Webber: 'New' Kings are tougher

shacko said:
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Seems like hating on webber is getting popular............ LOL

But then he seems to be helping out........
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I wonder what Peja's reaction will be when his personal HERO and his COUNTRIES NATIONAL HERO is dissed?

I don't care what webber says about players on other teams, in fact I wish he would talk more trash about players on other teams and then back it up..........

I do care when anyone makes statements that could be detrimental to those players still on the Kings.........



[font=&quot]As the self appointed team leader wouldn’t it be more prudent to avoid sullying the motivational “tough team” talk with comments about players that are not even on the team anymore???[/font]
True how will peja react when they put the serbian spin on those comments.
 
KP said:
Message to Sloter: You're Wrong. The reason they lost was Webber went down. They were on a serious roll that year! The reason they lost after Webb went down was NVE. I just lost a lot of respect for you.^


Yep, I agree. I remember watching Webb leave and thinking "There goes our championship." I still hoped they would find a way to pull it out, but I knew that our chances had just been compromised.
 
As i was reading this article, I wasn't even so much focusing on everything Webb was saying..... I really kept thinking about how long it will take before someone turns this into Webber vs. Pedja thing. I just knew that no mention of Pedja's name will rub some people the wrong way.I see it took only 3 posts to start the "war"....
Will webber and Pedja fans EVER be happy and get along??
 
TheSerbianQueen said:
As i was reading this article, I wasn't even so much focusing on everything Webb was saying..... I really kept thinking about how long it will take before someone turns this into Webber vs. Pedja thing. I just knew that no mention of Pedja's name will rub some people the wrong way.I see it took only 3 posts to start the "war"....
Will webber and Pedja fans EVER be happy and get along??

i honestly thought kings fans would react very warmly to this interview, cuz all i see are positives in it. but everybody's a cynic, and everybody wants to point fingers, so i think the answer to yer question would be "no." people are too damned stubborn to concede that somebody else might actually be right.

on a side note, i really love yer sig. best lyric off that album.
 
You know what the most amazing thing about this whole article is - it was intended to show Webber's confidence in his team...not his dislike of Peja. He is just saying that the Kings are tougher than they were in the past (that isn't a statement against peja or vlade; and it also acknowledges that he wasn't tough as well). Just because he doesn't give credit to one person it doesn't mean a thing. Hell, he never mentioned Ostertag's or Cat's or Mo Evans names -- I'm sure he hates them all too.
 
shacko said:
I don't care what webber says about players on other teams, in fact I wish he would talk more trash about players on other teams and then back it up..........

I do care when anyone makes statements that could be detrimental to those players still on the Kings.........

[font=&quot]As the self appointed team leader wouldn’t it be more prudent to avoid sullying the motivational “tough team” talk with comments about players that are not even on the team anymore???[/font]

Webber didn't say ONE negative thing. NOT ONE. It's pathetic IMHO how far some people will go in their attempts to put words into his mouth and make him the bad guy.

I will not stoop to the level of some and point fingers at things other team members came right out and said IN PUBLIC and TO THE MEDIA but to continue to always bash Chris Webber OR any other member of this team is ridiculous.

Feel free to continue posting in this thread, but please do not address me directly. I refuse to be dragged into this insipid morass any longer.
 
TheSerbianQueen said:
As i was reading this article, I wasn't even so much focusing on everything Webb was saying..... I really kept thinking about how long it will take before someone turns this into Webber vs. Pedja thing. I just knew that no mention of Pedja's name will rub some people the wrong way.I see it took only 3 posts to start the "war"....
Will webber and Pedja fans EVER be happy and get along??

The point is it shouldn't be about Webber fans or Pedja fans. I have been a KINGS fan since 1985. It's not about Webber vs. Pedja in my book. What it IS about is how some player fans have come here and had to demean other players to support their favorite. That's just wrong no matter how you slice it IMHO.

I won't even bother to argue any more because it's just silly. We are fans of one of the top elite teams in the NBA. It's a good thing. Thank God the team doesn't seem to be as consumed with all this "drama" as some of the posters on this board.

Just my three cents...and maybe more. I'm just sick to death of the "controversy" that always has to be stirred up here whenever an article comes out and everybody doesn't see their favorite player's name mentioned.

