We need to trade Cousins, but have to wait for his value to improve...

Anthony1

Anthony1

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I know that 99.9 percent of you guys are going to think I'm a total dingleberry for suggesting such a notion, but Cousins has to go.


If you asked me a year ago if I'd be saying to trade away Cousins in a year, I would say that you're nuts. I would have never imagined that I'd think our team is better sans Cuz. However, after watching him play this season, it's the only logical conclusion. Dude has to go. Simple as that. He's never going to be the guy that we thought he was. His pure basketball talent is off the charts. No question about that. Trading away a young big with those kind of rare talents, must seem the most ludicros thing imaginable. The thing is, with all that talent, it really doesn't matter because he's mush between the ears.

The body language and demeanor that he shows, is just bringing this team down in the dumps. People wonder why the refs are always on him. It's freaking obvious to me why they are on him. He's the most demonsterative player in the league, from a standpoint of complaining about the calls and shaking his head in disbelief. Whenever I get to go to the Kings game, and actually watch him in person, it's even more obvious.

When you watch the game on TV, they don't always have the cameras on cousins. When you go to the game live, and can actually watch the guy at all times, it's like his complaining or pouting about 95 percent of the time that he's on the court. Always shaking his head, always looking at the refs like they killed his dog.

I was at the Lakers game last Wednesday, and there was this one part of the game, where Cousins was coming out of the game, and two Lakers fans were heckling him as he walked towards the bench. He stopped and went over to where they were, and started shouting at them. Then he walked to the bench, and told a security guy about them. Then, he was on the bench, and kept looking over to where the two yahoos were.

All of this was going on at a certain point in the game, when the outcome of the game was still very undecided. Cousins, is just never going to be the leader that we need him to be. He's never going to be the player that we need him to be. I never would have thought that Greg Monroe would have actually been the better way to go. Everytime I see Monroe play, I shake my head like Cousins is always shaking his head.



BY THE WAY


While I do think that Cousins is a cancer that we must remove from our team, I'm not willing to let him go in ANY kind of a firesale whatsoever. We have to get LEGIT, top talent in return. So, obviously, we need to continue to give him big minutes, and try to do as much damage control as possible. We have to hope that he has some monster games, and that his trade value improves significantly. Everybody in the league knows how talented he is, but at the same time, his value has to be hurt right now because everybody also knows how much of a head case he is. We have to let time wash over some of these other GM's, let Cousins have some big games against their teams, and then hope that they have forgotten a bit about his transgressions, and then trade him. I can't believe I'm typing this, but it's the truth.
 
Kings Faithful

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You are over reacting. Cousins has some problems but he is still a kid and is already a good player with the potential to dominate at his position. Just like we waited for rekes jumper (may or may not be here, time will tell), we need to wait for cousins maturity.
 
Anthony1

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Kings Faithful said:
You are over reacting. Cousins has some problems but he is still a kid and is already a good player with the potential to dominate at his position. Just like we waited for rekes jumper (may or may not be here, time will tell), we need to wait for cousins maturity.
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It's so funny that you mention Reke, because in year 2 I was saying he's fools gold, and while he's a good defensive player, he ain't the guy everybody thought he was.

Sometimes it's best to cut bait early..
 
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Kings Faithful said:
You are over reacting. Cousins has some problems but he is still a kid and is already a good player with the potential to dominate at his position. Just like we waited for rekes jumper (may or may not be here, time will tell), we need to wait for cousins maturity.
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Yup, pretty much a very similar situation to Reke and his jumper. There will come a day when Cousins either has to show up more mature and ready to lead the team or we lose him, and he quite possibly blows up on another team.
 
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Anthony1 said:
It's so funny that you mention Reke, because in year 2 I was saying he's fools gold, and while he's a good defensive player, he ain't the guy everybody thought he was.

Sometimes it's best to cut bait early..
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So we get rid of Reke now, and we trade Cousins now. What does that leave our team with? MT as our best player? If anything Reke's improvement this season should show you the need for patience with talented players
 
Kings Faithful

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Anthony1 said:
It's so funny that you mention Reke, because in year 2 I was saying he's fools gold, and while he's a good defensive player, he ain't the guy everybody thought he was.

Sometimes it's best to cut bait early..
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He wasn't the guy everyone though he was, but that doesn't mean he still can't be. I've resisted putting him on a pedestal but if he can achieve that jumpshot we've been waiting for then I'm willing to keep him around. It looks like that might be happening but we'll have to wait and see.
 
Bricklayer

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Another fundamentally dumb proposal thread. You people need to learn to hold your water.


I especially like the part where we sneakily wait until Cousins quits acting up and starts having routine monster games...THEN we trade him. Brilliant.


