Webber: 'New' Kings are tougher

[iheartBrad]

oh i love you guys

 

[Entity]

btw give me the fame and fortune and i beat Brad and Jeter hands down.

 

[swisshh]

Patriots, Yankees... AND Kings?

Something here doesn't belong.

 

[Vlad]

What has anyone won on this team? Lesser titles against lesser competition at best. Every single player on the Kings is a serial failure in the NBA year after year after year. As are 90% of the rest of the players in the NBA. And yet amazingly every year some other player or coach who's never won anything in the NBA manages to step forward and somehow win the big one. Not a lot of champions on Detroit last year either. But now there are.

Vlade and Peja won a world championship that was played here in the U.S. Webb hasn't won anything since high school.

 

[Heuge]

I had alot of driving to do today and I thought about this subject a great deal on my drive. I heard accusations of Pedja, CW, and Vlade being soft, and it made me think.

What makes a player "soft"?

 

[uolj]

I had alot of driving to do today and I thought about this subject a great deal on my drive. I heard accusations of Pedja, CW, and Vlade being soft, and it made me think.

What makes a player "soft"?

A "soft" player backs down when confronted with a challenge. Whether it is the challenge of beating a good team, or the challenge of fighting back when others are being more physical, it is the response to that challenge, or lack thereof, that can get a player labeled as soft.

I think the idea of softness versus toughness is generally overrated. I think the idea of meeting physicality with physicality does not lend itself to winning. However, playing your game, and playing it better than you normally do, when times are difficult is the sign of true "toughness", in my opinion. As far as the Kings go, they are in general middle of the road in that regard, not soft in my opinion, but not necessarily all that tough either.

 

[iheartBrad]

i think i can agree with that ^

 

[BigWaxer]

Its obvious by this thread I will have to turn the radio to 680 tonight so I dont have to listen to the Rise Guys when I wake up. I just know all the Webb bashers andt he Rguys will be making more of this article then what was.

Have to agree with everything Brick said..

 

[sloter]

Wow....

::shakes head::

Thank God for the ignore button. Goodbye!

 

[Just_Lurkin]

they would not come out and say things like this

you mean, no one would blow their comments out of proportion like.

 

[Just_Lurkin]

lol. Didn't Bobby at the start of the season say," if Peja wants out, he should leave then." --Can you imagine if Webb said that?

EXACTLY. over the summer bobby said that if peja wanted to go then trade him,b/c he didn't want to play with anyone the didn't want to be there. i can only imagine how many times that sentance would have been flipped,flopped, analyised,disected and put under a microscope if it had been chris that said it.

 

[sloter]

EXACTLY. over the summer bobby said that if peja wanted to go then trade him,b/c he didn't want to play with anyone the didn't want to be there. i can only imagine how many times that sentance would have been flipped,flopped, analyised,disected and put under a microscope if it had been chris that said it.

its true ... but i thought we agreed who's a leader and who's not. don't have double standards now, leaders should encourage their teammates (and at least respect their former ones).

 

[ReinadelosReys]

Thank God for the ignore button. Goodbye!

What, am I supposed to cry or something?

 

[Just_Lurkin]

I don't think so, but that's because Bobby is tough and when he talks about it I can take it seriously.

exactly what does bobby do that webber doesn't that his is considered "tough" in your mind? he goes out on the court and plays his heart out every night, same as chris. i don't know about you, but that's all the toughness i care about.

 

[shaka zulu]

Webber has to do more than woof brag and boast to be a leader.It's not about stuffing stats or triple doubles his so called leadership and new found toughness must meet his expectatios and the city of sacramento's expectations and these expectations are a championship and nothing less.It's not about last second shots or 3 pointers to send the game in overtime, all of these accollades he should have honed earlier in his career in his prime.But I would say it's better now than never that he is stepping up making big shots,But These statistical regular season points are the early stages to developing a player that can lead his team by personal example and in the process hopefully inspire his teamamtes to be better players.

But to run your mouth constantly and not doing anything when the going get's tough particularly playoff time when his leadership seeds planted in the regular season must show, and it isn't about him doing his best and everyone else failed or choked or didn't step up or flopped or is not tough enough.It's about CHRIS WEBBER making his teamates better players is what real leadership principles are about,Real leaders instill faith and confidence into his teammates that have fear or don't believe or can't comprehend the promise land.Real leaders like moses make people believe that everything is going to be alright we are going to get there just relaxed timid scared peja or panik strickin COACH ADLEMAN just be patient we will get home.This is what magic johnson a real leader did, is what larry bird did, it is what michael jordan did for side kick weak soft scottie pippen he made him believe that he was tougher or better than he really was,this is what magic johnson did for michael cooper he made him feel that everything will be alright we are coming out of this BOSTON GARDEN winners.

you cannot do this unless you start practicing what you preach.He must get his butt out there and really start making peja a better player making him believe that he is better than that and he can be tough. He needs to make mike bibby a better defender by clogging up that middle and shutting that paint down sending them walk through drives out of bounds and making mike bibby's man think twice about coming in there.He can't just keep doing it on one end of the floor he must step his slam dunking butt up and protect the paint once in a while and don't blame it on greg not doing his job in relief.He must step his butt up and set the example for greg O or whoever comes in there when he is on the bench.

The best players do it on both ends of the floor and they don't blame it on age injuries or lack of atheleticism they just do what the team needs and set the examples to make everyone else believe that they can be better players.Bird wasn't a gifted athlete but he made big defensive plays when it counted when the game was on the line.It doesn't matter how high you can jump or you just waiting for your MICHIGAN hops to get back.The great ones the real leaders use what they have and what God has given them at the moment.They don't blame it on the weak links they inspire the weak the small the sick to rise above obstacles and WIN.Until Webber fits that real leadership mode until he exercises his own personal weak demons of failure and weakness, he should keep his mouth shut and prove by his actions what type of leader tough guy and winner he is.

