Stojakovic
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and boy , Marko Jaric would be a great addition to our roster. Not the greatest shot in the world, but contests every single shot, has very very fast hands, steals the ball A LOT and knows how to involve others.
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sloter
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Well, Claxton lit him the other day pretty badly so I guess he knows better to contest his shot now. His on the ball defense is actually not that great (a little too slow because of his size), but his help, passing lane and pick and roll defense is as good as it can get.
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HndsmCelt
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I have seen potnetial in Marco ever since watching play for the Serb national team. If the Kings look to loose Bobby to free agency this summer he might not be a bad option. Some of DC's defense and ableto paly the point. Might make Pedja happier too.
PS he is a ball stealing fool! Has 4 today and is averaging 2 1/2 a game!
PS he is a ball stealing fool! Has 4 today and is averaging 2 1/2 a game!
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yeah, the clips are my home team.... they are doing it big this season.... their reserves really stepped up.... wilcox and simmons are playing really well, if they hadnt lost richardson or maybe odom.... they would be serious playoff contenders right now.
Stojakovic
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I think losing Richardson was the best thing to happen to the Clippers in a lonnnng time.
That guy's ball IQ is in the negatives. I've never seen someone take worse shots than he does.
That guy's ball IQ is in the negatives. I've never seen someone take worse shots than he does.
coughjasonwilliamscough
Bricklayer
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The Jaric idea would be really as a replacement Doug. He's not a good enough shooter to really fill any of our other niches. But our remarkable passing offense is fueled by our non-PGs. We have the best passing OG/PF/C trio in the league, and have ever since Doug arrived in town.
When Doug goes, and its going to be soon (he may either retire, or jsut fade away into limited minutes), if we're going to run the same system we're going to need an OG that provides two things -- defense and passing. As a tall/long PG, Jaric at least conceivably could be that guy, although the truth is that he's nowhere near Doug as an overall defender (he gets steals, but doesn't routinely lock guys down -- might help him to move to Og where he doesn't have to guard 5'11" guys) and may not even be as efficent a passer (needs the ball in his hands for longer periods of time to get his assists). But anyway, a tall PG might be the answer for us on how to find an OG who can average 5 asts the way Doug can.
When Doug goes, and its going to be soon (he may either retire, or jsut fade away into limited minutes), if we're going to run the same system we're going to need an OG that provides two things -- defense and passing. As a tall/long PG, Jaric at least conceivably could be that guy, although the truth is that he's nowhere near Doug as an overall defender (he gets steals, but doesn't routinely lock guys down -- might help him to move to Og where he doesn't have to guard 5'11" guys) and may not even be as efficent a passer (needs the ball in his hands for longer periods of time to get his assists). But anyway, a tall PG might be the answer for us on how to find an OG who can average 5 asts the way Doug can.
sloter
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A 6'7 point guard is hard not to notice.HndsmCelt said:
And besides letting go of Richardson, I think the best thing that happened to the Clippers was resigning Brand. Without him Clippers wouldn't win more than 15-20 games.
As for Pedja being happy or not, even though he knows Jaric since they were both very young (played for Red Star Belgrade until they both got kicked out), I don't think that would have a whole lot of influence on whether Pedja stays in Sacramento or not. I think he pretty much made up his mind already.
Also, Brick, I would argue that Jaric is as good of defender as Christie if not better. I don't know if you watched the Nets game, but he guarded Jefferson on a couple of occasions and Jefferson could not even post on him, he took and missed a bad fadeaway and got blocked on another possession. Jaric also plays smarter defense and disrupts other players besides his own and does not make some of those silly fouls that Doug does.
And no, he does not need ball in his hands much. If you watch the way the Clippers offense runs he usually gets it off to someone else early. His assists are mostly off of dribble penetrations.
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piksi
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I like Marko since 7 pts in the last 3 min against USA in Indianapolis. He would be an interestiong option in case that we need replacements for some players which will leave soon.
It has nothing to do with Pedja being happy or not. I could not care less. This is not a Disneyland. Pedja's stayng in SAC will only depend on money. If he gets a max he will stay if not he will leave. So far he is improving and "talking" stopped. Winning takes care of many things. Money takes care of the rest. He is "avoided" by Bibby as of late but he needs to be a man and say something in the lockerroom.
It has nothing to do with Pedja being happy or not. I could not care less. This is not a Disneyland. Pedja's stayng in SAC will only depend on money. If he gets a max he will stay if not he will leave. So far he is improving and "talking" stopped. Winning takes care of many things. Money takes care of the rest. He is "avoided" by Bibby as of late but he needs to be a man and say something in the lockerroom.
Bricklayer
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i think the people who vote for the All-Defensive teams would be a bit shocked to learn that Marko Jaric is a better defender than Doug.sloter said:
But in any case, he's playing better this year so far. Been a bit of a disappointment so far in the NBA. Maybe its been injuries, or just not quick enough to stay with NBA PGs. Might be a better fit as an OG for a team that doesn't ask for offense from that position.
sloter
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Ginobilli is better defender than Doug as well and he wasn't voted in best defensive team either. Doug is defensive specialist (also in the sense that he does nothing on offense), so his defense is the only thing that gets noticed and that's where he spends most of his energy.Bricklayer said:
And Jaric is not playing that much better, slightly, but not much. He's a team player and his stats often don't show what he does, and he does not depend on hogging the ball to be productive. I'd have him on my team any day.