To sum up: DeMarcus is the most talented player the Kings have drafted in 27 years in the city. He's probably the 2nd most talented player to ever put on a Kings jersey. So no, you don't trade him. If history is any guide 1/4 of this board may have passed on via natural causes before a franchise like the Kings has another talent of that level pass on through. So you suck it up, keep working with him, and wait on the potential. There is no other option but panicking and quitting.
 
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mac

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Sac.1989 said:
rubbish. We'll go as far as boogie takes us. We aint trading him and we aint even considering it. I wouldnt trade him for Howard
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Hmm ... interesting thought there though. I suppose it all depends how good Tyreke can become. Basically once you have an established star you only have so much time to put together a contending team. Still, I wouldn't trade Cousins unless he starts screwing up every other game on a regular basis. Nor would I offer him max money until he shows he can be a consistent player. It's been a bad start to the season for him, sadly.
 
Kingster

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Anthony1 said:
I know that 99.9 percent of you guys are going to think I'm a total dingleberry for suggesting such a notion, but Cousins has to go.


If you asked me a year ago if I'd be saying to trade away Cousins in a year, I would say that you're nuts. I would have never imagined that I'd think our team is better sans Cuz. However, after watching him play this season, it's the only logical conclusion. Dude has to go. Simple as that. He's never going to be the guy that we thought he was. His pure basketball talent is off the charts. No question about that. Trading away a young big with those kind of rare talents, must seem the most ludicros thing imaginable. The thing is, with all that talent, it really doesn't matter because he's mush between the ears.

The body language and demeanor that he shows, is just bringing this team down in the dumps. People wonder why the refs are always on him. It's freaking obvious to me why they are on him. He's the most demonsterative player in the league, from a standpoint of complaining about the calls and shaking his head in disbelief. Whenever I get to go to the Kings game, and actually watch him in person, it's even more obvious.

When you watch the game on TV, they don't always have the cameras on cousins. When you go to the game live, and can actually watch the guy at all times, it's like his complaining or pouting about 95 percent of the time that he's on the court. Always shaking his head, always looking at the refs like they killed his dog.

I was at the Lakers game last Wednesday, and there was this one part of the game, where Cousins was coming out of the game, and two Lakers fans were heckling him as he walked towards the bench. He stopped and went over to where they were, and started shouting at them. Then he walked to the bench, and told a security guy about them. Then, he was on the bench, and kept looking over to where the two yahoos were.

All of this was going on at a certain point in the game, when the outcome of the game was still very undecided. Cousins, is just never going to be the leader that we need him to be. He's never going to be the player that we need him to be. I never would have thought that Greg Monroe would have actually been the better way to go. Everytime I see Monroe play, I shake my head like Cousins is always shaking his head.



BY THE WAY


While I do think that Cousins is a cancer that we must remove from our team, I'm not willing to let him go in ANY kind of a firesale whatsoever. We have to get LEGIT, top talent in return. So, obviously, we need to continue to give him big minutes, and try to do as much damage control as possible. We have to hope that he has some monster games, and that his trade value improves significantly. Everybody in the league knows how talented he is, but at the same time, his value has to be hurt right now because everybody also knows how much of a head case he is. We have to let time wash over some of these other GM's, let Cousins have some big games against their teams, and then hope that they have forgotten a bit about his transgressions, and then trade him. I can't believe I'm typing this, but it's the truth.
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This observation just adds to the cause for concern. There's nobody, and mean nobody that knows whether Cousins is going to continue his antics, accelerate in his antics, or actually grow up. All we have to go on is past behavior. And this year's past behavior is certainly no better than last year's past behavior. So, to put it mildly, there is cause for concern. The question I have is: How long do you let it ride? How long are you willing to wait before you decide he's worth the huge investment, or he's not worth the huge investment? I don't know the answer to that question. Petrie rolled the dice with Cousins, and we still don't know if the gambe paid off. Hence, the worry.
 
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Kingster said:
This observation just adds to the cause for concern. There's nobody, and mean nobody that knows whether Cousins is going to continue his antics, accelerate in his antics, or actually grow up. All we have to go on is past behavior. And this year's past behavior is certainly no better than last year's past behavior. So, to put it mildly, there is cause for concern. The question I have is: How long do you let it ride? How long are you willing to wait before you decide he's worth the huge investment, or he's not worth the huge investment? I don't know the answer to that question. Petrie rolled the dice with Cousins, and we still don't know if the gambe paid off. Hence, the worry.
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We never get it easy do we? Our draft picks are either destined to be role players or potential all-stars with big question marks - Hawes' effort, Evans' jumpshot, Cuz's maturity, Jimmer's defense and ballhandling (I do think there's a slight possibility that Jimmer can one day be a very good player in the league. Maybe not all star level but one of the better guards. Small, but possible). And even our role players take some time to get adjusted, but the risk is much less than with guys like Evans and Cousins. We can't ever just get someone who can step in and have a pretty complete game overall.
 
