Welcome Davion Mitchell
- Thread starter Tetsujin
- Start date
After getting over the initial shock of the pick and watching monte’s presser. I’m good with the pick. They felt he was the best player available, high IQ, defensive good character. That’s what we all really want in a draft. Many people always say don’t draft for position, pick the best and work it out after. It’s up to the front office to do that now. Even though it wasn’t my first choice, I understand the pick and will want him to succeed cuz him succeeding is the kings succeeding. Hopefully I’m not putting too much faith in the front office like when I said the same thing after we drafted bags over Luka. 
This time it’s a new front office tho so it should be a clean slate.
This time it’s a new front office tho so it should be a clean slate.Goodness gracious,
Holmes/ Jones/ Quetas
Barnes/Metu
Harris/Woodard/JJ
Tyrese/TD/Swag Ramsey
Fox/Davion
would be solid on pretty much all fronts and you still have the MLE to play with too. it probably won’t happen because I don’t think the Sixers are all that willing to move Tobias but I’d do something like Buddy/Wright/Bagley/2022 first/2023 pick swap for sure.
Holmes/ Jones/ Quetas
Barnes/Metu
Harris/Woodard/JJ
Tyrese/TD/Swag Ramsey
Fox/Davion
would be solid on pretty much all fronts and you still have the MLE to play with too. it probably won’t happen because I don’t think the Sixers are all that willing to move Tobias but I’d do something like Buddy/Wright/Bagley/2022 first/2023 pick swap for sure.
Most of us would agree that for the Kings to become a championship contender, they need to add another top-end talent to complement Fox. The alternate path to regular-season success, the path most available to the Kings now, is strong depth. If your starters can't quite hold their own against the top-5's in the league, then your bench players have to be deep and unusually strong.
A Kings' backcourt with Fox, Ty, DM and Wright/Davis is one could/should be able to give 48 strong minutes. That's huge. And, yes, if Monte can translate Buddy and either Wright or Davis into quality wing help, we're in business.
A Kings' backcourt with Fox, Ty, DM and Wright/Davis is one could/should be able to give 48 strong minutes. That's huge. And, yes, if Monte can translate Buddy and either Wright or Davis into quality wing help, we're in business.
Last edited:
I don't think Philly makes any deals until they see what they get for Simmons. That said:
Holmes (if re-signed)
Harris
Barnes
Haliburton
Fox
is a pretty good lineup, though I think Barnes is better suited for the PF spot, as is Harris. You're also paying $56 million for your forwards in Barnes & Harris.
If a deal like this was to go down, I wonder if a trade of Hield and Barnes to PHI for Harris and Thybulle would actually be better for the Kings. It's probably better for the Sixers too, depending on what they get for Simmons.
Either way, Harris' contract is also terrible, even if he's an upgrade on the court.
Now, if you want to trade everybody, this deal also works:
PHI sends: Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris, Matisse Thybulle
PHI receives: De'Aaron Fox, Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes
SAC sends: De'Aaron Fox, Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes
SAC receives: Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris, Matisse Thybulle
The salaries are within $1M here.
Holmes
Harris
Simmons
Haliburton
Mitchell
with a bench of Wright, Davis (if resigned), Thybulle, Woodard, and Metu/Quetas
Holmes (if re-signed)
Harris
Barnes
Haliburton
Fox
is a pretty good lineup, though I think Barnes is better suited for the PF spot, as is Harris. You're also paying $56 million for your forwards in Barnes & Harris.
If a deal like this was to go down, I wonder if a trade of Hield and Barnes to PHI for Harris and Thybulle would actually be better for the Kings. It's probably better for the Sixers too, depending on what they get for Simmons.
Either way, Harris' contract is also terrible, even if he's an upgrade on the court.
Now, if you want to trade everybody, this deal also works:
PHI sends: Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris, Matisse Thybulle
PHI receives: De'Aaron Fox, Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes
SAC sends: De'Aaron Fox, Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes
SAC receives: Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris, Matisse Thybulle
The salaries are within $1M here.
Holmes
Harris
Simmons
Haliburton
Mitchell
with a bench of Wright, Davis (if resigned), Thybulle, Woodard, and Metu/Quetas
Last edited:
I love all this talk about whether or not Davion can guard KD or centers…. Some of y’all are crazy
I’m cool with him being able to guard 1-2s. With his shooting he’ll be able to play off or on-ball alongside both Fox and Hali and cover the tougher guard assignment. A staggered rotation of Fox, Hali, and Davion could keep the pressure on opposing backcourts 48 minutes a night.
Obviously McNair has a lot of work to do balancing the roster, but this is still a good pick for us. I love that he’s been going after high IQ players who give a **** about defense. Kings have been dumb and soft for over a decade.
I’m cool with him being able to guard 1-2s. With his shooting he’ll be able to play off or on-ball alongside both Fox and Hali and cover the tougher guard assignment. A staggered rotation of Fox, Hali, and Davion could keep the pressure on opposing backcourts 48 minutes a night.
