Watching the Clips...
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I've watched almost every Bobcats game this season and, if nothing else, I can say confidently that that was an isolated incident. Wallace might not have been tougher last season, but he's tougher right now. As far as his athleticism, there's no "maybe" about it; Wallace is absolutely more athletic.
I agree with everything you've said except this part. It is much easier to get assists when you have Mike Bibby, Peja and Bobby J on your team. The Clippers are not exactly loaded with jumpshooters. In fact, most of the time Jaric gets an assist is when he sets up somebody 2 feet in front of a basket for a dunk...much harder than handing the ball to Peja, Mike or Bobby (heck even Brad or Webb, who jack up a lot of midrange jumpers themselves) for a jumper.
To an extent that might be true. But Simmons has been shooting well and from what I saw against Golden State yesterday Jaric was setting up guys for assists off pick and rolls, open jumpers, and baskets underneath. He did a nice job creating a little space or drawing the help defender and hitting the open man for the jumper more often than not. If Simmons keeps shooting well and Maggette doesn't take 3-4 prepatory dribbles even when being wide open, Jaric's assists could go up and the Clippers crisp ball movement thus far this season could a defining characteristic of their team.
The Clippers are actually an excellent passing team this season. Aside from Maggette and at times Brand, guys are taking the open shot instead of trying to post up all the time (like Q, Magz, Brand all did last season at the same time nonethless). Who knows if it will remain?
As for the Kings, everyone can atleast pass and many can shoot as well. Makes it easy to pickup a lot of team assists. but obviously no one monopolizes them. They all make it easy for each other that way. Excellent team offensive talent.
The Clippers are actually an excellent passing team this season. Aside from Maggette and at times Brand, guys are taking the open shot instead of trying to post up all the time (like Q, Magz, Brand all did last season at the same time nonethless). Who knows if it will remain?
As for the Kings, everyone can atleast pass and many can shoot as well. Makes it easy to pickup a lot of team assists. but obviously no one monopolizes them. They all make it easy for each other that way. Excellent team offensive talent.
If he is tougher this year, perhaps it's because he learned a very valuable lesson from NOT being tough when his team needed him the most.
I wish him well. I think he's in the right spot ... for him. He wasn't going to get the chance to shine here behind Pedja that he's getting there in Charlotte. So, in this case, it was the best possible thing that could happen for him to be put up for the expansion draft. And, all things considered, I think Matt Barnes will end up being much better for us in the long run than Gerald would have been.
I wish him well. I think he's in the right spot ... for him. He wasn't going to get the chance to shine here behind Pedja that he's getting there in Charlotte. So, in this case, it was the best possible thing that could happen for him to be put up for the expansion draft. And, all things considered, I think Matt Barnes will end up being much better for us in the long run than Gerald would have been.
I was thinking more along the lines of the tougher SF we let go the summer before. I'd take Jim Jackson over Wallace, Jaric, Barnes, Martin, Peeler, or whoever else is being thrown around in this argument as a solution to our toughness at the swingman position problem.
The only drawback is though, he isn't much younger then Doug. But at least we'd be set for 2-3 more seasons.
The only drawback is though, he isn't much younger then Doug. But at least we'd be set for 2-3 more seasons.
People seem to forget that Jim Jackson was not even that good when he played for us. Sure...he was tough, he could play the post and was a pain as a matchup for the opposition. BUT ... even this year, this guy is playing 41 minutes a game (!!!) and is averaging 13.2 points and 4.7 rebounds, along with just 1 steal a game. That is not what I would want out of my starting 2 guard.
The only reason people seem to constantly bring Jim Jackson's name back on this board is because of his last game with the Kings, where he was nearly perfect...not to mention that we played the softest team in the leauge at the time.
The only reason people seem to constantly bring Jim Jackson's name back on this board is because of his last game with the Kings, where he was nearly perfect...not to mention that we played the softest team in the leauge at the time.