Kingster

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mac said:
We never get it easy do we? Our draft picks are either destined to be role players or potential all-stars with big question marks - Hawes' effort, Evans' jumpshot, Cuz's maturity, Jimmer's defense and ballhandling (I do think there's a slight possibility that Jimmer can one day be a very good player in the league. Maybe not all star level but one of the better guards. Small, but possible). And even our role players take some time to get adjusted, but the risk is much less than with guys like Evans and Cousins. We can't ever just get someone who can step in and have a pretty complete game overall.
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That's for darned sure. A Kevin Durant would have been nice. Or a Westbrook. You have to be a tough SOB to be a Kings' fan these days.:D
 
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Darren

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Didn't read the whole thing but I do agree trading him while his value is high would be a smart move.





Keeping him would be the obvious Petrie (Maloof) move and we all know how that's been going. If we can get him for another proven start I would be all for it.
 
bajaden

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First, Cousins is one of the most talented big men to come along in a very long time. And when you draft, you draft for talent, not charm and good manners. If you get real lucky, you end up with Tim duncan who came with all three. However, I'd like to point out that Duncan was a four year player in college, so he was quite a bit more mature than Cousins when he arrived. Cousins is just 22 years old! Now I don't know about all you perfect people out there, but I was certainly no saint when I was 22 years old. I look back on myself then, and all I see is an idiot, which of course is what everyone else saw back then.

Guess what, I matured (some would argue that point), I got wiser, and became a different person over the years. The major difference is, that I didn't have to do it under the glare of NBA arena lights. When I screwed up, its wasn't the lead on ESPN Sportcenter. From a PR point of view, its not very easy being Cousins. He has the spotlight turned on him, and he lacks the experience and maturity to deal with it properly. So he makes mistakes. And, like most intelligent people, and I do think he's intelligent, he'll learn from those mistakes. What we don't do, is throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I came up through the school of hard knocks, so I admit that I probably have a different outlook than some others that grew up in a normal household with a mother and father. Those that got constant reinforcement from their parents. I had none of that! Most of the time I was told I wouldn't amount to anything. I didn't have a mother or a father. And thats as far as I'll go with that. My point is, because of my childhood, I see thing differently than many others. I know what its like to be on the recieving end of negative comments all the time. And when your there, you have two choices. Just give up and become what everyone thinks your going to become, or fight like hell to prove them wrong. I chose the latter.

The problem is, that when you make the choice I made, you develop an attitude along with that choice, and while its an attitude that helps you survive, it also rubs people the wrong way at times. You have a tendecy to trust no one, and believe no one, except for a chosen few. It takes time to overcome all of that, and I think thats where Cousins is right now. He only trusts a chosen few, and that the rest of the world doesn't understand him, and for the most part is against him. Of course he's wrong! But he doesn't know that yet, and he'll learn.

What you don't do, is trade him! He's just too talented to give up on. The Kings knew going in that he was going to be a handful, and they still decided to draft him. So you stick to your plan, and just swallow hard when something like what happened, happens. There's a point in every persons life, where lights start to turn on. Where reason and understanding start to overrule emotion. Unfortunately, it all comes from makiing mistakes, and learning from those mistakes. Some skulls are thicker than others. Mine certainly was. Eventually though, I discovered that the wall I was beating my head against was much harder than my head. Sometimes, unless your a boxer, being able to take a punch isn't a good thing.
 
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bajaden said:
Guess what, I matured (some would argue that point), I got wiser, and became a different person over the years. The major difference is, that I didn't have to do it under the glare of NBA arena lights. When I screwed up, its wasn't the lead on ESPN Sportcenter. From a PR point of view, its not very easy being Cousins. He has the spotlight turned on him, and he lacks the experience and maturity to deal with it properly. So he makes mistakes. And, like most intelligent people, and I do think he's intelligent, he'll learn from those mistakes. What we don't do, is throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Did they even have radio when you were 22? :D

Some of the biggest complainers in the NBA Jordan, Bird, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Barkley, Payton. Seems there is a common trend for all but one on the list.
 
VF21

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Darren said:
Didn't read the whole thing but I do agree trading him while his value is high would be a smart move.





Keeping him would be the obvious Petrie (Maloof) move and we all know how that's been going. If we can get him for another proven start I would be all for it.
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This is a case where you really should have read the whole thing before commenting. If you had, you'd realize the lunacy of the "trading him while his value is high" part...
 
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VF21 said:
This is a case where you really should have read the whole thing before commenting. If you had, you'd realize the lunacy of the "trading him while his value is high" part...
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It's his style. He was saying the same thing about Tyreke last season and throughout the offseason - play him more at PG so that he puts up better stats and is more productive so that we can trade him.
 
VF21

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So basically if a player improves and starts to do exactly what we need him to do we should trade him? Check...
 
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