Obviously McNair has a lot of work to do balancing the roster, but this is still a good pick for us. I love that he’s been going after high IQ players who give a **** about defense. Kings have been dumb and soft for over a decade.
And I had talked myself into liking Franz Wagner!!!
Mitchell wouldn’t have been my pick - but he’s a dawg. The Kings need that badly. The team was way soft last year. McNair still has time to balance the roster (hopefully). But the three guard rotation of Fox, Haliburton and Mitchell should wear other teams out. I just hope that Fox and Mitchell can hit their free throws this year.
It does seem the the Kings “culture” is improving with Mitchell onboard. But most rookies aren’t good in year one - so we shall see.
Mitchell wouldn’t have been my pick - but he’s a dawg. The Kings need that badly. The team was way soft last year. McNair still has time to balance the roster (hopefully). But the three guard rotation of Fox, Haliburton and Mitchell should wear other teams out. I just hope that Fox and Mitchell can hit their free throws this year.
It does seem the the Kings “culture” is improving with Mitchell onboard. But most rookies aren’t good in year one - so we shall see.
Last edited:
Davion kinda of reminds me of a mix of Donovan Mitchell and Marcus Smart.
I think we know what Monte is striving for here with all his moves. He is trying to raise the Basketball IQ and Defensive toughness across the board. Something that the Kings have been sorely lacking for most of the past 15+ years.
I think we know what Monte is striving for here with all his moves. He is trying to raise the Basketball IQ and Defensive toughness across the board. Something that the Kings have been sorely lacking for most of the past 15+ years.
While I can appreciate Mitchell's fierceness against Cade, there is a difference between D'ing up a 19-year-old in college and D'ing up full-sized veteran 3's and 4's in the NBA.
I have no doubt that Mitchell is going to improve the Kings' defense and that he's going to frustrate a great many opponents, some of whom will be considerably bigger than him. But I don't expect that his tenacity affords the level of defensive flexibility that McNair has suggested or that many Kings fans might hope for. More to the point, we need Mitchell locking down 1's and 2's, and it seems a disservice to the rookie's transition to the NBA to throw him into the defensive gauntlet of going up against bigger wings night after night.
Hopefully the Kings can find a way to acquire a full-sized wing of their own so Barnes can shift to the 4 full-time and Mitchell can go to work as a sixth man (unless McNair decides to trade Fox, of course).
I have no doubt that Mitchell is going to improve the Kings' defense and that he's going to frustrate a great many opponents, some of whom will be considerably bigger than him. But I don't expect that his tenacity affords the level of defensive flexibility that McNair has suggested or that many Kings fans might hope for. More to the point, we need Mitchell locking down 1's and 2's, and it seems a disservice to the rookie's transition to the NBA to throw him into the defensive gauntlet of going up against bigger wings night after night.
Hopefully the Kings can find a way to acquire a full-sized wing of their own so Barnes can shift to the 4 full-time and Mitchell can go to work as a sixth man (unless McNair decides to trade Fox, of course).
YES THIS. When we get bullied we never bark back. This team hella soft with zero accountability. We got a bulldog with Mitchell who doesn’t even drink liquor or smoke. Kobe-like work ethic and hopefully Kobe-like accountability is exactly what this team needs. I don’t know about y’all but I’m tired of watching us get bullied. Lets show some GD fire and fight back with some 5 game suspensions sprinkled in there.
Last edited:
Count me among the crowd that wants the 3 guard lineup next year. I’m not drafting a guard ahead of potential starters at more valuable positions just to let him back up our best player.
Fox Wright
Hali Davis
Mitchell (traded player for Buddy)
Barnes Bagley
Holmes Queta
Trade Buddy and keep Bags since he had no value. Queta can start against the larger centers.
Just do it Tinker, this is what you wanted.
Fox Wright
Hali Davis
Mitchell (traded player for Buddy)
Barnes Bagley
Holmes Queta
Trade Buddy and keep Bags since he had no value. Queta can start against the larger centers.
Just do it Tinker, this is what you wanted.
The shooting could be a real concern with Fox, Mitchell and Holmes on the court at the same time. I think Mitchell's 3pt% last year was a mirage. I'd bet he will wind up shooting around 30% from 3 this year. I just don't see how this is going to work out in the end. You can take an elite defender and make him average or below average by playing him too far out of position for too many possessions.
I would have understood the pick if it was a draft where all that was left was Kispert and long term projects but there were so many good players still on the board that could defend and still fit the teams needs better that it just doesn't make much sense to me. Seems as if this team is always trying to make players something they're not instead of just letting players play their natural positions while letting them do what they do best.
I would have understood the pick if it was a draft where all that was left was Kispert and long term projects but there were so many good players still on the board that could defend and still fit the teams needs better that it just doesn't make much sense to me. Seems as if this team is always trying to make players something they're not instead of just letting players play their natural positions while letting them do what they do best.
