, did not because of Karl, and we should win more this year because of Joerger -- is correct, there's nothing stopping this team from being respectable if Joerger can reach them.

There's nothing like Kings' fans optimism in the fall.:) Routing for respectability is routing for a half-step higher than mediocrity but not necessarily the playoffs. My analysis is much simpler - one of the worst and riskier guard lineups in a guard league, a rearranging of mediocre vet chairs, a bunch of know-nothing rookies, with an uninspired Gay centered around the inconsistent problematic Cousins. Can Joerger reach them? That invites the question: Are they reach-able? No doubt, if the Kings can't climb out of mediocrity to respectability (whatever that is), Joerger will be to blame. Could it be any different?
 
There's nothing like Kings' fans optimism in the fall.:) Routing for respectability is routing for a half-step higher than mediocrity but not necessarily the playoffs. My analysis is much simpler - one of the worst and riskier guard lineups in a guard league, a rearranging of mediocre vet chairs, a bunch of know-nothing rookies, with an uninspired Gay centered around the inconsistent problematic Cousins. Can Joerger reach them? That invites the question: Are they reach-able? No doubt, if the Kings can't climb out of mediocrity to respectability (whatever that is), Joerger will be to blame. Could it be any different?
Yes, it could. And another year of league pass to find out.
 
I've heard/ read a few season previews and the consensus so far is talent wise we are marginally better than last season, most expect us to get 35-38 wins with 40 being achievable if things go right. I would agree with that.
 
For the first year since the beginning of time, I am not looking forward to this year. That said, I think getting a mediocre pg was a good idea. The last thing we needed was a starter quality pg as then we would recreate what I thought was a real problem last year and that was the need to have DC as a sg. He can shoot. This year we can have DC as a starter and a real sg as a starter. DC needs some minutes and this is a way of getting him minutes. Yes, our pgs are not spectacular but I am suspecting Joeger is fine with having a team built around big guys and not small guys. To hell with this being a pg league. It may be such because there are not many skilled big guys. Now we have oodles of big guys and we can test to see if a small guy centered team can beat a big guy centercd team.

It is unlikely we will win the NBA championship.
 
Farmar? really? where can I go to puke? on the Kings front office door or on Vlade's car?

Seriously man, I love the Kings but refuse to root for this guy. He's just "ugh" and "blah" and "nah". That pretty much sums up his game in three words.
 
For the first year since the beginning of time, I am not looking forward to this year. That said, I think getting a mediocre pg was a good idea. The last thing we needed was a starter quality pg as then we would recreate what I thought was a real problem last year and that was the need to have DC as a sg. He can shoot. This year we can have DC as a starter and a real sg as a starter. DC needs some minutes and this is a way of getting him minutes. Yes, our pgs are not spectacular but I am suspecting Joeger is fine with having a team built around big guys and not small guys. To hell with this being a pg league. It may be such because there are not many skilled big guys. Now we have oodles of big guys and we can test to see if a small guy centered team can beat a big guy centercd team.

It is unlikely we will win the NBA championship.
I think people are seriously underrating Collison as a player. He was excellent for us in his first season here as a starter and played pretty darn well for us as a reserve last year when he was asked to play more as a SG than a PG.

Would I like to have a Chris Paul type PG next to Cousins, hell yeah but let's be realistic here. Cousins and Gay will be our primary offensive weapons for this upcoming season and there is sure to be enough offense from other spots on the floor with Collison, Afflalo, Lawson and Casspi capable of providing some scoring punch.

People suffer from short term memory here. They remember Gay from last season and think he is done, finished, unable to be the player he once was. It is absolute hogwash. The way he was used last season is completely different than the two previous seasons in Sacramento. I expect him to be returning to his 20/6/3 type season on pretty solid shooting percentage and overall a much better production. Cousins will continue to be Cousins and dominate against teams, but less so from behind the arc and more on the inside and in mid range area.

I think that we have a good coach in place who will play to the strengths of his roster. I think this team can make the play offs but that will depend on how quickly they soak up Jorger's schemes both offensively and defensively and how quickly the culture changes. I suspect we will come out of the blocks slower but showing signs of improvements and then have a stronger second half of the season. Is that going to be enough for a play off spot? I don't know but I do know that things are starting to change for the better and the players we have are in general good NBA players. Collison would start on quite a few teams out there. He is in the prime of his career and playing the best basketball of his life. VERY solid player on both ends of the court.

He is no Mike Conley bit their games are similar and I am sure coach Joerger can work with that. Plus there is some real solid depth behind him now. There is veteran stability at position now provided Lawson can keep on track.
 
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