The first and second parts of your post do not match up.
Yes, part of the problem with this season was the disconnect between management and Karl, and Karl and this group of players.
The solution is not, therefore, to infiltrate this discordant piece permanently into the power structure. His vision does not fit management's or the players. The solution to that is explusion of the splinter. Not worming it further in.
P.S. I do agree with The Jamal that this might be the "honorable" way to can the old ball coach. But in the end he needs to be sidelined, not empowered as I am sure Ailene would like. Something ceremonial.
What's interesting is that a lot of the criticism from Karl has been coming from folks like Christie, Jackson, even Kayte on the radio Wednesday night... people with very close ties to the team.
What did Kayte say?
"Hey you know the guy that all the current players despise? Let's give him a nice spot in our front office. Surely that will work well."
Voisin is desperate. She put her eggs in the Karl basket, and when he's out she's likely out as well in terms of insider access.
I understand why everyone is against it. Though I understand why you would keep him also.
The only way that this works is if Vlade makes Karl an "International Scout". Karl would be away from the team 90% of the time to scout and just relax. I mean, I know Karl won't really be traveling a lot to scout considering his healthy. But it's either fire him and pay him in full for nothing or pay him and give him a title that makes it less harsh publicly and Karl may do a little bit of work.
If Karl only comes back once in a long while to report to Vlade, I can see Boogie being ok and even friendly with Karl. Any position where Karl actually stays around consistently will be a disaster though.
Unless we can put him on the ship with The Most Interesting Man in the World to scout players on Mars, I'm not interested.I understand why everyone is against it. Though I understand why you would keep him also.
The only way that this works is if Vlade makes Karl an "International Scout". Karl would be away from the team 90% of the time to scout and just relax. I mean, I know Karl won't really be traveling a lot to scout considering his healthy. But it's either fire him and pay him in full for nothing or pay him and give him a title that makes it less harsh publicly and Karl may do a little bit of work.
I understand why everyone is against it. Though I understand why you would keep him also.
The only way that this works is if Vlade makes Karl an "International Scout". Karl would be away from the team 90% of the time to scout and just relax. I mean, I know Karl won't really be traveling a lot to scout considering his healthy. But it's either fire him and pay him in full for nothing or pay him and give him a title that makes it less harsh publicly and Karl may do a little bit of work.
If Karl only comes back once in a long while to report to Vlade, I can see Boogie being ok and even friendly with Karl. Any position where Karl actually stays around consistently will be a disaster though.
You do not reward failure. And George Karl has failed. I'd rather pay him for nothing than allow him to remain with the organization in any capacity.
I will back up Mr. Citrus because 1) he's right and 2) he scares the crud out of me.I dare you to find any NBA coach who's willing to say something bad about another NBA coach. Praise from another coach isn't worth anything, because you can't get an NBA coach to say something bad about another coach. You can't even get other coaches to say something critical about Derek Fisher, you think it means something that they won't criticize George Karl? What do other active players have to say about him?
I'm not seeing this "elite reputation." Karl's reputation appears to be making players sick of him.
Not trying to reward him. It's mainly to cut ties with him without having to announce that he was FIRED. He can be away 100% of the time if he wants. It shows some level of goodwill from the organization and may go a long way for prospective coaches considering us.
It's clear that a good amount of coaches around the league are on Karl's side and firing him will be another symbol that we blamed everything on the coach to protect the wild child Cousins. While that may not be true, it's what it's going to look like. Offer him a job where he stays away. If he declines, at least we tried to keep things cordial and end things on a good note.
I don't see a future of success with Karl and once he is gone from here no one else in the League will either. This will be his last coaching stop and that will speak volumes. Get him out and long may he not linger.
Sacramento owes nothing to this clown, fire his ass yesterday!
Wouldn't you leave this decision to our current problem solver - Vlade? He deserves all the latitude he needs to solve our current problems.
Thisis precisely it. Once Karl is shown the door, she has no other inside sources. The front office doesn't like her. The players don't like her. The ownership group doesn't like her. Once Karl is out, she has no sources inside the organization so she goes back to taking pot shots from the distance circiling the pack."Hey you know the guy that all the current players despise? Let's give him a nice spot in our front office. Surely that will work well."
Voisin is desperate. She put her eggs in the Karl basket, and when he's out she's likely out as well in terms of insider access.
Please read my earlier postsYou know what I see when I look at his coaching record? First round and out, first round and out, first round and out.
Have we been to the playoffs in a decade? No. Do I think that Cousins is the kind of player that we need to keep no matter what? No. But, would I trade Cousins to appease Karl? Not only no, but hell no. I've been very consistent about my stance on this: I don't really like Cousins, but I'm not getting rid of him for George ****ing Karl. **** that guy.
I'm not in favor of any proposal that involves keeping Karl, whether we keep Cousins or not.
Please read my earlier posts
Karl has done enough to be fired. This is true. Have we given him enough of a chance? No. Would it be foolish to let a guy with a Hall of Fame resume walk? Yes. You talk about first round losses, like we are in a position to bargain. How many coaches coach for 1 decade, in 2 decades, in 3 decades, in 4 decades. How many coaches make the playoffs once, twice, five times, ten times, twenty two times? How many coaches make it to the NBA finals? Multiple conference finals? These are the questions you should be asking yourself. His value is right in front of your eyes and you willingly choose to ignore it. He's every bit as good as Rick Adelman, the Sacramento King favorite. Every bit as good.
This isn't about Demarcus v George as it is more about who is expendable. They both are. But only one of them has gotten time to prove their worth to the franchise. And it has been nothing but losing season after losing season, unprofessionalism after unprofessionalism. We know who Demarcus is by now. We know his story. It's just not going to work. We gave an immature cancer career loser so many chances... But we're not giving a Hall of fame coach with a resume to match a second chance? Ridiculous. That's not smart basketball.
Sorry, but I do not buy into any of your assumptions.
He will be fired. Calling it anything else doesn't change the facts. To think the league will view it differently is naive at best.
We do not know how many coaches are on Karl's side for the simple reason, as others have stated, that coaches don't talk about other coaches.
Offer him a job where he stays away? Bullcrap. Keep things cordial and end on a good note? Why start now? When you FIRE an employee, you don't expect it to be cordial. You expect it to be final.
then you can consider Cousins as good as GONE. whether he wanted out or not, Karl would do everything possible to get him the hell outta town. Who the hell cares about the coaching carousel headline, when the next possible headline is "Cousins on the move to blah blah for flexible pieces"Actually makes some semblance of sense.
Think of this as a PR move to keep elite coaches on the table to want to come here. "Kings assign Karl as VP of blah blah operations" sounds hell of a lot smoother than "Coaching Carousel continues in Sacramento as Kings fire HoF George Karl".
Like it or not Karl IS one of the most respected figures in the league and he does know everybody. I just don't see how any coach worth a damn commits to Sacramento after we kick Karl out after one year. This may be a way to circumvent that.
The position of GM isn't an on-the-job-training position. We can't afford to have a GM who is flying by the seat of his pants, learning a job that could take years to master. Vlade is in over his head.