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sneezewalkersneezeMr. S£im Citrus said:
Bricklayer
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Marko has been a terrible shooter ever since crossing the pond. This year he's finally hitting some shots. Assists are up. Steals are up. Not going to win Most Improved Player, but maybe he's finally settling in.sloter said:
And no, Ginobilli isn't a better defender either. He's disruptive. And I love that part of his game. But he also doens't lock people down. Just scrambling and creating havoc is nice. But he doesn't consistently get in somebody's shorts and lock them up. And that's with a big shotblocking backline in support.
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KingKong
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Is this a possible scenario???
Sacramento trades: SF Peja Stojakovic(20.0 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 40.0 minutes) PG Bobby Jackson(10.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.9 apg in 21.6 minutes)
Sacramento receives: SF Corey Maggette(18.5 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 3.5 apg in 35.2 minutes) PG Marko Jaric(11.8 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 5.4 apg in 33.8 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -0.3 ppg, +1.1 rpg, and +5.1 apg.
L.A. Clippers trades: SF Corey Maggette(18.5 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 3.5 apg in 35.2 minutes) PG Marko Jaric(11.8 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 5.4 apg in 33.8 minutes) L.A.
Clippers receives: SF Peja Stojakovic(20.0 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 40.0 minutes) PG Bobby Jackson(10.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.9 apg in 21.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +0.3 ppg, -1.1 rpg, and -5.1 apg.
Sacramento trades: SF Peja Stojakovic(20.0 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 40.0 minutes) PG Bobby Jackson(10.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.9 apg in 21.6 minutes)
Sacramento receives: SF Corey Maggette(18.5 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 3.5 apg in 35.2 minutes) PG Marko Jaric(11.8 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 5.4 apg in 33.8 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -0.3 ppg, +1.1 rpg, and +5.1 apg.
L.A. Clippers trades: SF Corey Maggette(18.5 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 3.5 apg in 35.2 minutes) PG Marko Jaric(11.8 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 5.4 apg in 33.8 minutes) L.A.
Clippers receives: SF Peja Stojakovic(20.0 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 40.0 minutes) PG Bobby Jackson(10.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.9 apg in 21.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +0.3 ppg, -1.1 rpg, and -5.1 apg.
TRADE ACCEPTED
I can honestly say that it's not the worst trade proposal I've ever heard...
Bricklayer
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I'M not at all sure that makes us better. Pretty sure it doesn't actually. 
Here's the thing -- Jaric is not a scorer. Our bench would be utterly barren of anybody who could consistently put up even 8pts in their 20-25min.
Here's the thing -- Jaric is not a scorer. Our bench would be utterly barren of anybody who could consistently put up even 8pts in their 20-25min.
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In the short-term, it's a lateral move at best. In the long-term, we get to remain competitive at the SG position, but lose our spark off the bench, unless Martin develops the way we want him to quickly.
Magette is not really undersized for the SF position (contrary to what popular opinion may be on this site, 6'10" is not the "average" size for an NBA SF), and at 6'6" averages about as many rebounds as Stojakovic does right now. They are essentially equal as defenders, although Stojakovic is showing improvement, and Pedja is a better shooter... but, at least Maggette can hit a layup...
Magette is not really undersized for the SF position (contrary to what popular opinion may be on this site, 6'10" is not the "average" size for an NBA SF), and at 6'6" averages about as many rebounds as Stojakovic does right now. They are essentially equal as defenders, although Stojakovic is showing improvement, and Pedja is a better shooter... but, at least Maggette can hit a layup...
KingKong
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Our starting lineup would improve signicantly if you ask me. Obviously we will lose out in shooting, but anytime you trade away a Peja Stojakovic that will be a consequence but we gain a tough SF that can create his own shot, grab rebounds, is an above average passer, and not to mention is clutch. And anytime you lose Bobby Jackson you are going to lose out on energy, toughness and defense, but Bobby is getting up there in age and will want to start somewhere next year. Jaric won't be able to fill his shoes, but might bring some positives with his playmaking for our second unit.
Bricklayer
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Corey Maggette is NOT better than Peja Stojakovic. Sorry.
I think that if you were going to make an argument in defense of that trade, you do it more for Jaric than Maggette. Personally, I think that if you're capable of believing that Jaric would be able to relieve Christie effectively at the SG position, then you're probably willing to accept the slightly lesser player at SF in Maggette. I mean, sure Stojakovic is better, but it's not like he's head and shoulders above him.
Bricklayer
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Eveytime anybody suggests that we trade Peja for anybody you throw that out. That's ridiculous. Peja is fairly replaceable by any star level SF. Particularly when he's averaging 3.9rebs. Doesn't mean I think they are all good ideas, but the team is hardly going to fall apart because we replace one 20ppg scorer with another*.sloter said:
*Unless said 20 pt scorer is a guy who needs to have the ball in his hands all the time to generate his offense.
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If you're referring to Maggette, I disagree; it's not like he's on a team where there's any kind of significant player. I mean, who else is going to set him up?Bricklayer said:
Bricklayer
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I'm not really sure about the toughness there. He's an excellent athlete, and I like his driving athletic offensive game. But he's not a very good rebounder himself, has never been a great defender, gets very few steals, and gets nicked up easily and misses a lot of games every year.KingKong said:
I guess I'm not objecting to the idea that replacing Peja with a tougher, more athletic player might not be a potential fix for some of our problems. Just have doubts whether a blown up OG who's never really had any impact at all on his team's W/L is the guy or not.
Bricklayer
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Was not referring to Maggette in particular. Just stating that that would be a problem and force us to restructure our entire offense and could actually seriosuly disrupt us.Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Yeah, but where do we get one of those? There are only about five that play SF in the whole league, and I can only think of one that we'd have a shot at. Hell, we let one of them walk for free last summer...Bricklayer said:
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