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Sorry, Stojakovic, but I disagree about why people mention Jim Jackson.
I know why I will always regret losing him: He gave his all every night. He had hustle, enthusiasm, and desire. He would go to the floor for a loose ball; he didn't back away from rebounds; he had a fire for the game you don't see very often.
It isn't about his last game as a King. It's about ALL his games as a King. I hated the decision to let him go in favor of Wallace when it happened. I hate it now. He AND Bobby coming off the bench would have been GREAT many more times than it wouldn't have been.
I know why I will always regret losing him: He gave his all every night. He had hustle, enthusiasm, and desire. He would go to the floor for a loose ball; he didn't back away from rebounds; he had a fire for the game you don't see very often.
It isn't about his last game as a King. It's about ALL his games as a King. I hated the decision to let him go in favor of Wallace when it happened. I hate it now. He AND Bobby coming off the bench would have been GREAT many more times than it wouldn't have been.
I regret losing him too, because I thought he was very good off the bench. Just like Bobby J, he brought the type of intensity off the bench that the Kings needed ... when things were not going very well for us, Bobby and he would be there to re-energize the team. However...to suggest him as a replacement for Doug Christie is another thing. Jim Jackson should not be a starter at the 2 guard for an elite team. As intense as he plays the game, his effectiveness is limited when playing big minutes. He has great games every now and then as a starter, but mostly its the average performance that you'll get out of Jimmy. Good (sometimes very good) player to have off the bench, but at this point in his career not much more.
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When have the Clippers ever had a crucial game? 
Last 4 gms of 1979 season (4-0 meant playoffs, they finished 2-2)
Gm5 1st round, 1992: Clippers 89 @ Jazz 98 (eliminated)
Gm4 1st round, 1993: Rockets 90 @ Clippers 93 (staved off elimination)
Gm5 1st round, 1993: Clippers 83 @ Rockets 88 (eliminated)
Gm3 1st round, 1997: Jazz 104 @ Clippers 92 (eliminated)
I think that Jaric would be a good fit for the Kings, but with Bibby alreadly the PG ? Jaric would have to move the the SG position. He is putting up some good stats this year, i expected Marko to play this way since he came in the NBA, but it has taken him a while to get used to the game. Jaric is certainly a class player, I remember watching him play for Bologna in Italy, he was the MVP of the Final Four that year i think ? .. but ye .. he has shown that he can play. Jaric also averages a double double a game, which is impressive, and he ranks 3 overall in steals.
Jarics averages over the last 3 seasons ..
REBOUNDS PER GAME
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
02-03 LAC 66 12 20.9 .401 .319 .752 .50 1.90 2.40 2.9 1.47 .17 1.56 1.90 7.4
03-04 LAC 58 50 30.3 .388 .340 .733 .80 2.30 3.00 4.8 1.60 .34 1.98 2.30 8.5
04-05 LAC 15 15 34.7 .430 .438 .791 .30 3.20 3.50 6.1 2.20 .40 2.07 2.30 12.3
You can see that over the past 2-3 seasons, Jaric has improved in almost every aspect, rebounding, assists, steals and scoring, he is steadily making an impact on the NBA, like the one he had in Europe.
Jarics averages over the last 3 seasons ..
REBOUNDS PER GAME
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
02-03 LAC 66 12 20.9 .401 .319 .752 .50 1.90 2.40 2.9 1.47 .17 1.56 1.90 7.4
03-04 LAC 58 50 30.3 .388 .340 .733 .80 2.30 3.00 4.8 1.60 .34 1.98 2.30 8.5
04-05 LAC 15 15 34.7 .430 .438 .791 .30 3.20 3.50 6.1 2.20 .40 2.07 2.30 12.3
You can see that over the past 2-3 seasons, Jaric has improved in almost every aspect, rebounding, assists, steals and scoring, he is steadily making an impact on the NBA, like the one he had in Europe.
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