 

[GoGoGadget]

<sigh> True or not, have I mentioned that Chris really really needs to hire a publicist?

That is EXACTLY what I thought when I read this article earlier today.

Well, actually, my exact thoughts were: "Haven't you learned?" and "I'm gonna have a LOT of reading to do tonight."

 

[Just_Lurkin]

its true ... but i thought we agreed who's a leader and who's not. don't have double standards now, leaders should encourage their teammates (and at least respect their former ones).

so b/c bobby isn't the "leader" his comments/opinions wouldn't affect peja/ team chemistry? last time i checked you didn't have to be the captain to be a caner.

was chris not 'encouraging' his teammates in the article by praising them? that respect former teammates thing goes waaaaaay out the window. tmac has dissed orlando, marbury dissed KG after he was traded and lets not even get on shaq and kobe( just thinking about their saga gives me a headache). besides, i don't think vlade has a problem with chris. even said once that you have to know chris to understand what he means sometimes.

 

[GoGoGadget]

I know but it is how he(Chris) says things that causes problems in the locker room and with some of the fans. Chris really needs help in beeing more diplomatic if we are to have some sort of chemistry on this team

To be technical, none of us know that there are chemistry issues in the locker room, much less the cause of these supposed problems.

Feel free to comment on what it is about Chris that turns you off, specifically. But, let's not get silly here.

 

[BigWaxer]

WHAT....?

Whitey and Phantom are awaiting your call in the morning. Makes for good radio.

This is in Ref to shaka zulu's post.

 

[shaka zulu]

WHAT....?

Whitey and Phantom are awaiting your call in the morning. Makes for good radio.

This is in Ref to shaka zulu's post.

until he makes the players around him better make them exceed normal player reality.Then he aint no real leader in my books.

 

[BigWaxer]

until he makes the players around him better make them exceed normal player reality.Then he aint no real leader in my books.

We will disagree on that point. Also I never said he was a leader.

 

[shaka zulu]

We will disagree on that point. Also I never said he was a leader.

okay my bad

 

[BigWaxer]

okay my bad

I am from IN... a Hoosier fan by heart so I dont like Cwebb from his days at MI. As far as the Kings go I think he does make the team better and without an equal presence in exchange we wont win a title without him.

Also I cringe everytime he gets the ball with 1 min or less on the clock.

With that said he is a great player and if he is on his game one of the best PF in the game

 

[kgrichwine]

Bibby is emerging as a team leader. IMO, Its a natural progression of the position he plays.

 

[GoGoGadget]

How about some examples of what they said about former or current teammates that might be misinerpreted ?

Tag appointed Mike his waterboy. Maybe its because he doesn't have any confidence in Mike's ability, or toughness.

Or maybe he's pissed at Mike because they got in a fight on the team plane.

Anything that anyone says can be misinterpreted, if you're looking hard enough.

If you're questioning why people look for these slip-ups in Chris' interviews more than in anyone elses? Well, then, I'm stumped.

 

[shaka zulu]

I am from IN... a Hoosier fan by heart so I dont like Cwebb from his days at MI. As far as the Kings go I think he does make the team better and without an equal presence in exchange we wont win a title without him.

Also I cringe everytime he gets the ball with 1 min or less on the clock.

With that said he is a great player and if he is on his game one of the best PF in the game

well we disagree with the issue of him making the TEAM better.I think he needs to start doing it on both ends and specifically defensively.When he starts showing this then I will conced and say he is making his Team better it isn't just offense he must show up as an interior presence in the paint

 

[Bricklayer]

well we disagree with the issue of him making the TEAM better.I think he needs to start doing it on both ends and specifically defensively.When he starts showing this then I will conced and say he is making his Team better it isn't just offense he must show up as an interior presence in the paint

Not going to happen. Does not have the hops anymore to be a shotblocker. More practically by your standard then NOBODY on the Kings is making the team better because nobody is a great defender. Which is ridiculous. There are many ways to contribute. Neither Magic, not Bird nor Zeke were particularly good defenders. Yet I think you might meet some resistance if you announced they were not helping their teams.

 

[Bricklayer]

Also I cringe everytime he gets the ball with 1 min or less on the clock.

Based on results this season you may want to rethink that one. Old stereotypes die hard, but at a certain point they are clearly obsolete.

 

[Just_Lurkin]

Tag appointed Mike his waterboy. Maybe its because he doesn't have any confidence in Mike's ability, or toughness.

Or maybe he's pissed at Mike because they got in a fight on the team plane.

Anything that anyone says can be misinterpreted, if you're looking hard enough.

If you're questioning why people look for these slip-ups in Chris' interviews more than in anyone elses? Well, then, I'm stumped.

or miller's facial expression after webb hit that three pointer against houston. some could have interpreted that to mean he didn't believe webb could hit the shot or that he was mad b/c he wanted to take the shot(personally i just thought it was funny as heck).

 

[GoGoGadget]

Let his talking on the court speak for itself. Others have intimated or (God bless you) said it outright that Web is passive-aggressive and blames others often; rarely-to-never taking responsibility himself for any of the failures of the team. I take this view myself. In this case the blame is directed at "past softness" of the team. It kinda wears on me that he would talk at ALL about anyone's softness when he himself seems unwilling to put himself on the line where it counts, on the hardwood. Say what you want Chris, but let's SEE some of that toughness, Mr. Power Forward.

Chris Webber did not, at ANY point in this article, blame anything on "past softness." At all. He didn't even mention past failures.

He simply commented on the toughness of the team in its current incarnation.

As VF mentioned earlier, this was a very POSITIVE article.