:rolleyes:
 
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TheSerbianQueen said:
As i was reading this article, I wasn't even so much focusing on everything Webb was saying..... I really kept thinking about how long it will take before someone turns this into Webber vs. Pedja thing. I just knew that no mention of Pedja's name will rub some people the wrong way.I see it took only 3 posts to start the "war"....
Will webber and Pedja fans EVER be happy and get along??

mmm...me too.....though i was hoping the thread would stay on topic of the actual article...it really was only a matter of time....the fight is just getting so old...ya know
 
i honestly don't get how anyone can hate Chris

i honestly don't get how antone can hate Peja

especially since they both are on this team that everyone claims to love so much

for the love of god lets stop the Peja vs Webb fight
 
TheSerbianQueen said:
As i was reading this article, I wasn't even so much focusing on everything Webb was saying..... I really kept thinking about how long it will take before someone turns this into Webber vs. Pedja thing. I just knew that no mention of Pedja's name will rub some people the wrong way.I see it took only 3 posts to start the "war"....
Will webber and Pedja fans EVER be happy and get along??
Dude needs to stop jumping on a one game or a few win bandwagon.He did the same thing when jim jackson was came to the kings he was saying how him and jim jackson saw the same things and he shared the same thoughts of toughness.This isn't the first time he has mouth off about some new dudes on the squad.I do think he wasn't really referring to peja's game he was jsut saying that they have a player at the small forward spot thatcan come in and do the little dirty things that may have been missing from spot.But I do think he was talking on the under about Vlade with the flop comments.But any how he needs peja and I think he suffers just as much as peja when either of teh two are absent from one another.Peja's perimeter shooting helps his passing game and helps him spread the floor to do his thing offensively.What is crazy is that I think the reason they have not gotten rid of peja is that in this motion offensive system well princeton style motion you need players that can play without the ball.players that can use screens well.MOTION


Players like paul pierce needs isolations SETS he needs high Fg numbers to be effective, although he can come off screens, the shooting range isn't quite the same and in this style of O you need players that can shoot long Bombs to spread the floor and open things up for the Big guy's who make the plays from that High post area.I hate to see the defense jam Webber and jump him from that high post if he were to depend on matt barnes every game.He needs peja an peja needs him in order to be effecetive with the sets the kings run.But at the same time you need garbage players like matt barnes to clean up some of the areas that peja doesn't do so well at.YOU NEED A BALANCE ATTACK
 
iheartBrad said:
i honestly don't get how anyone can hate Chris

i honestly don't get how antone can hate Peja

especially since they both are on this team that everyone claims to love so much

for the love of god lets stop the Peja vs Webb fight

Thank you and well said in 4 sentences! ;)
 
VF21 said:
The point is it shouldn't be about Webber fans or Pedja fans. I have been a KINGS fan since 1985. It's not about Webber vs. Pedja in my book. What it IS about is how some player fans have come here and had to demean other players to support their favorite. That's just wrong no matter how you slice it IMHO.

I won't even bother to argue any more because it's just silly. We are fans of one of the top elite teams in the NBA. It's a good thing. Thank God the team doesn't seem to be as consumed with all this "drama" as some of the posters on this board.

Just my three cents...and maybe more. I'm just sick to death of the "controversy" that always has to be stirred up here whenever an article comes out and everybody doesn't see their favorite player's name mentioned.

:rolleyes:
totally agree,see my orig. post. I'm done.
 
I don't think this year's Kings are any "tougher" than in previous seasons. I cannot think of a single player that I would consider a tough guy - with the possible exception of Bobby.

I think Webber is #1, answering a reporter's question, #2, referring to a slightly different team attitude that I don't consider to be tougher but he may, and #3, trying to pump himself and his teammates up to make them look better as the season goes along.

A common thread in Webber's behavior is the need to defend himself against criticism. Talking about the team being tougher is a defense against the generally exaggerated claims that the Kings have been too soft to win a championship.

He also didn't appear to be attempting to take a dig at anybody, so I would only consider criticizing him for not being aware of or ignoring the fact that his comments can be considered disrespectful to Divac. That is a pretty minor offense, though, and certainly not something that I would chastise him for.



In the end, this article isn't really a big deal. It's not a big deal because there really isn't any major dis of Stojakovic or Divac, and it's not a big deal because the Kings aren't really any tougher than they were before.
 
If everyone is so fed up with this subject, maybe we need Pedja Vs. Webber F.A.Q. so that everyone can post their pro and against views on either player and we just "sticky" it there until one of them retires or is traded. Right now we're reopening the wound every time there is a Webber/Pedja interview to disect.

With every game of this season I have more and more respect for Webber the player. What he is doing right now is truly remarkable. I am 33 yrs. old, with no cartilage left in one of my knees and I cannot run a flight of stairs without injuring myself. Webber at similar age and in a similar predicament is lighting it up out there against some of the finest athletes in the World. That is tough. He is setting a great example - as a LEADER.

However, with every interview that he has given since returning from injury he 's tested my tolerance. Maybe it is my fault and maybe I read too much into it, but I don't think so. As Brick said at almost the very beginning of this thread - he should hire a PR person and I will add - or he should shut it. Ditto Pedja.
 
uolj said:
I don't think this year's Kings are any "tougher" than in previous seasons. I cannot think of a single player that I would consider a tough guy - with the possible exception of Bobby.

I think Webber is #1, answering a reporter's question, #2, referring to a slightly different team attitude that I don't consider to be tougher but he may, and #3, trying to pump himself and his teammates up to make them look better as the season goes along.

A common thread in Webber's behavior is the need to defend himself against criticism. Talking about the team being tougher is a defense against the generally exaggerated claims that the Kings have been too soft to win a championship.

He also didn't appear to be attempting to take a dig at anybody, so I would only consider criticizing him for not being aware of or ignoring the fact that his comments can be considered disrespectful to Divac. That is a pretty minor offense, though, and certainly not something that I would chastise him for.



In the end, this article isn't really a big deal. It's not a big deal because there really isn't any major dis of Stojakovic or Divac, and it's not a big deal because the Kings aren't really any tougher than they were before.

I just saw this and upon further reflection I like your slant on this issue the best so far. At the very worst, it is a minot slight/offence that he committed in the interview. What gets to me is what you describe in the third paragraph of your post.
 
uolj said:
I don't think this year's Kings are any "tougher" than in previous seasons. I cannot think of a single player that I would consider a tough guy - with the possible exception of Bobby.

I think Webber is #1, answering a reporter's question, #2, referring to a slightly different team attitude that I don't consider to be tougher but he may, and #3, trying to pump himself and his teammates up to make them look better as the season goes along.

A common thread in Webber's behavior is the need to defend himself against criticism. Talking about the team being tougher is a defense against the generally exaggerated claims that the Kings have been too soft to win a championship.

He also didn't appear to be attempting to take a dig at anybody, so I would only consider criticizing him for not being aware of or ignoring the fact that his comments can be considered disrespectful to Divac. That is a pretty minor offense, though, and certainly not something that I would chastise him for.



In the end, this article isn't really a big deal. It's not a big deal because there really isn't any major dis of Stojakovic or Divac, and it's not a big deal because the Kings aren't really any tougher than they were before.
Good post^
 
uolj said:
I don't think this year's Kings are any "tougher" than in previous seasons. I cannot think of a single player that I would consider a tough guy - with the possible exception of Bobby.

I think Webber is #1, answering a reporter's question, #2, referring to a slightly different team attitude that I don't consider to be tougher but he may, and #3, trying to pump himself and his teammates up to make them look better as the season goes along.

A common thread in Webber's behavior is the need to defend himself against criticism. Talking about the team being tougher is a defense against the generally exaggerated claims that the Kings have been too soft to win a championship.

He also didn't appear to be attempting to take a dig at anybody, so I would only consider criticizing him for not being aware of or ignoring the fact that his comments can be considered disrespectful to Divac. That is a pretty minor offense, though, and certainly not something that I would chastise him for.



In the end, this article isn't really a big deal. It's not a big deal because there really isn't any major dis of Stojakovic or Divac, and it's not a big deal because the Kings aren't really any tougher than they were before.

I think you make a great point in that the only thing you can really criticize Webb for here is not being sensitive about how his remarks could be taken. Yeah, if he spent hours contemplating everything he said, he may have realized that these remarks COULD be construed BY SOME to be disrespectful. However, when the press is constantly thinking of questions and putting the microphone in front of your mouth you really don't have the luxury of analyzing your answer from every single angle. Keeping in mind that we don't know what question was asked, or the entirety of Webb's responses,. Webb's point is he likes the team, he's excited about the year, and he thinks this team could do well.
 
Webber has no self-awareness at all. I would have no problem with Bobby, Bibby or Miller questioning the team's toughness or talking about the team's toughness, but Chris is a marshmellow. When you can't stay healthy and are constantly allergic to going inside for your offense then you don't talk about some concept of toughness.
 
Phoenix@Arco

I think we all need a game to watch... fast! We play the Suns tommorow, thats what we should be talking about. This is a big game.
 
swisshh said:
Webber has no self-awareness at all. I would have no problem with Bobby, Bibby or Miller questioning the team's toughness or talking about the team's toughness, but Chris is a marshmellow. When you can't stay healthy and are constantly allergic to going inside for your offense then you don't talk about some concept of toughness.


If you're going to talk like that and tear him down for not staying healthy, then why mention Bobby, who's out for the season? This discussion has been going on for several hours now, and people STILL fail to take the blinders off. Look, for those who are trying to split the players up amongst themselves and create their own little factions, you're fighting an uphill battle all the way. YOU WILL NOT WIN. This is a message board based on a collective love for a TEAM, yet you insist on taking sides. If you'd like to be around in a community that is as optimistic about this team as you are, I have some links for you if you want them. Could someone close this thread already?
 
swisshh said:
Webber has no self-awareness at all. I would have no problem with Bobby, Bibby or Miller questioning the team's toughness or talking about the team's toughness, but Chris is a marshmellow. When you can't stay healthy and are constantly allergic to going inside for your offense then you don't talk about some concept of toughness.

Did you not watch the Portland game? Webber went inside when he found his outside shot was nor falling. It is rare, but he does do it. He picked himself off the floor more than anyone else on the team.
 
uolj said:
I don't think this year's Kings are any "tougher" than in previous seasons. I cannot think of a single player that I would consider a tough guy - with the possible exception of Bobby.

I think Webber is #1, answering a reporter's question, #2, referring to a slightly different team attitude that I don't consider to be tougher but he may, and #3, trying to pump himself and his teammates up to make them look better as the season goes along.

A common thread in Webber's behavior is the need to defend himself against criticism. Talking about the team being tougher is a defense against the generally exaggerated claims that the Kings have been too soft to win a championship.

He also didn't appear to be attempting to take a dig at anybody, so I would only consider criticizing him for not being aware of or ignoring the fact that his comments can be considered disrespectful to Divac. That is a pretty minor offense, though, and certainly not something that I would chastise him for.



In the end, this article isn't really a big deal. It's not a big deal because there really isn't any major dis of Stojakovic or Divac, and it's not a big deal because the Kings aren't really any tougher than they were before.

in my opinion, there's no question that the kings are tougher this season than seasons past. it, of course, depends on how ya wanna spin the word "tougher." i believe that only a tough kings team could pull off a win against golden state like they did with 3 of their starters MIA. they may not be a whole lot tougher physically, but they have a mental edge thats been missing the past few seasons. they have guys who are willing to come out, and sacrifice life and limb for loose balls. they have guys out there stepping up, making the big plays and big shots in key situations, where kings past might have folded under the pressure. i'm not saying its a major difference, but i believe it could very well be the difference that carries them in the playoffs.
 
First, McNeal would be a fool to leave anything positive Web may have said about Peja out of the article. He surely knew the controversy Web's comments were going to create, don't think he'd ever get an interview with Chris again, and deservedly so.

Second, Web says stupid things. Facts back this up. He's been 'accused' of other things (reported in the media), some or most are probably true and most were just stupid errors in discretion. Great player, but basically a non-thinking individual.

Let his talking on the court speak for itself. Others have intimated or (God bless you) said it outright that Web is passive-aggressive and blames others often; rarely-to-never taking responsibility himself for any of the failures of the team. I take this view myself. In this case the blame is directed at "past softness" of the team. It kinda wears on me that he would talk at ALL about anyone's softness when he himself seems unwilling to put himself on the line where it counts, on the hardwood. Say what you want Chris, but let's SEE some of that toughness, Mr. Power Forward.

For the record, I am not a supporter of Peja vs. Chris, or Chris vs. Peja. I think they're both riddled with personal ambitions and insecurities, but we may NEVER fully know what those are unless they are told. Outright. This would require their knowing themselves. Neither one seems to have much 'maturity' in that department, imo.

Keep it in the lockerroom please, show us tough on the court.

Thank you. :o
 
albeitrue said:
Keep it in the lockerroom please, show us tough on the court.

Thank you. :o

as far as i can tell, it has been kept completely in the lockerroom. neither has publicly said anything about the other that the media did not instigate. (ie: "are there really chemistry problems between you and chris/peja?") "chris vs. peja" has entirely been created by the fans and the media.
 
albeitrue said:
First, McNeal would be a fool to leave anything positive Web may have said about Peja out of the article. He surely knew the controversy Web's comments were going to create, don't think he'd ever get an interview with Chris again, and deservedly so.

Second, Web says stupid things. Facts back this up. He's been 'accused' of other things (reported in the media), some or most are probably true and most were just stupid errors in discretion. Great player, but basically a non-thinking individual.

Let his talking on the court speak for itself. Others have intimated or (God bless you) said it outright that Web is passive-aggressive and blames others often; rarely-to-never taking responsibility himself for any of the failures of the team. I take this view myself. In this case the blame is directed at "past softness" of the team. It kinda wears on me that he would talk at ALL about anyone's softness when he himself seems unwilling to put himself on the line where it counts, on the hardwood. Say what you want Chris, but let's SEE some of that toughness, Mr. Power Forward.

For the record, I am not a supporter of Peja vs. Chris, or Chris vs. Peja. I think they're both riddled with personal ambitions and insecurities, but we may NEVER fully know what those are unless they are told. Outright. This would require their knowing themselves. Neither one seems to have much 'maturity' in that department, imo.

Keep it in the lockerroom please, show us tough on the court.

Thank you. :o
I agree
 
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